A Gezunten Zumer
Beautiful weather over yom tov in the Lakewood area, YT concluded with a Neelas Hachag at BMG that continues late after the zman with people driving over after Yom Tov to join.
White House and GOP reach tentative debt ceiling deal
- Reb Gershon Edelshtein Shlita, was hospitalized on Shavuos night after having trouble breathing. B”H his condition improved overnight but doctors have decided to keep him in the hospital for further observation. Please Daven for Yerachmiel Gershon ben Miriam.
Over 100,000 visit the kosel over shavuos including 14000 who davened kevasikin on shavuos morning.
- Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch shlita was back at yeshiva after recovering from treatments and asked everyone to daven for Rav Gershon Edelstein
Heavy traffic along the jersey shore towns as thousands flock to the area for memorial day weekend
Ron DeSantis says as president he will scrap the Trump Era prison reform bill known as the first step act. He called it a jail break as people were let out of prison early and went on to re- offend. Askanim were behind the legislation which helped free Frum Yidden who had long jail sentences.
Boggles my mind how people can both be up in arms about bail reform in New York allowing offenders back onto the streets and also against DeSantis coming out against (what he actually said) "letting unrehabilitated offenders out so they can hurt more people" at the same time.
ReplyDeleteThis is clearly misinformation. The legislation was meant to adjust criminal sentences in a more fair way. 20 years for a minor white collar crime does not make sense. Bail reform is letting violent criminals roam the streets freely. Stop listening to what the politicians are saying and actually understand the underlying concepts.
DeleteI wonder what Rav Avigdor Miller would say about letting offenders out who, to quote DeSantis, "have not been rehabilitated."
DeleteVery clear " Let Them sit"
DeleteHe was referring to Jewish white collar
I don't think Rabbi Miller was aware of the words of the Chazon Ish in Hilchos Shabbos regarding punishing the Arab rioters. 'Let them sit' was not the Yiddishe Hashkafa, except when it is nogei'a to a מזיק את הרבים. A person who does what everyone else does, and everyone continues doing it, has not been helped or helped others by sitting in jail.
Delete'everyone'!?
DeleteSo that's where we were holding.
Kol sh'cain
Funny. When it comes to a child molester, who is a מזיק את הרבים, nobody will support locking them up. But when it comes to white collar crime, where incarceration does not serve as a deterrent, people are happy to say 'lock him up'.
Deleteדעת בעלי בתים
You're joking
DeleteIf he is active of course lock him up
"Askanim were behind the legislation which helped free Frum Yidden who had long jail sentences"
ReplyDeleteSo they will have to use a bit more of their connections to free guilty buddies.nebach.
All the revolving door criminals in the big cities will be kept in jail
Askanim were behind the legislation which helped free Frum Yidden who had long jail sentences. To be clear they were askonim for the exclusive benefit of criminals. Not their victims. Even though they there far far more frum people who are victims of crimes than guilty of them.
ReplyDeleteYou are buying into the American Christian belief that the 'victims' somehow gain from the pain inflicted on the perpetrator. It is wrong and not based on Torah.
DeleteThe 'victims' of a Ponzi scheme are in no better shape if the perpetrator is in jail for 100 years. The 'victims' of a home invasion are not 'cured' if the burglar has the book thrown at him. Vindictiveness has no place in the legal system.
Wrong.
DeleteThough most orthodox Jews blithely ignore- even when they mouth a bit of lip service - & prefer the secular present style,Judaism has a better system of punishment
Nevertheless that the guilty must appear to the public to suffer firm consequences is a significant factor (vindictiveness in your terminology )
You are buying into the American Christian belief This and "stop being brainwashed by right wing talk radio " are favorite ways of those who are looking to manipulate and guilt trip you into agreeing with them without giving good reasons. If those who made Ponzi schemes ended up in jail for 100 years a lot less people would try them so there would be a lot less victims of them to begin with. To use your line of convincing. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
DeleteRav Shlomo Lorincz writes in Bemechitszom that he was told by the Steipler not to help frum people convicted of fraud get off.
DeleteNobody is saying that fraudsters or murderers should 'get off'. The issue is incarceration, particularly long-term incarceration.
DeleteVindictive punishment is not a healthy thing for a society.
Anon:11:04 - you are 100% right. People should buy into the American Christian belief, and they should allow themselves to be brainwashed by right wing talk radio.
DeleteOnly an idiot would believe otherwise.
"Vindictive punishment is not a healthy thing for a society." That is true but long term jail (U'Bgehenom Yashlim...) for those guilty of crimes usually is not vindictive. It acts as a wonderful deterrent for those who have no fear of the next world and need to see punishment in this one to keep them away from crime.
DeleteAnon:12:35 No one said that. Even you know that You already demonstrated that you try to use manipulation because you can't intelligently defend your liberal beliefs. No need to do so again
DeletePeople are confusing three separate things.
ReplyDelete1. Bail Reform - In the past, if a person was merely suspected of a crime, he could be arrested and not released without cash bail. A poor person would have to stay in jail until trial. That means they have lost their job, been mistreated by other prisoners, and learned all kinds of unsavory lessons in jail. Even if he was found innocent, he is now on the path of a life a crime, totally blamelessly. Ending cash bail for non-violent offenders meant that crime will come down in the future.
2. Bail Reform for habitual offenders - The downside of this bail reform was that habitual offenders were returned to the streets. These people were better off inside, and although there is no evidence linking cash bail reform to high crime rates—and a plethora of evidence to the contrary—cash bail reform has become an easy target for politicians looking to demonstrate they are taking action to address violent crime.
3. First Step Act - this was a law regarding convicted offenders. The courts established that these people had committed the crime. However, the sentencing guidelines had skewed their punishment and severely punished relatively minor infractions for first-time offenders. Additionally, the severe penalties did not make sense for society. When a person commits a crime for financial gain, it makes sense to punish him financially severely enough that everyone else will think twice before committing the crime. The loss will be much greater than the gain. But incarceration helps nobody, especially long-term confinement. The system was broken, and askanim realized how many Yidden were suffering from the consequences of these Sedom laws. DeSantis' position would mean that our own brethren would suffer much more, for no discernible reason.
Three separate issues.
Interesting. Another example of how our community talks the politically conservative talk but doesn't always walk the politically conservative walk when we benefit from the liberal ideas (i.e. govt. programs.)
DeleteWhat's in it for you to always kvetch about how our community votes the politically conservative viewpoints. Are you against the Gedolim like Rav Avigdor Miller? Why are you so bitter?
DeleteVindictiveness would be a very good thing
DeleteWhite collar crime convicts assume, worst comes to worst, they sit awhile & soon get back to their station in community managing to smugly absolve themselves.
Yet they arguably have wrecked more lives than hard blue collar crime.
If a person enters a business deal that could bring him $100 million, but if he is caught, will cause him to lose $500 million, he is less likely to do it. He will make a cost/benefit analysis and decide it is not worth it.
DeleteHowever, the threat of incarceration is not the same. He makes the cheshbon that he won't get caught, because it is not in his mind's view.
Even the most liberal pro crime , pro criminal, anti jail places in America warn about jail time for crimes when it comes to crime they want to prevent because they know how much of a deterrent that threat is.
DeleteIn the two years after NYC raised the age of jail sentencing from 16 to 18, violent crimes committed by people between 16 and 18 soared between 50 to 80 percent, depending on the category.
DeleteLargely false.
DeleteAllen Pinkerton, founder of the famous detective agency, stated before he died the mistake that was being made as the final states abolished the last forms of corporal punishment such as caning.
For those who commit white or blue collar crimes ,he declared, even the threat of lengthy jail terms prove invariably to be a poor deterrence (they always assume they will manage to get out earlier,etc.,etc.)
While a couple of benighted prompt strikes to the body have proved far more effective
Correction .
DeleteSon & successor to the founder Allen