It has been a little over two years since the formation of the Eretz Hakodesh slate joining the WZO world zioninst organization. At the time leading up to the elections they were targeting frum jews in the diaspora to sign up and vote, much convincing was needed. Eretz Hakodesh was formed with much controversy bucking a status quo bv all previous gedolim who held that one is not allowed to go ahead and join or participate in the world jewish congress.
The organizers said that it is a שעת השמד which calls for a time to break the long forbidden rule of התחברות לרשעים due to the threats coming from the reform movement on issues of yahadus such as giyur, kashrus and the kosel.
They promised that getting funding alone did not justify joining the WZO, neither making daily announcements about covid laws which had not even begone when it was formed
Fast forward 2 years and Eretz Hakodesh can not take credit for accomplishing the very reason that justified their founding. As a matter of fact the current Israeli govt in the knesset is closer than ever to pass reforms on Giyur the kosel and all issues pertaining to the status quo of halacha. More so, the premise that stopping the funding from the reform will make a difference has proven to be wrong. No money in the world could stop Meretz, or yair Lapid from enacting their changes to satisfy their political base of רדיפת הדת or Avigdor Lieberman who represents hundreds of thousands of Russians many who are not jewish seeking a quick geirus to be considered Jews.
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Instead, Eretz Hakodesh has embarked on a PR campaign taking out full page ads touting their accomplishments, the biggest one for facilitating the entry into Israel of 50,000 students to study at Israeli yeshivos and seminaries when the COVID-19 pandemic was still strong and restrictions were formidable.
Clearly that was not something that their platform was made for or their original mission. Secondly, other organizations could have done the same thing with some pull and protekzia of Knesset members. It did not justify their formation to break a status quo of all gedolei yisrael in the last millennia to make themselves the saviors of the yeshiva bochurim or for seminary girls who there is definitely no obligation for them to go to Israel. The next big accomplishment they touted is the participation of 28,000 for chol hamoed concerts. Yes, that was the reason to go against the ruling of Rav Chaim brisker, the Chazon ish, rav Chaim Ozer, the chofetz Chaim the Brisker Rav, and Rav Elyashiv to sponsor a music event in yerushalayim on chol hamoed. The Rosh Yeshiva of Baltimore harav Aaron Feldman shlita said said bochurim should not attend the musical event sponsored by Eretz Hakodesh on Chol hamoed in order not to give eretz hakodesh the authority to represent yeshiva bochurim.
The next accomplishment they boast is "funding", something they said was not the reason that justifies their formation but who remembers that ,it was pre covid era.
This week Eretz Hakodesh got egg on their face after publicly welcoming the new head of the Jewish agency in Israel Mr. Doron Almog what a great choice he is. The first thing he did was attend a Reform Judaisim event and proudly disclose that he is a member of the reform movement to the dismay of Eretz Hakodesh.
After the great fanfare and campaign that was waged targeting frum Jews in the diaspora they have failed to show a single accomplishment that justified their existence and having people sign up declaring the Jerusalem program that Zionism is “the national liberation movement of the Jewish people” and “the centrality of the State of Israel in the life of the nation.” . The gedolim called it kefira in Toras Moshe as it Omitted the belief in One Hashem and the Torah He gave us, and nothing else.
Instead of admitting a massive failure they just changed the mission.
Agree 100% we must not think we are smarter than all Gedoilim of the last century
ReplyDeleteThe frum media is responsible for this as they peddled this sham for advertising moneym The biggest avla was using a video of Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky who said to vote for the Israeli General elections but posted it as if he said to vote for the WZO
ReplyDeleteKlal yisrael was played and fooled
This reminds me of the old החומה magazines, where they constantly found reason to negate any accomplishments of the Agudah in EY. Either they did nothing, or someone else gets the credit.
ReplyDeleteIt seems the anonymous writer of this screed does not understand how Israel works, and what gets done by non profits and what gets accomplished by the Knesset. NGOs have power there, but not over the Knesset. Eretz Hakodesh would never have been able to prevent Knesset laws. But the Knesset is not everything.
And this articles lies in the names of Gedolei Yisroel. None of them said anything about today's generation. The דימוי מילתא למילתא is of the writer's own imagination.
Well said.
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on the contrary the knesset was passing bills because precisely they were afraid of the new growing influence of the religious and wished therefore to preempt it.
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Those aware what goes on within back channels of international Zionist organizations will admit that something major was accomplished
Do your homework Rav Reuvein Grozovzky zatzal addressed the very points of your argument in בעיות הזמן
DeleteAs for the gedolim you claim did not speak about today's generation again do your homework Rav Elyashiv in his last year of life around 10 years ago came out very strongly against joining the WZO they knew all your cheshbonos with NGO"s and Non profits. They were very prophetic about this.
I'm unconvinced that Eretz Hakdosh accomplished as little as is being claimed here but even if that is correct I still don't regret voting for them and would do so again. You vote as a means of histadlus. Whether you are successful in the outcome or not does not change things. Plenty of people did the wrong thing and had hatzlacha and plenty of people did the right thing and did not .
ReplyDeleteYour vote accomplished quite a lot. Ask any former center left leader of the wzo
DeleteTreife hishtadlus is not hishtadlus
DeleteHarav Aaron. Feldman shlita wrote a very detailed letter and spoke at the Agudah convention explaining the position of gedolei yisrael against joining the WZO no one countered what he said .
ReplyDeleteHatav Malkiel Kotler shlita wrote a 12 page teshuva explaining the position of gedolei yisrael against joining
No one besides for some websites and magazines who were paid off explained the contrary. Even Rav Elya Brudny who initially supported it backtracked right away.
The only accomplishment was the sons of Gafni and Deri got high paying jobs at the wzo.
The biggest accomplishment was one of the greatest chilull Hashem of our generation as we spit in the face of our gedolim of the last 150 years. And bizuy kvod shamayim.
And guess what the Balei batim at Agudath Israel did? They punished Rav Aaron Frldman shlita the next 2 years by stripping him from the Motzei shabbos keynote session and gave him a slot on shabbos that can not be recorded.
DeleteThis was verified by the Rosh yeshivah. Who was not mocheh for his own kavod and accepted the humiliation. The chutzpah of the baleei batim this is why the yeshiva world at large have no respect for Agudah no matter how loud they try to scream that they listen to days torah.
They did similarly to Rav Abraham Chaim Levine.
DeleteThat's less than half the story likely. More probably they exiled him because of his declaration last year regarding issues of nursing homes and all problematic legalities now in the system with his prompt Unequivocal: they should all sell.
DeleteI doubt even the Satmar Rav would put this in the top 100 chillul hashems of our generation
DeleteThe issue is not if they accomplished anything, as the last year the government was doing whatever possible to securalize the country. And many times it takes many years to accomplish missions, the issue is, telling ppl to vote on something that your average guy doesn't even know what it stands for, and when they find out what they did, in this case against a issur from all big gedolim we followed for the past 130 years, they feel played and lose trust in the leadership, in today's gedolim,
ReplyDeleteI find it funny that people have no problem mixing into Israeli issues regarding giyus, fighting against current living Gedolei Yisroel.
ReplyDeleteYet, when they have a chance to actually influence matters over there, they demur because of 'kano'us'.
The problem was that this was not something that was supported by the Torah leaders. Yeah, you did have some MO rabbis/activists in chareidi garb pushing this. They're known for activism and not for Torah greatness.
ReplyDeleteכל מי שאינו יודע בטיב .... לא יהא לו עסק עמהם
Unfortunately, if we don't take the above to heart, we could end up showing support to things which we haven't had the time to properly research from all the angles.
Very disingenuous of this writer to omit the fact that many gedolim urged people to join. He also obviously sorely lacks an understanding of organizational politics and the power they wield.
ReplyDeleteMany gedolim??? Who exactly?
DeleteSince when does organizational politics override our definition as Jews???
Eretz hakodesh claimed to have the support of Rav Chaim Kanievsky yet they never provided a single document with his signature on it. Rav Aaron Feldman addressed that claim in his letter. The support of some rabbonim does not carry any weight against 150 years of the gedolei olam who led klal yisrael.
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ReplyDeleteanon 2:18 Pls tell us what R" Reuvain wrote in Bayos Hazman pertaining to this issue shkoyach
ReplyDeleteWhen was the Shulchan Oruch written? When were the Rambam's 13 principles written? When were the Ikrim's 3 principles written?
DeleteYou cannot discard and disregard Hashem's words because you have a way to protect the Torah.
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General comment : The kanoim may in essence be right but if someone is not makpid on Glatt Yosher when dealing with government programs in America (v'day l'maiven)and someone is happy to partner with and strengthen people who will promote all sorts of Toeva for the sake of money then their kanous is not kanous. To put it nicely.
ReplyDeleteI got it.
Delete1) If you Daven Shmone Esreh according to halacha, you must say selach lanu - acknowledging that you have sinned.
2) If you have sinned in any way, then you dare not prevent someone else from sinning and from misrepresenting the Torah and from denouncing/reinterpreting Judaism.
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3) Additionally you will kindly apply a pejorative label on anyone who is exposing those who are trying to reinterpret Judaism.
To put it nicely: By your own standards, you have no right to comment here either. To put it nicely.
AnonymousJune 20, 2022 at 11:45 AM
DeleteThe first two points aren't shitos. People who do aveiros that they say selach lanu for don't try to justify them in the way people try to justify the examples I gave. To put it more blunt " A guy who lives off genaiva and sheker has no business lecturing about Bitochen and Hashem runs the world so we shouldn't be interfering and making such Histadlus"
He is still able to speak about Chilul Shabbos.
I don't understand what you are trying to say with point 3
To be blunt:
Delete1) Whi lives off geneiva and sheker? That's a wild and gratuitous accusation. If you're insinuating that the anonymous comments here are by people living off geneiva and sheker - well, then: mirror mirror on the wall..... That can define you and not anyone else. If you're insinuating that Rav Aaron Feldman etc are, then the conversation is over. This is a wild claim which would need to have lots of proof.
You haven't even made an attempt at proof. Just an attempt at red herring and ad hominem.
2) You seem to miss as the point about joining the WZO. Nothing permits us to join them and redefine Judaism. Insinuating other wrongdoing is completely besides the point.
3) Glad that you didn't assign a pejorative this time around. Good going.
Rav Eliyahu Lopian said (during Eiphoh yossele saga)
ReplyDelete“when they give us blows,kumpt unz. kumpt unz!
Their silent cry :What about us? how come you were/are unconcerned about us when we were/are growing up?
you proclaim to be concerned about chinuch,about yahadus
about Faith