Update: Several Lakewood playgroup morahs unite in raising tuition by more than $100 a month to keep with the going rate. Some ate not giving a set price yer until there's a standard one, a $1000 increase for this year. For an average of $500 a month
After all the fanfare, PR articles and photo ops about the need to raise the morahs and teachers salaries, at the end of the day it is the struggling parents who are forced to pay the bill. At a time of record inflation with basic living wages through the roof high grocery and gas prices families having to pay more in rent and other expenses you would think the schools would have some rachmanus. The average American family is paying a a extra $500 a month in costs due to inflation. you can double or triple that for the average frum Lakewood family. Following a year when Schools made money during covid when costs and expenses were down and schools benefited from PPP loans (and food boxes). Instead they raised tuition for this coming year up to $1200 per child at some schools while others kept it to under $500 nevertheless it all adds up.
The excuse to raise it besides the inflation is because of the campaign to raise the salaries. The big money from gevirim never materialized the organizations that pushed it remain silent while quietly right before the year begins when everyone is on summer vacation the tuition contracts arrived in the mail with the shocking increases.
Similar increase with transportation costs parents where given short notice of a $80 increase per child for courtesy busing at the last minute when the town could pay it just as they do for the public schools
. The schools are not fighting on behalf of the parents no one is advocating for them but yes, taking credit for something which at the end of the day ends up hurting the struggling Lakewood families.
You complain there's a morah/babysitting crisis and you complain they can't charge more? Guess what when a seminary girl with no exp. Can make double in medical billing compared to a morah with 10 years exp. Why in the world should anyone be a teacher? The amount they are getting paid compared to any other job is a joke they are basically "Paid volunteers" the fact is there's a huge segment that manage to spend a fortune on vacations, taking their kids to EY! Buying takeout, sushi etc weekly. They seem to have an endless supply of money but somehow hav nothing for tuition??
ReplyDeleteIf you would have read the post you would notice that the point made was not that teachers dont deserve higher salaries. It was that there were ppl (individual askoning and an org.)pushing for the raises making the impression that wealthy donors would cover the raise or schools would raise the money...Yet what actualized is the struggling parents are held holding the bags. P.s. your point about ppl taking expensive vacations is silly as those ppl beleive it or not represent a very small percentage of the 100 percent of parents who had their tuition raised.
DeleteYou didnt respond to the posts point about the schools making millions during covid
DeleteOnly a matter of time until those jobs start drying up and or paying less. Already happening in a lot of industries including Real Estate and e-commerce.
DeleteHealthcare is somewhat insulated because medicare and medicaid money is guaranteed. But the reason for a shortage of workers was constant expansion, and with higher interest rates, that is starting to dry up.
Not to mention, many of these jobs in Nursing Home billing are extremely high stress with a high burnout rate.
Don't you know, Anonymous 11:40, that if we don't give today's children what they want, and what their friends have, i.e. takeout, sushi, vacations, etc., the kids will go off the derech?
ReplyDeleteNot sure what you are hocking about. The $59 million that BMG raised for the "Adirei Hatorah" will pay the tuition raise
ReplyDeleteIt already went to the landlords
DeleteLets see how many teachers are actually leaving giving up on their ideology and joining the work force. Rebbeim are making more than middle class families with after school tutoring summer camp and other perks throughout the year.
ReplyDeleteMy husband has been a rebbe for 20 years and earns less than 60,000. We had a tuition discount for our 2 boys when in elementary school, but when they graduated the money was not added to the check. This is middle class?
DeleteShame! How do you write this?
DeleteThe same parents who can’t afford the tuition raise are still not willing to buy their kids Walmart shoes, target wardrobes, make simchas without miniatures, give CZ engagement rings, stop sending to $2800 sleepaway camps and seminary in Israel. Go back to the Lakewood lifestyle of the 1980s in yeshiva apartments and then you can complain about a tuition that is still half of what parents are paying in other communities.
ReplyDeleteReally? I do buy Walmart shoes, target wardrobes, and made simchas without miniatures. Did not pay 2800 for sleepaway camp. My 2 oldest daughters have not gone to Israel for seminary. So do I have a right to complain when my kids school wants to raise me 1,600 over last year. No my salary didn't increase. Yes my food costs and everything has gone up, and I wouldn't complain if the Yeshiva would raise me 700. You have some gall to lump everyone together!
DeleteWell said.
DeleteEven for those who don't how can one compare.
How about for all those who making loads going back to the first days of covid when everything was shut down and everyone was all in the same boat all together?
Oh, that seems horrible.
The commenter is a scoundrel full of chutzpah
Please explain me why 25 years ago people admired Rosh Mosdos and founders of frum Jewish non-profits, and today all I hear all day is how they are all crooks and power freaks etc.
ReplyDeleteMaybe people should step back and stop being so bitter and have some hakaras hatov.
Or maybe people just woke up and smelled the corruption coffee...
DeleteYou answered your own question years ago you had idealistic people that opened a school for the sake of educating children and they won the support of the community. today you have the same people as well but others made a business out of it and instead of educating children they look make a buck. There's a girls school that was opened by investors and every year the hired rosh mosad must produce the dividends
DeleteYes we know about that girls school that was opened years ago by a Rosh Mosed. There has been many schools to follow suit
DeleteToday for the most part it is a very profitable business and many school owners have become rich from it.
But they will tell you: if you don't like it go elsewhere or open your own school and that doesn't squish money from parents.
Are they wrong?
Yes they are very wrong. Schools is not a profit business it is a responsibility to educate children and provide chinuch habonim vehabanos.period full stop.
DeleteRoshei Mosdos had it rougher back then
DeleteAnd there was little status in it
Or they went for the more
baalhabatish
And yes, we were probably more naive
Private school owners today want to also build houses so they can make a lot of money. It’s not just about education anymore. It’s about controlling people and making money while they’re at it.
DeleteAnon 6:39
DeleteYou make a good point, so it's hard to argue with you
Here is an idea for all of the budding investigative journalists out there.
ReplyDeleteGet the public records regarding one school in Lakewood and find out how much money they made off the government during Covid. Work out how large their staff is, and how many children are in the school. Do the math, which will only be an estimate. But when you have a number, you will be forcing the school to answer with better info.
Whining online doesn't do a thing.
We need more community based schools. These ceo's are very special for opening mossdes but unfortunately we can't afford paying him 200k a year plus building fund aka mortgage so he and his kids could retire in Israel and Florida while his building is leased to the new selfless tzadik opening a mossed
ReplyDeleteThere are very few real community based schools in town. Most are run by private operators who get compensated very well from the simcha hall revenue and additional housing they squeeze in because they say it's needed for the school.
DeleteHe’s a rebbe for 20 years and makes 60k? He should look for a new job
ReplyDeleteWhen you decide you want to become a Rebbe, it’s not about the money. It’s because you love learning. You love giving over to the Talmidim. It’s because you love watching the Mesoras HaTorah from one generation to the next.
DeleteYep, he only makes 60,000. But he and his wife decided that they’ll make it work because they have a desire to give over to the Talmidim.
If somebody becomes a Rebbe because he expects to ‘do well,’ he’s probably not the Rebbe material that we want in front of the classroom.
We are not complaining about the 60k. I am pointing out that we are not middle class and have happily lived the simple chinuch life with much nachas from our family.
DeleteRebbeim are not middle class, they are upper class. Especially when you add all the perks.
ReplyDeleteupper/middle class.
Deleteone of the perks is whining rights.
Huh?
DeleteRidiculous comment !
DeleteSure, here was just the first batch in the very beginning of corona:
ReplyDeleteMESIVTA KESER TORAH CENTRAL JERSEY $ 9,416.00
MESIVTA OF EATONTOWN $ 15,301.00
BNOS MELECH $386,060.00
YESHIVA TORAS MENACHEM $155,365.00
YESHIVA BIRCHAS CHAIM $ 37,664.00
YESHIVA TORAS CHAIM $ 34,133.00
BAIS YAAKOV H S OF LAKEWOOD $175,375.00
TEHILAS CHAYA SARA $ 84,745.00
BNOS BAIS YAAKOV HIGH SCHOOL $ 43,549.00
YESHIVA SHAGAS ARYEH $241,287.00
CALVARY ACADEMY $ 60,028.00
MESIVTA TORAH TEMIMAH OF LAKEWOOD $ 38,841.00
YESHIVA BAIS AHARON $ 10,593.00
BAIS KAILA TORAH PREP HS $ 94,161.00
BAIS SHAINDEL H S GIRLS $241,287.00
BNOS DEVORAH $262,473.00
BAIS TOVA INC. $370,758.00
OROS BAIS YAKOV $156,542.00
BNOS YAAKOV ELEMENTARY $263,650.00
BNOS ORCHOS CHAIM $136,533.00
BAIS CHINUCH L'BONOS BAYIS RUCHEL $190,676.00
BAIS FAIGA SCHOOL FOR GIRLS $649,710.00
BAIS RIVKA ROCHEL SCHOOL $349,572.00
BAIS REUVEN KAMENITZ $112,993.00
CHINUCH L'BANOS T/A TIFERES CHAYA $ 89,453.00
CHEDER BNEI TORAH $110,639.00
JEWISH EDUCATION FOR GIRLS, INC./ B $ 76,506.00
LAKEWOOD CHEDER SCHOOL $633,232.00
YESHIVAS OHR YISSOCHOR ACADEMY $ 5,885.00
SEPHARDIC BET YAAKOV $112,993.00
TASHBAR OF LAKEWOOD $185,968.00
TIFERES BAIS YAAKOV $211,862.00
YESHIVA TIFERETH TORAH $134,179.00
TALMUD TORAH BAIS AVROHOM $211,862.00
TORAS IMECHA, INC. $165,959.00
YESHIVA K'TANA $205,977.00
YESHIVA BAIS HATORAH DBA TORAH INST $109,462.00
UNITED TALMUDICAL ACADEMY $ 58,851.00
YESHIVA NEFESH HACHAIM $ 34,133.00
YESHIVA SHAAREI ORAH $ 37,664.00
YESHIVA CHAYEI OLAM $ 10,593.00
CHEDER TORAS ZEV $151,834.00
BAIS SARAH, INC. $ 2,354.00
YESHIVA YESODEI HATORAH/CHEDER BAIS $ 22,363.00
YESHIVA GEDOLA OF WOODLAKE VILLAGE $ 25,894.00
YESHIVA MASORAS AVOS $135,356.00
BNOS BRACHA $142,418.00
ATERES TZIPORA $ 17,655.00
YESHIVA ORCHOS CHAIM $368,404.00
YESHIVAS OHR HATORAH $220,101.00
CONG. MIKOR HATORAH $ 18,832.00
YESHIVA TORAS EMES $ 67,090.00
ReplyDeleteYESHIVA TORAS ARON $266,004.00
YESHIVA KOL TORAH $ 57,674.00
DERECH HATORAH OF LAKEWOOD $ 3,531.00
ZECHER YOCHANAN $ 98,869.00
YESHIVA GEDOLAH MEOR HATORAH $ 28,248.00
TALMUD TORAH DARCHEI AVOSEINU $ 62,382.00
YESHIVA OHR YEHUDA $100,046.00
SHIRAS DEVORAH $158,896.00
RAUCH CHAIM INC. $ 32,956.00
YESHIVA CHEMDAS HATORAH $ 21,186.00
BAS YISROEL $ 48,257.00
SHIRAS CHAIM $115,347.00
KESSER BAIS YAAKOV $ 88,276.00
BNOS ESTHER MALKA $100,046.00
KNESSES BAIS LEVI $ 28,248.00
CHEDER TIFERES YISROEL $ 9,416.00
MESIVTA SHAAR HATORAH $ 18,832.00
TALMUD TORAH TOLDOS YAKOV YOSEF $ 52,965.00
YESHIVAT YAGDIL TORAH $ 55,320.00
YESHIVAT OR HACHAIM OF LAKEWOOD $ 41,195.00
YESHIVA OHR SHRAGA LAKEWOOD $ 65,913.00
MORESHES BY $ 50,611.00
CHEIN BAIS YAAKOV/YESHIVA PHILLIP H $ 55,320.00
YESHIVA EVEN YISROEL $ 65,913.00
MESIVTA OHR CHAIM MEIR $ 24,717.00
YESHIVA SHAAR HATALMUD $ 40,018.00
DAMASEK ELIEZER $ 35,310.00
MEROS BAIS YAAKOV $ 60,028.00
MESIVTA OF LAKEWOOD $ 83,568.00
BNOS TZIPPA $ 27,071.00
TALMUD TORAH OF LAKEWOOD $ 44,726.00
MESIVTA AHAVAS HATORAH D'LAKEWOOD $ 28,248.00
YESHIVA STOLIN KARLIN $ 29,425.00
YESHIVA BAIS HACHINUCH $ 24,717.00
YESHIVA TORAS YISROEL INC $ 25,894.00
YESHIVA MESORAS HATORAH $ 24,717.00
MACHZIKEI HADAS $ 57,674.00
MASORES BNOS YISROEL, INC. $ 49,434.00
NESIVOS HATORAH $ 38,841.00
YESHIVAS OHR OLAM $ 28,248.00
CHEDER EITZ CHAIM $ 17,655.00
YESHIVAS LEKAH TOV INC. $ 14,124.00
OHR AVROHOM CHAIM $ 42,372.00
CONGREGATION YESHIVA MKOR CHAIM $ 23,540.00
MESIVTA GAON YAAKOV $ 17,655.00
S.C.S.C, INC./MEKAR HACHINUCH $ 38,841.00
SHALVA HIGH SCHOOL $ 7,062.00
UTA OF LAKEWOOD, INC. $ 70,621.00
TALMUD TORAH YESODEI HATORAH, INC. $ 17,655.00
BELZ INSTITUTIONS OF LAKEWOOD $ 68,267.00
CONGREGATION YESHMESIVTA DARKEI NOAM $ 1,177.00
YESHIVA GEDOLAH KEREN HATORAH $ 31,779.00
SPARK PRESCHOOL $ 8,239.00
SANZ OF LAKEWOOD - BOYS $ 7,062.00
TIFERES SHMUEL $ 17,655.00
TALMUD TORAH TORAS YISROEL $ 14,124.00
BET YAAKOV OZ VEHADAR $ 5,885.00
ADERES BAIS YAAKOV $ 25,894.00
NACHLAS BAIS YAAKOV INC $ 67,090.00
BAIS HACINUCH L'BANOS $ 14,124.00
YESHIVAS OHR HACHINUCH $ 4,708.00
NEEMAS BAIS YAAKOV $ 4,708.00
MIR ALUMNI KOLEL $ 3,531.00
YESHIVA OHL HATORAH $ 4,708.00
KOCHVEI OHR $ 8,239.00
YESHIVA YAAROS DEVASH $ 3,531.00
PUBLIC ALLOCATION $1,293,546.00
Do you realize that these numbers, for many of the schools, would cover only 1 salary.
Deletethis was the first of many many bigger ones...
DeleteThe first of many Covid payments to schools was "hiding" hiding right here:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.lakewoodpiners.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=77&dataid=1422&FileName=Public%20Meeting%20Minutes%20for%20LiveStreamed%20Meeting%20June%201%202020%20with%20signature.pdf
I lived in Lakewood for many years . When I moved out to a new community the tuition bills were more than double. The reason being the cost of living , housing was much more here. Fast forward many years later . Housing costs in Lakewood are the same as here . Tuition in Lakewood is still too cheap. Every place out of Lakewood will charge 12-15k for tuition. Anyone that needs a break is eligible- based on need. The Lakewood system overcharges those with real need and undercharges those that have the means to pay more
ReplyDeleteYou can't compare Lakewood to OOT Communities. There is a smaller student to teacher ratio in OOT schools. In Lakewood you have up to 45 kids in high school and 30 in elementary. The OOT schools charge more because they provide more of a sophisticated curriculum with professional teachers and lots of other periods with art class gym dance etc..
DeleteLakewood was and still is a yeshiva town of large families poor and middle class who are struggling, yet no one gets a tuition break even if they have many children.
And BTW Bais Faiga is paying a nice chunk of the cheders budget all that extra money is available why does that not go to the teachers and why are they raising tuition to pay another school
Almost everyone gets a tuition break. If you are not paying $6-$7k per kid elementary and $8-$9k for mesivta / BM, then you are getting a break. Almost everyone I know in kollel or kli kodesh are not paying full. And many others as well.
DeleteI’m talking in town- Brooklyn/ 5 Towns / Monsey - all have much higher tuitions- even with large class sizes
DeleteDifference is those who move there aren't being swindled. It was like that before they came originally
DeleteThank you Torah Umsesorah the parents really feel you looked out for them.
ReplyDeleteand Agudah too for that matter
DeleteSo all you smart ones how do you propose the one teaching your son/daughter pay for all the raised prices in food clothing etc etc
ReplyDeleteSame way we are: buy less, go without
ReplyDeleteThe foundation of Lakewood
ReplyDeleteWas a sincere collective in it together. The previous was even for chicken farmers.It was not
Capitalism. It never would have succeeded had it been
All this is besides the millions they all made on boxes and in the meantime we all continued paying tuition as always.
ReplyDeleteBe happy you have tuition to pay. Unlike my frum erliche innocent kids who won't be able to attend school this year because we originate from a different town. A raise in tuiton and all other costs... Maybe Hashem wants to teach us a lesson. What our first priority should be? To educate the future Generations of Klal Yisroel!! Too late the $ has been donated and BMG has gotten their song and dance. But Hashem sees and feels the tears of the jewish mothers and young children.
ReplyDeleteWake up all thr movers and shakers and donaters. Let's once and for all learn our lesson before Hashem feels the need to take further action !!
Unhappy people complaining about tuition just remember everything is from hashem and that it's all a proizdur. Learn to be happy with your life and let hashem take care of everything else
ReplyDeleteI predict that over the next 10 years, we'll see more unofficial homeschool group style schools becoming popular.
ReplyDeleteUnhappy people complaining? You are clearly not paying for bussing. I bet you don’t pay for your own food or rent either.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the difference between the girls high schools is unfortunately not surprising at all!
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