- Tomorrow night begin to say ותן טל ומטר
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- Watch Agudah convention live
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- Boosur meat store in S. Fallsburg was destroyed by fire over shabbos
- Matzav reports: On Friday, Rabbi Dr. Aaron Twersky held nothing back while speaking at the Agudah Convention as part of a panel on anti-Semitism.“I used to come to Agudah Conventions and felt comfortable. Why? Because there was a Chassidishe olam. For the last 10 years, it has been going down and down. There are no Chassidim here in the Agudah. We have been uninvited, not formally…“The problem starts because Chassidim are not represented in the Motzes Gedolei Hatorah.”He added that “unless things change, I will tell you….Agudas Yisroel will become irrelevant to Klal Yisroel maybe 3 years from now, 5 years from now see video on Matzav. In response Agudah tweets photo of a man with a shtreimel see below. Rabbi Zweibel responded to the criticism that it was well placed and said the same is about the sefardi community they are working on finding the right people. See videos below
-Elon Musk releases the Twitter files showing communications between Twitter top executives and Dems to cover up and suppress the Hunter Biden story leading up to the 2020 elections.
- Rocket fired from Gaza into Israel earlier tonight. IDF responded by attacking weapons manufacturing plant.
- The New Jersey Cannabis Regulatory Commission on Friday voted to approve a proposal that would allow businesses to establish marijuana lounges, where marijuana could be consumed on premises. Currently, recreational marijuana can only be consumed on private property.(Reporter S. Schorr)
- Photo: Yeshiva bochurim from Mesivta Yesodei Hatorah of Naugatuck CT, came over to the the Agudah Convention and heard a drasha from Rav Hillel David shlita
,Some of my best friends are Chassidic. That's what this sounds like.
ReplyDeleteHey, they got rid of the Yekkes so now we know who's next
They didn't get rid of the yekkes. Alot of the older yekkes that were involved were nifter. And yes their children are involved today!
DeleteThe Matersdorfer the Novominsker Rav Yaakov Horowitz etc.. there is plenty of representation the bigger issue is the chasidim have to first unite among themselves in order to join since there's no room for 2 bobov and 8 vizhnitz rebbes and both Ger factions.
ReplyDeleteThe Vyalipoler is on
DeleteThere’s room but they won’t come together. Chassidim don’t want to be part of aguda.
ReplyDeleteThe Gerrers are out. Cant have Reshaim in our tent who apparently believe its perfectly fine to hit other yidden physically if they dont bow to your rebbe.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the Yeshivaleit community?? Despite all the roshei yeshiva on the moetzes the Balei batim do what they want and have final say
ReplyDeleteDon't see what changed between now and years ago. I haven't been at a convention in over forty years but don't see the makeup of the dais having changed at all. Forty years ago even the two Rebbes who WERE on the Moetzes at the time (the Bluzhever and Bostoner Rebbe from NY) no longer attended the conventions. The only other Moetzes member not to attend was Rav Moshe who unlike them wasn't making public appearances anywhere at that time and he sent a prerecorded video speech. They didn't do even that. So I'm hard pressed to understand how the lack of Chasidim on the Moetzes could be a bigger issue now than forty years ago.
ReplyDeleteAguda usa went the way of the dinasoars
ReplyDeleteSorry but those comments in the speech were uncalled for. If you have gripes about mo chasidim than keep it private and reach out to the agudah leadership. To do so publicly at their own event is a not nice
ReplyDeleteHe cleared it with them almost surely beforehand. This is their way of softening the ground
DeleteThe chasidim today are more right wing and less compromising than 40 years ago putting them on the moetzes means they will totally dominate and leave the crumbs for the litvaks
ReplyDeleteThe rebbes don't have any reason to be on the moetzes , nothing to gain it's not their place to tell the American yeshiva community what to do, most moetzes members didn't get a real chance to speak or lead at the convention
DeleteThe president of agudah is a gerer chosid they have the most powerful representation
ReplyDeletePut the Nikolusberger from Woodbourne on
ReplyDeleteCan some please explain us about this organization that wants Frum Jews to be represented?
ReplyDeleteNever heard of them. What do they do?
never heard of them either
DeleteGer Viznitz Bobov and Belz have never been represented in the American Moetzes. He might as well have added Satmar to the bunch.
ReplyDeleteThey were never on the Moetzes but until the mid 1960s the Bobover Rebbe would sometimes attend the Agudah conventions as an outsider. Rav Elyah Fisher the Gerrer Rosh Kollel and unofficial head of Ger in America always attended the conventions and in the 1970s the Pnei Menachem (he was Rosh Yeshiva not the Rebbe at the time) would sometimes come all the way from Eretz Yisroel to speak at the conventions.
DeleteIt was just a few years ago that rav doniel alter was main guest speaker at Agudah convention.
DeleteToday they are run by the Lakewood “balleh battim” and the Lakewood shvitzers.
ReplyDeleteToday the aguda does not make belive they Have very important issues to discuss at the conventions and all shall attend and give their imput. Today the topics are as dull as can be. So why would anyone attend. 20 years ago the topics and Discussions made the attendees feel like they are saving the world.
DeleteReb a twersky is well respected , he probably will apologize, he meant well, chassidim are very involved in the macher part of agudah. But put all their efforts in their own brand, agudah is too general.. in the old days an agudist was a brand. All rebbes respect what aguda does even satmar works together on many items togethor...each chassidus today is big enough and has enough of its own problems. If you saw the boyan chasuna massic
ReplyDeleteVe olam a true rebirth 40 years ago boyan was a shtiebel
You have all missed the point. The agenda of the convention does not have any content that appeals to chasidim. The content and in many ways the whole agenda of the aguda has been hijacked by a few young "leaders", and are irrelevant to vast amounts of large communities.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Todays agenda is let's all be happy and sing kumbaya. And pray and have bitachon. Such an agenda will attract no one with שכל.
DeleteOver the years, the convention has become more and more relevant. When they discuss topics of actual interest to the community, instead of fluff like 'an eye to the past, the view of the future', we can gain from it. New ideas for Chinuch, dealing with government, Shuls, helping others, and more. As the Agudah becomes less relevant, the convention becomes more relevant.
ReplyDeleteR Reuven F shlita warned some of us 17 years ago this is what Aguda was becoming. An Organization that will just cater to whichever demographic community will make the most noise.
ReplyDeleteWho spurned who?
And Agudah , like an abused spouse, runs after them continuously
This also happens to be one of the few places left where non cha sidim collectively can still feel comfortable, and now they want to pull that out as well?
If T'woke'r ski is so concerned let him raise it at the OU conventions he attends.
If the end result is a panel in Yiddish, all dialects included,so be it, they can even offer to pay people to come -it would fill up quickly.
There are those who bear communities under shoulders, and those who don't.
The Chassidim have wrested so much else without bearing responsibility or burden, they even take it over much of Agudah agenda already eg curriculum
Man who wears streimel speaking at anti-Semitism forum, says he's uncomfortable when he's around too many other frum Jews who don't wear streimels. If we can't see each other as the same despite different dress codes, hashem sends us the message through our enemies.
ReplyDeleteMisleading. Bingo is selling Pizza On the 9 pies.
ReplyDeleteWhich respected member of or major faction in the Chasidish world is looking to be a part of Agudah but is being excluded? Do non-Chasidim complain about their lack of representation on the Hisachdus HaRabonim and criticize it for it's lack of influence outside the Chasidish world? It would probably be a lot easier for a member of the hierarchy of the Hisachdus HaRabonim to get onto the Moetzes than a member of Moetzes getting onto the hierarchy of the Hisachdus HaRabonim. (The Bostoner Rebbe of NY was the only member of the Moetzes to ever do that. )
ReplyDeleteInstead of pushing some Chassidim onto the Moetzes, let's declare some Mo'etzes members as Chassidim. Then everything will be ok.
ReplyDeleteAll hereditary members, people who were placed on the Mo'etzes as legacies, by definition are Chassidic. There we go.
We attended the Agudah convention in 1978 My father (having attended the convention in Mareinbad) turned to me and sadly said och und vei far dein dor az dus zenen deine gedolim. How much more so is this true today. Being the son or grandson or son-in-law of a gadol does not make you a gadol. By what process are the members chosen?
ReplyDeleteAsk an old Lakewooder who the gedolim in Lakewood are and see if you even recognize the names. I cried at R Kalman's levaya when a yunger man asked me if he was an adam chashuv that he had such a large turnout at his levaya.
Who exactly does Agudah represent or in fact help? I called Dovid Zweibel for help in a civil matter where everything was politics and since Agudah is about politics I asked for their help. His answer: the system is corrupt. Not even let me look into it. Maybe if I owned a nursing home....
Shame on your ears that heard such about about Rav Moshe, Rav Yaakov Rav YY Ruderman. Uch un vei to your chinuch that thinks you have the right to an opinion about the zikni hador.
DeleteYou misunderstood your father the gedolim in the 70"s were Torah giants of once in a generation. יפתח בדורו כשמואל בדורו
DeleteChas veshalom to speak that way against gedoloei Yisroel. Feh you should ask mechillah
And that is exactly why chassidim should not join agudah they have no respect or know how to value the litvishe gedolim in comparison to their rebbes of pre war Europe
DeleteI'm sorry the person's father was disrespectful but he was correct in terms of personality type. People back then revered the Gedolim but considered the leadership too mild in manner projection in comparison to previous generations
DeleteNever heard of this Rabbi Twersky until now. What does he mean when he says he USED TO feel comfortable, but only amongst Chassidim, and now he doesn’t? Why not exactly? I think he’s part of the problem. (Btw, This guy is American as they come. I don’t see him feeling comfortable amongst some vizhnitzer dayan or the likes of that). The fact he didn’t mention Satmar (from the list he was reading) which is arguably the largest group in America shows exactly what the issue is. Chasidim want to do things their way and their way only. They aren’t interested in joining forces with others to tackle problems. They want to be isolated in that regard so it seems. Otherwise why would they build their own towns and infrastructure? It’s because they are nervous their entire system will fall apart if issues aren’t tackled by their own from within. So certainly being part of Agudah will not do any good for anyone.
ReplyDeleteLast point: He claims it used to be populated by Chassidim and within the last 10 years it’s gotten worse. This is factually untrue. The Moetzes has always primarily been made of the Roshei Yeshiva, with the exception of a few Rebbes, who were down to earth and understood the challenges of the time. Vizhnitz, Belz, Skver etc. never were involved with the Agudah so don’t know what this guy is smokin’.
Rabbi Dr. Aaron Twersky held nothing back while speaking at the Agudah Convention as part of a panel on anti-Semitism.“I used to come to Agudah Conventions and felt comfortable. Why? Because there was a Chassidishe olam.
ReplyDeleteSatmar Belz Skver and Vizhnitz aren’t interested in what Rabbi Dr. has to say. Not sure what I’m missing here.
What’s with this threat that Agudah won’t be relevant in 3 years if Chassidim aren’t represented? They never were, and everyone is doing just fine.
ReplyDeleteHeres the bigger point. There were unaffiliated chasidm 30 years ago. The came from where they came from, they daven in whichever shtibel they davened, they learned in one of many yeshivos, chazan sofer, vein and other schools, but they were not strongly aligned with any given chasidus, and mostly because the chasidus they came from was decimated in the war. So they attended the Agudah convention. Todays chassidim are strongly aligned with a major chasidishe group, and that's their entire social circle. Most bobov satmar and other chassidim are not by heritage bobov satmar etc. They joined bobov and and satmar. Same for the other big chassidim.
ReplyDeleteGreat point!
DeleteEnough of this, leaving us out. The Rebbeh must be appointed Rosh Agudas Yisrael, and Reb Y.Y. Jacobson and Sholom Mordechai Rubashkin to the Moetzes.
ReplyDeleteFor those who don’t know who rabbi professor Twerski is
ReplyDeleteHe is a lawyer,former dean of a law school,and a scion of the famous Twerski family nephews of Rav shlomo bobover zl
a brother to the Milwaukee rebbe and the one from Pittsburgh who passed away
He represented aguda numerous times for many years and represented chardei positions for many years
Agudas Yisroel in pre war Europe was well represented by anyone and everyone whether chasdish or litvish as the needs of charedi Jewry was the same and they hasn’t changed
That being said he’s making a point that unless Agudah will add the chasidic rebbes to the roster of those on the moetzes (and as pointed out at this point most of its members are their due to their family Yichus so rebbes can be added as well on this account)the Chasidim won’t feel represented and won’t join aguda making agudah irrelevant
being the Chasidim have their own IN and developed their own connections and have very capable askonim aguda becomes irrelevant and if they want to be relevant they need to realize that a large part of charedi Jews aren’t necessarily litvish or American they are Lubavitch,safardi and yes Chasidim
And unless they become more inclusive instead of exclusive they will become a historical organization you will be able to read about in books that artscroll will be putting out and their will most probably be a few volumes
Most of the Chassidim ,the grandparents were more or less Agudah affiliated of some sort unless they are BT, as many are. They made it a point of pride competition to race to further themselves from Agudah . That is in spite that Aguda bent over backwards to appease and placate them. And sacrifice their own natural constituencies incessantly in the process
DeleteBut of course it's not enough
It's all about the money, if agudah was giving out money everyone would join the moetzes but that's not the case
ReplyDeleteSo let me get this straight, if Agudah adds Rebbes (let’s do bobov 45 and 48 that’ll be nice) to the Moetzes then they will be relevant in 5 years. But if not, everyone else will disappear and only Rebbes will have power. Interesting take…
ReplyDeleteWhen Rav Mottel Weinberg spoke up at the convention about the taaruves and eating Turkey he was not invited back
ReplyDeleteWhen Rav Aaron Feldman spoke against WZO they took away his keynote slot
when other gedolim said things the baalei batim did not like they would pass notes to keep quiet
Yet when a chasidishe speaks up they apologized and say thank you
They didn't exactly apologize to him and he has no important speaking position to take away. We'll see how quickly he will be invited to speak again.
DeleteSince when does a Rabbi Dr. attorney with a Chassidishe heritage represent those factions he spoke about? He seemed very mad yet provided no proof to any of his claims nor did he speak as one who belongs to those groups. I don't get it.
DeleteThere's one very big difference it is called videos and social media
Deletetoday it is all livestreamed and recorded, agudah can no longer control what goes on by editing or reporting on the convention
There have been in recent years taking some of the videos down and put them back up after serious editing
DeleteR Lazer Ginsburg was uninvited for several years afterwards after mentioning in passing the mingling of genders in the lobbies
DeleteConfirmed: Agudah knew ahead of time about What Twerski was going to say they obviously wanted to get the conversation out there
ReplyDeleteHeard from an insider he told them he would mention the lack of chasidish representation on the moetzes could be the way he said calling it shameful caught them off guard
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