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The Gedolim Listed on the letter have had issues with vaccination before the Virus and it is very possible that they are not pro the new Coveid virus either at least for now when the safety of the vaccine is still questionable..that being said there are no signatures or names or organizations signed or backing this letter just some anonymous "Kehilla Chareidis" which can mean anyone and no one
Well then "The Gedolim" must come out with a definitive statement that nothing said in their name has any neemanus without specific signatures. This is really getting ridiculous. There must be some etype of system put in place to prevent the "hijacking" of names and misuse in this manner. Anyone claiming to be "an ehrlicher yid" involved in creating these type of sheker pronouncements must be identified, publicized, ostracized and summoned to a bais din. That is the only way this tyoe of nonsense will stop.
This is not 'getting' ridiculous at all. Never ever believe things you see on the internet. Never rely on any sign in Shul, unless you see the actual signature of the person whose name is used. And even then, only if you don't have the opportunity to ask your Rav.
No formal medical study has shown any severe potential complications from the vaccine.Please give details on where info on it being a savanna came from.This is a matter of scanis nefashos.
Once you go that route No medical study showed the danger of any type of vaccine and yet the people outside the medical world strongly believe that most vaccines are dangerous and lethal.
People who haven't studied medicine strongly believe that most vaciines are both dangerous and lethal. They also might believe in the flying spaghetti and that the moon landing was faked. People who study these things have debunked every single claim of the anti-vaxxers, quite easily. Yet they come back with the same claims, and simple minded people buy it.
daas yachid, with no signatures. he even misspelled the last names of both Rav Shmuel and Rav Malkiel.(at least they don't sign their names with all the extra vowels)
One of the studies showing potential problem https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/four-volunteers-took-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-developed-bells-palsy-fda-denies-temporary-facial-paralysis-caused-shot/
Head of Pfizer Research: Covid Vaccine is Female Sterilization
December 02, 2020
The vaccine contains a spike protein (see image) called syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition
On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:
The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
like with any vaccine or medication the study is done on rabbits or only animals only then humans may ty it with a low dosage and slowly to increase the dosage under medical care ubtill the desired concentrate is reached. But not to mandate evryone to be the animals in the early stages of the experiment. I guess in the no plastic bag erra. They havee compation on a lonly turtule who may suffacate when will comw in contactg with a plastic shopping bag in a lake. It makes perfect sense. Animal rights.
But the humans will be the first ones to take the vaccines. This is a level lower than Saddam Husein in Iraq where he experimnted on prisonors.
I refuse to believe that those who are named actually authorized their name on this nonsense. Go ahead Lakewood- How many more can you lose?
ReplyDeleteThe Gedolim Listed on the letter have had issues with vaccination before the Virus and it is very possible that they are not pro the new Coveid virus either at least for now when the safety of the vaccine is still questionable..that being said there are no signatures or names or organizations signed or backing this letter just some anonymous "Kehilla Chareidis" which can mean anyone and no one
ReplyDeleteWell then "The Gedolim" must come out with a definitive statement that nothing said in their name has any neemanus without specific signatures. This is really getting ridiculous. There must be some etype of system put in place to prevent the "hijacking" of names and misuse in this manner. Anyone claiming to be "an ehrlicher yid" involved in creating these type of sheker pronouncements must be identified, publicized, ostracized and summoned to a bais din. That is the only way this tyoe of nonsense will stop.
DeleteThey 'must'? Which mitzva is this?
DeleteThis is not 'getting' ridiculous at all. Never ever believe things you see on the internet. Never rely on any sign in Shul, unless you see the actual signature of the person whose name is used. And even then, only if you don't have the opportunity to ask your Rav.
No formal medical study has shown any severe potential complications from the vaccine.Please give details on where info on it being a savanna came from.This is a matter of scanis nefashos.
ReplyDeleteOnce you go that route
DeleteNo medical study showed the danger of any type of vaccine and yet the people outside the medical world strongly believe that most vaccines are dangerous and lethal.
People who haven't studied medicine strongly believe that most vaciines are both dangerous and lethal. They also might believe in the flying spaghetti and that the moon landing was faked.
DeletePeople who study these things have debunked every single claim of the anti-vaxxers, quite easily. Yet they come back with the same claims, and simple minded people buy it.
daas yachid, with no signatures. he even misspelled the last names of both Rav Shmuel and Rav Malkiel.(at least they don't sign their names with all the extra vowels)
ReplyDeleteThere is zero proof that this Vaccine Is safe !
ReplyDeleteIt has just been discovered. Who says it won’t turn out to give cancer or something dangerous??
But there is proof that the virus killed 1.7 million people already !
DeleteWhile miraculously healing the flu.
DeleteOne of the studies showing potential problem https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/four-volunteers-took-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-developed-bells-palsy-fda-denies-temporary-facial-paralysis-caused-shot/
ReplyDeleteHead of Pfizer Research: Covid Vaccine is Female Sterilization
ReplyDeleteDecember 02, 2020
The vaccine contains a spike protein (see image) called syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition
On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:
The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
like with any vaccine or medication the study is done on rabbits or only animals only then humans may ty it with a low dosage and slowly to increase the dosage under medical care ubtill the desired concentrate is reached.
ReplyDeleteBut not to mandate evryone to be the animals in the early stages of the experiment.
I guess in the no plastic bag erra. They havee compation on a lonly turtule who may suffacate when will comw in contactg with a plastic shopping bag in a lake. It makes perfect sense.
Animal rights.
But the humans will be the first ones to take the vaccines.
This is a level lower than Saddam Husein in Iraq where he experimnted on prisonors.
I have a copy of a handwritten letter from R Elya Ber on his stationary denying he ever issuing any letter RE the corona vaccine
ReplyDeleteCorrection R Shmuel
ReplyDelete