- 30 new covid19 cases in Lakewood totals 3455/203
-Lunch distribution at Tashbar 7 pm
-Bingo open tonight till 12:00 am with full sukka selection
- Israel is going into complete lockdown beginning Friday through Simchas Torah
The lockdown is expected to include: closing shuls there would be some minimal exceptions for Yom Kippur) reducing the number of people who can protest, closing all non-essential businesses and markets, reducing public transportation routes halting all flights out of Ben-Gurion Airport, allowing citizens to gather only with their nuclear families.
-Nearly 7,000 new cases in Israel diagnosed in a single day.
-Mayor De Blasio says police and other agencies will crack down on indoor gatherings in the areas of Brooklyn with high uptick in cases.
- Schools mulling to close right after Yom Kippur due to uptick and reopen after sukkos depending on the covid situation.
- New Jersey, two counties would fall in the same category as states on the travel advisory: Gloucester and Ocean. Both have a positive test rate higher than 10 per 100,000 residents, which is one of the things that triggers whether or not a state is added to the travel advisory, according to NJ Advance Media data. (nj.com)
-Feds Threaten Law Suit Over Toms River Religious Zoning Ordinance Township Officials to Enter Negotiations A letter, signed by U.S. Attorney Craig Carpenito and Civil Rights Division in Washington, calls Toms River’s ordinance requiring religious facilities to have at least 7 acres of space noncompliant with the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), which effectively declares any religious uses as beneficial to a community. The letter also specifically addressed the township’s growing Orthdox Jewish community, saying that any negotiations must “address the religious views of Orthdox Jews.”(Source)
-Some cities in Israel announce closures of shuls for Yom Kippur while waiting for the official govt decision later today.
-BMG notifies vendors that the daled minim shuk will be closed this year due to covid19. Initially it was supposed to take place at a outdoor location with guidelines but has since cancelled it.
-Johnson & Johnson is beginning a huge final study to try to prove if a single-dose COVID-19 vaccine can protect against the virus. The study starting Wednesday will be one of the world’s largest coronavirus vaccine studies so far, testing the shot in 60,000 volunteers in the U.S., South Africa, and other countries. Trump on Wednesday tweeted the link to a news report about the Johnson & Johnson study and said the FDA “must move quickly!”
- Shloshim for Rav Yosef Dovid Neuschloss zt"l tomorrow evening at the shul 23 Circle place 8:30 pm
-New York City health officials are warning of a continued COVID-19 uptick in Six Orthodox neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens and issuing “urgent” guidance to residents of those neighborhoods. The spike has occurred over several weeks in Kew Gardens, Edgemere-Far Rockaway, and Williamsburg; and a section of south Brooklyn including Midwood, Borough Park and Mapleton, which the Department is calling the Ocean Parkway Cluster. These four areas are now responsible for 20% of all COVID cases in the city.
- New Jersey, two counties would fall in the same category as states on the travel advisory: Gloucester and Ocean. Both have a positive test rate higher than 10 per 100,000 residents, which is one of the things that triggers whether or not a state is added to the travel advisory, according to NJ Advance Media data. (nj.com)
-Feds Threaten Law Suit Over Toms River Religious Zoning Ordinance Township Officials to Enter Negotiations A letter, signed by U.S. Attorney Craig Carpenito and Civil Rights Division in Washington, calls Toms River’s ordinance requiring religious facilities to have at least 7 acres of space noncompliant with the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), which effectively declares any religious uses as beneficial to a community. The letter also specifically addressed the township’s growing Orthdox Jewish community, saying that any negotiations must “address the religious views of Orthdox Jews.”(Source)
-Some cities in Israel announce closures of shuls for Yom Kippur while waiting for the official govt decision later today.
-BMG notifies vendors that the daled minim shuk will be closed this year due to covid19. Initially it was supposed to take place at a outdoor location with guidelines but has since cancelled it.
-Johnson & Johnson is beginning a huge final study to try to prove if a single-dose COVID-19 vaccine can protect against the virus. The study starting Wednesday will be one of the world’s largest coronavirus vaccine studies so far, testing the shot in 60,000 volunteers in the U.S., South Africa, and other countries. Trump on Wednesday tweeted the link to a news report about the Johnson & Johnson study and said the FDA “must move quickly!”
- Shloshim for Rav Yosef Dovid Neuschloss zt"l tomorrow evening at the shul 23 Circle place 8:30 pm
-New York City health officials are warning of a continued COVID-19 uptick in Six Orthodox neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens and issuing “urgent” guidance to residents of those neighborhoods. The spike has occurred over several weeks in Kew Gardens, Edgemere-Far Rockaway, and Williamsburg; and a section of south Brooklyn including Midwood, Borough Park and Mapleton, which the Department is calling the Ocean Parkway Cluster. These four areas are now responsible for 20% of all COVID cases in the city.
Ballots will be in the mail any day. Stop Lakewood from being besmirched, belittled, and beaten down. Vote out Ray Coles!
ReplyDeleteHashem will be sealing our fates any day. Stop Lakewood from being selfish and lazy. For the sake of the klal, wear masks and keep a distance from others. Root out those self centered ignorant feelings which forget about others' well being.
DeleteWill there be a simchas bais hashoeva this year what about packed shuls on Yom Kippur
ReplyDeleteI just cant figure everyone out. Nearly every neighborhood in Lakewood has people with current Covid symptoms. Many who didnt even test. Nearly every class in Lakewood has some kids who are absent as they have a family member with Covid.
ReplyDeleteI am not recommending that shuls or schools be closed, but rather that we all take precautions.
Precautions have to be made. Every Rov should have a conference with their shul that anyone with any symptoms no matter how small, may not attend shul until they test negative or wait out the days.
The unfortunate situation is that those who dont feel well, dont have any reason not to come to shul, as they are sick already. There is no reason for all of this.
Why make a chillul hashem? why cause unnecessary sickness to other people? why make Ayva?
this is simple bain adom l'chaviro.
Not to mention the people already in the ICU.
DeleteWell said! I would add on that people who trust your local frum erliche doctor, please listen to his advice and wear mask. Not just in the store but also in shul. If you trust your doctor, you are protecting not only your own health, but all those around you as well. While peer pressure is a tough thing to go up against, doing the ratzon Hashen should always win over peer pressure.
DeleteAs long as we have people who are wishful thinkers and say corona is over, or that it doesn't matter because there aren't too many severe cases or that it's a conspiracy against Trump, there will be people who won't take precautions. This is how they justify their lack of consideration and lack of common sense, to put it mildly.
DeleteYES! It would be extremely WISE of ALL Lakewood mosdos, across the board, to close up THIS FRIDAY, and reopen AFTER SUKKOS, Covid-19 conditions permitting. If you see what's going on in New York and R'L in E'Y, where they are contemplating closing shuls for Yom Kippur, we have to nip this uptick in the bud, before it spirals out of control once again. There ARE people getting in for a 2nd time, and more seriously for some than before. Act now, before it's lo oleinu too late!
ReplyDeleteBuddy - the 'bud' was three weeks ago. Now it is way past that. We should have nipped it in the bud when it started. Now we will be doing damage control. Just like we did back in Adar. But then we had the excuse of ignorance. Now we don't.
DeleteWrong. Sukkos get togethers would be like Purim. Shutting down THIS FRIDAY would nip it in the bud.
DeleteDaven for the Rosh Yeshiva rav Shlomo Feivel ben Sara he has corona not too serious bh
ReplyDeleteIf masks work then let the people who are at a high risk take care of themselves. even if they don't let them social distance or take other precautions. Why make everyone else do something because of a percentage of the population? Had we focused on the vulnerable population since the beginning we would have most likely saved lots of lives in the nursing homes. Instead we are pushing to make the entire population do something that they obviously can't be soivel and we end up worse off.
ReplyDeleteFor the comment that all schools should close now for 2 weeks. Are you out of your mind? Why should a Torah learning center ever close? Are you not machshiv Torah at all? Maybe the reason Hashem sent this to us is davka because schools closed for no reason like the siyum hashas. If a school wants to take precautions, such as if your sick stay home, 100% they should enforce that. But to close schools! Absolutely not, never.
It is strange that this has to be repeated, but nobody claimed that masks prevent people from catching an illness. In fact, they are highly inefficient at that. But they prevent people from infecting others. Which is why it is useless to suggest that the 'at-risk' population wear the masks.
DeleteIf most of us wear masks, we will almost certainly save lives. Is that not enough for רחמנים בני רחמנים to forego our political positions and do something for someone else in these times?
Why can't our people be soivel something that everyone else in the world can do? It's really not hard to wear a mask. A bit uncomfortable, but if as our local erlicha frum doctors have told us, this can save lives, isn't it worth a bit of discomfort?
Delete“Why make everyone else do something because of a percentage of the population?” Wow you must learn a ton of mussar daily
DeletePerhaps they will be more protected when the less vulnerable wear masks or at least they won’t feel stigmatized wearing a mask
Hashem yerachem because obviously you have no rachmanus or sense of achrayus. As someone who wears a mask because of the example it sets and to help conquer the peer pressure, I cannot tell you how many people have come over and told me thank you and give a shkoyach even so they are too embarrassed to do it. The evidence suggests that you wearing a mask provides additional protection to others even if they are wearing a mask, so it will even help those high risk individuals who wear masks. Bottom line, is that a mask is not fool proof (like a seatbelt) but the more people wear them the lower the overall risk. It seems like an easy cheshbon, but for some reason its not easy for most people to take on a simple inconvenience even so there is a benefit for the good of yenem, the klal as a whole, themselves, to prevent the closing of yeshivas and shuls and to prevent chillul hashem and even when much of the world has accepted this inconvenience.
DeleteI agree that it can be measured and we have to be cheshboned, but there is no cheshbon, its just "corona is over" or "herd immunity". A cheshbon would perhaps wear masks in crowded shuls and batei medrash where people scream loudly and are in tight quarters, unless they can effectively social distance.
Israel is proof that masks are worthless at all ends. Israel has the strictest mask wearing policies, haven given out tens of thousands of fines and yet covid-wise they are in terrible shape.
DeleteRepeating it doesn't make it make any more sense. The fine rate has nothing to do with the compliance rate. As well as other factors.
DeleteSorry guys but he has a point. We are not matriach the tzibur to benefit yechidim. And wearing masks is a tircha, they are stifling, uncomfortable and hard to concentrate when wearing one.
DeleteIf there would be a real need for all mask minyanim, then those who need them could start covid compliant minyanim. Or make shopping hours for covid compliant. There obviously is not such a demand for it.
This has already been going on for over a month and it has been quite mild. Its all the people who didn't get the 1st time around that are getting it now.
BMG has numerous batei medrash with 1000s on a daily basis, shuls and school are full and it's not spreading as wildly and fatally as the original round.
Everyone stop freaking out, calm down and take a chill.
I don't know what tomorrow will bring, maybe ח"ו something will happen just like the corona virus started out of nowhere and we need to stay vigilant, but the way the numbers are right now it nothing like we experienced the 1st time around.
Thank you @JB
DeleteWe have many cases in the gemara where the chachamim did not do something because ppl wouldn't be soivle it. The facts on the ground are that ppl aren't soivel. Take a look around most ppl don't want to wear it. Even ppl that do are just doing it cuz they don't want anyone to scream at them. I advise everyone to read "the Wave".
Evidence suggesting is not scientific proof. I am maskim if it is a chillul hashem maybe we spoke listen but not for any other reason.
JB - Now is no different to last time. It is not like the second week of Nissan, but the second week of Nidsan was preceded by some weeks before that looked just like now. After Purim, people said the same thing. Everything is fine, only 50 cases etc. Then it exploded. Which is how it works. You are looking at the picture from today, ignoring the future. Now there are less cases, and they are still mild. If we ignore the guidelines now, the chances are that we will not have such a happy Sukkos.
DeleteWe should use the past to guide our future, not pretend that things will happen differently this time, just because we want them to.
By the 2nd week of Nissan we had already been shut down for 2 weeks and no spreading.
DeletePurim there were no confirmed cases, just some rumors about some people not feeling well. Less than a week later we had already shut down and a large percentage of town was already infected (I say 60-70%, could be lower but a very large population) hospitals were full. A month later were already had 50-60 deaths ר"ל. All this was with 1 week of allowing the virus to spread until we shut down.
What we have today is nothing compared to that, not even close. We're hearing of cases since August and everything being open and packed, and the numbers are much lower as well as being much more mild
There were confirmed cases by Purim, but someone made some kind of decision to deny it.
DeleteThe problem is that masks work to protect OTHER people from you, not you from them. That's why the at risk people need YOU to be considerate and wear one.
ReplyDeleteOnly 30 new cases wow the numbers must be going down drasticaly
ReplyDeletedumb comment. the numbers are not accurate. many many people are not testing. people are saying not to test as it will cause a shutdown in lakewood. talk about living in the stone age when people are telling everyone what do do blindly.
Deletei personally know many people who just tested positive within the last few days. ask a school how many kids are absent for sickness. as an employer how many employees are out of work for covid?
I fully agree with the social distancing and masking etc. But since protesters and rioters are anyways going to be given a free pass, it's useless for me to social distance if people will catch it from the rioters who aren't social distancing.
ReplyDeleteIf EVERYONE would mask and social distance, including the rioters, I would too.
2 wrongs make a right? who wants to be sick when it is avoidable?
DeleteAnd again, people's political opinions get in the way of their Seichel.
DeleteThere are no riots or protests in Lakewood. But there are thousands of covid cases, most of them undiagnosed because people don't get tested. And each person who wears a mask can lower the chances of someone else getting it, saving them pain and discomfort, and sometimes even death.
We don't need to fight other people's fights, we need to fight our own.
Not sure why rioters are the hallmark of proper behavior and why that sets the standard for bnei torah. Are you not embarrased to write that comment after the first round when we lost so many gedolei torah and now where at least 2 of the chashuve RY of unzerer velt are sick?
DeleteHowever, if I must address your point from a goyish scientific kuk rather than from torah values, I will note that overall risk outdoors at a riot yelling to no one in particular no matter how many people is much lower risk than indoors at a chasuna with no windows (like most of the halls) saying shalom to your friend over the sound of the band or raising your voice over 200 bochurim in the face of your chavrusa in a crowded beis medrash.
On another note. Six months ago we heard that obesity is a factor in adverse covid effects. Were people careful to lose weight in the last six months? That is something many of us could do, without inconveniencing others.
ReplyDeleteStop the masks, increase the socializing. The only way to stop it is via herd immunity. That's how the previous pandemics in history ended.
ReplyDeleteWe went months with no cases, what changed? We had school, camp, weddings, for months, why now?
If the incubation period is 10-14 days, and we shut down for that time already, why are there cases? Shutdowns don't work.
If masks work, then why in countries with high mask compliance, are there new outbreaks.
And don't tell me the answer is a vaccine. We have HIV for almost 30 years with no vaccine, but this in 4 months we do? How does that make any logical sense to anyone sane?
And if you disagree, there is no need to comment, I already know my opinion isn't popular. This pandemic has brought out the worst in people and has taken all legitimate debate out of the question.
And if Biden knows how to stop it, he should tell the American people how, and stop blaming Trump. He hasn't given any example for what he'd do or done differently. He already said he can't mandate masks.
Great comment! We should follow history and lower life expectancy to what it was in the olden days. Because that is what we are aiming for.
DeleteSheesh! There's a reason death and pestilence are unpopular. Even when couched in terms such as 'herd immunity'. But call it legitimate debate and all is good.
That's not what I said, but you try to sound intelligent without addressing my point, and make the other side sound dumb.
DeleteThe fact is, that pandemics don't last forever, and there is no easy way to shorten them. We've been under lockdown for months, and the country is seeing a surge. This isn't a uniquely Lakewood problem. Shutdowns don't work. Israel had near 0 cases for weeks, and now it's chaos.
Herd immunity is the only non-medical intervention that will effectively halt a pandemic. Its risky for two reasons: firstly, it is likely that some individuals will die in the pursuit of herd immunity, and secondly,it is tenuous: it only works so long as a certain population percentage is immune-move away from a geographic location or experience an influx of new people, the perfect age changes and the protection is gone.
DeleteI believe that only someone with great Rabbinical authority can take responsibility for deciding this to be a community's course of action, not the average fellow.
While we did experience a lull in cases for several weeks, since the end of July, there has been a gradual uptick since. Check hefkervelt's daily postings of new cases, you'll see for yourself. Epidemics work with exponential growth, not linear growth: 1 becomes 2 becomes 4 becomes 8 and before you know it, there seems to be an overnight explosion of cases when 512 becomes 1024 which becomes 2048 (contrast to linear growth-1 becomes 2 becomes 3...)
Shutdowns do minimize virus transmission when implemented properly. We shut down before Pesach and by two weeks after Pesach, there were dramatically fewer new cases (ask your local Hatzolah member to confirm). The deaths unfortunately continued, as deaths will obviously lag new cases. Keep in mind that 10-14 days is sufficient to halt transmission between non-family members, you'd need more time to account for transmission between family members. However, given the imperfections of herd immunity and the resumption of contact with communities that continued to experience cases, we have a second wave (it is also debatable, with our current inaccurate statistics, how close we actually are and ever were to the herd immunity threshhold)
Masks have only been proven to minimize transmission, not eliminate it completely, much as a seatbelt minimizes likelihood of injury in a MVA, but not completely. They are one of the weapons we have in our arsenal, but they cannot completely prevent outbreaks (even the most diehard mask wearer will acknowledge this). Outbreaks can and will continue even with masking and social distancing, the goal is minimization, and the more widespread the use of masking and social distancing, the less probable an outbreak. Nothing is foolproof.
Vivid and HIV cannot be compared. It is virtually impossible to create a vaccine for HIV, as it is a very intelligent virus that mutates rapidly. Contrast to COVID which hasn't mutated significantly enough to change its genetic structure, behavior or response in the nearly year since it's introduction to the world. If (chas vshalom) COVID were to mutate, vaccine development would be a far more complex process than it is already.
I hope that my presentation of these facts will educate you about the realities of this pandemic and you can evaluate if you'd like to change your opinions or not. Your opinion has been based on some faulty premises and I hope you'll construe this response as a logical and legitimate counter.
Let's leave politics out of the scientific discussion. Too many politicians and political doctors have done so already and dividing people further when unity is needed to combat this pandemic is probably the most dangerous proposition of all.
This is what I miss about America.
DeleteIntelligent debate. You have presented an argument for your positions.
What we haven't seen is a cohesive strategy to combat the virus. Economic shutdowns are unsustainable. The objective was to flatten the curve. We've done that ages ago. The continued restrictions are just prolonging the pandemic. If an emergency goes on for an extended timeline it's no longer an emergency. There are those blaming the federal government for a failure to suggest a national strategy, yet when they attempt to, they are rebuffed, and politics are at play. It's time for politics to be taken out of the crisis. If hydroxichloroquine shows promise it should've been properly studied. There are many states that have now quietly allowed it for covid. How many lives were lost because of politics?
Even 1 is 1 too many.
DeleteAgreed that our leaders have failed with lack of cohesive strategy. Politicians are too occupied with infighting to cross the aisle from both sides to overcome a common challenge.
DeleteLockdown have a terrible economic, spiritual and mental health cost, but they definitely save lives. At the beginning, when so little was known about this disease, it was the most prudent course of action (less was also known about the downsides of lockdown, it just seemed inconvenient, now we know the terrible ramifications). At this point, only someone with great Rabbinical authority is qualified to weigh all available and accurate data to identify the least risky and most halachically acceptable option. (And as with much of Torah, there may be several opinions, all which are equally valid if proper psak and mesorah are followed...Eilu v'eilu...)
Everyone can say it over 100 times but no one will listen. While a mask and social distance is not a guarantee that someone won’t get sick, what does it hurt to follow the rules? Is it the same as lots of people driving while holding their phone, or not stopping by a stop sign, parking illegally?? Is it that people have a phobia to follow rules??
ReplyDeleteThese are the same people if the VAAD tells them to vote for someone they do it blindly without thinking. ... but when it comes to safety we are all inbur chachomim .. if people - and everyone would be careful we would be over this magefa
Now wait- the VAAD wants everyone to vote for Ray Coles. That is NOT going to happen! Do we want city hall shut down indefinitely? It's ridiculous! As it was, there were many no-show jobs that certain individuals were paid (and still are) BIG BUCKS for. So long as the Township building is closed, no one will notice or complain. Does anyone even know where Kelly Coles IS, and what she's doing for the Township these days? Yet she, the Mayor's daughter, continues to cash in on big bucks! Vote out Ray Coles! Stop having our tax money ROBBED from us! A total disgrace!
DeleteThe rule in Germany was to exterminate Jews. Not all rules are just and need to be followed.
ReplyDeleteMasks do nothing !
ReplyDeleteThere is zero real evidence .
It’s at most a theory that they may work .
Like the theory of evolution.
All the scientists believe in Evolution.
If you question evolution
your considered an idiot .
And Evolution is nonsense. So are masks
Where is the basis for your comment?? How do you know masks do nothing??
DeleteStop trolling
DeleteSure evolution is nonsense. But then everyone bleats about the virus mutating. So is evolution nonsense or not?
DeleteThere are people here that are spitting nonsense and trying to use a public medium to spread lies and falsehood. There is one fact. 99% of the medical field believes that masks and social distancing can prevent the spread.
DeleteBring me one doctor in lakewood - that people use- that says you dont have to wear a mask. One doctor. not asking for all. - the believe it. Doctors care for their patients life and for the lives of others.
Why not use saichel? are we waiting to have some hits on TLS that there are levaya's in lakewood with noone in attendance? will that give everyone a wake up call?
why does it have to go so far?
Huh? Isn't it logical that if you sneeze or cough into a mask you'd be spreading less germs than if you were to sneeze into the air, or even your sleeve?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
ReplyDeleteAccording to the CDC over the last 8 months the total deaths above expected was 11%. People die all day every day. We have to look at the entire picture.
Yes, but the AGE GROUP OF DEATHS ARE YOUNGER THAN BEFORE! People in their 30's and 40's, and yes even 50's don't typically die of the FLU! Yet with COVID, it's r'l happening a lot!
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