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Tonight: Divrei Hisorerus for the Yomim Noraim 8:45 pm
Rav Don Segal
Rav Dovid Cohen
Rav Asher Arieli
Call in 646-726-9977
- 22 new covid cases in Lakewood totals 3111/199
- Yeshiva Darchei Torah of Far Rockaway informed its parents that the Yeshiva will be closed for in-person learning for the next several days. "As a result of our discussions with the Department of Health, we will be closing the Yeshiva for several days while they conduct their investigation of the COVID-19 cases at the Yeshiva".
-Shloshim Hespedim for Harav Chaim Dov Keller zatzal toninght 8:30 pm at Orchos CHaim hall 410 Oberlin Avenue call in # 563-999-1235 Maspidim: Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin shlita, Rav Shmuel Baddouch shlita, Rav Avrohom Lipschutz shlita, Rav Shmuel Yeshaya Keller shlita
-There are several dozen people participating in a mincha minyan in back of the South Lawn of the white-house following the signing of a peace agreement. (Hamodia)
-UPDATE: If you're traveling to NJ from the following states & territories, you should self-quarantine for 14 days: AL, AK, AR, DE, FL, GA, GU, ID, IL, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MS, MO, MT, NE, NC, ND, OK, PR, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WV, WI
- Up to 2 hour wait at local urgent cares as many test for covid and anti bodies
-1000 people invited to the white house for peace deal signing some locals will be attending
-Humanitarian crisis at Ukrainian border see photos HERE over 200 Breslov Chasidim stuck in no mans land between Belarus and Ukraine as authorities refuse entry. Israeli minister Aryeh Deri pleads with Ukrainian president to allow them in.
-Gelbsteins food box resume this Thursday 7 day box for children 0-5 not receiving from any other provider and a 2 day weekend box for all children 0-18 public or non public.Distribution is at Clifton Ave grade school starting Thursday Sep 17 3:30 pm - 6:30 pm
-Planning board meeting for tonight has been cancelled due to no activity scheduled on this evening
-Jared Kushner gave a Sefer Torah to the King of Bahrainas a gift for the peace deal with Israel
- Report by APP Network Atlantic group Lakewood’s businesses, yeshivas and nonprofits qualified for PPP loans between $155.3 million to $374.3 million in PPP loans the third-highest amount among New Jersey municipalities behind Newark (up to a maximum of $567.4 million) and Edison (up to $560.3 million)
Toms River businesses qualified for up to $150.2 million in PPP loans, according to the data,
Much of the PPP funding in Lakewood went toward schools and businesses catering to its booming Orthodox Jewish population.
Beth Medrash Govoha, qualified for $2 million to $5 million in PPP loans, while a separate BMG organization that donates to local nonprofits qualified for $350,000 to $1 million, the loan records show. Thirty-eight different Jewish private schools in Lakewood qualified for PPP loans totaling $14 million to $35.3 million, many within the $150,000 to $350,000 range. The Lakewood Cheder School and the School for Children with Hidden Intelligence each qualified for loans between $2 million and $5 million.
BMG President Rabbi Aaron Kotler said the school faced the possibility of layoffs due to the pandemic, but the PPP loans severely limited the impact to a “small number that didn't have functions and went on furlough."
"We're not only a higher education institution — we're an employer," Kotler said. “Being able to provide reassurance for families that they're not going to be out of work, that they're going to be able to pay their mortgages and their bills … I can't overstate the value of that.
“This was absolutely a life-saving program,” said Menashe Miller, the deputy mayor in Lakewood who also is executive director of the township’s Chamber of Commerce. the high total for township employers is a reflection of Lakewood's large size and its coordinated effort to help local businesses and institutions. (APP)
How do schools have no issue with charging full tuition for the months that there was no school and kids were stuck at home while they collected ppp loans. The parents should get a tuition credit for those months.
ReplyDelete@ANONYMOUS when a grocery store received ppp loans they still charge for their goods and services. no one expects free pizza from the pizza shop when they received their ppp loans. No one expects their accountant to do their taxes for free because of htheir ppp loans. the pandemic has had a large effect on schools and businesses. our children's tuition is below the costs to educate our children. schools still have to rely on other sources of funds to cover their budgets.
ReplyDeleteThe grocery, pizza shop, and accountant all performed the job they were asked to do at the price agreed upon. The schools, while performing yeoman's work with herculean effort, did not.
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DeleteSchool tuituin is comparable to the grocer charging me when I didnt shop. Your answer makes no sense.
I hope my husband does not teach any of your children. Or that your children don't get a wind of your opinion. If you would only know the crazy amount of effort put in by him, and the other rebbeim, to make the Corona period a positive one for the students...
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DeleteYou either have no children in school or are simply clueless about what it took to keep the classes going remotely.
I am just a parent, I don't work for any school but I saw what kind of effort the rabbeim and teachers put into the classes they were giving remotely.
They certainly deserve a bonus, not derision.
I don't understand the complaints here.
DeleteThe store could not stay open because the sales were so much lower, because of the coronavirus. So they received money from the government to stay afloat, for the sales that were NOT made.
The schools stayed open, charging full tuition. Then they received money from the government on top of that, for the same services.
The schools may not be obligated to use that money in lieu of tuition, I am not a Dayan. But if they use the answer "we are a business", they may see that coming to bite them at their next fundraising event.
No. They use the answer, we are not a business and we have deficits in both every day exoenses and deficits in building funds for new classroons and buildings. These deficits are caused by parents not paying their share . Out of town tuitions are 15,000 to 25,000 per child because parrnts pay their share. So if the school needs 2 million dollars to build more classroons and also needs to schnor to.osy their teachers because parents don't osy enough. and the government gives them 200,000 why can't they use that money for that purpose, unless every parent steps up and pays their full share. Yes in that case if the school has surplus funds im sure they will gladly share the surplus with their full paying parents.
DeleteOut of town tuition is through the roof, because A. the Chol program is top-notch, B. they are top heavy with administrators and who knows who making money off it.
DeleteNo school in Lakewood has a deficit, it is a myth. The school owners are doing fine. Parents pay, and when they find a fish who is willing to get caught, they pay more.
'Their share' is exactly how much they are charged.
How do parents have no issue paying 30 per cent less than what it costs to educate their child ? Where does it say a school has to borrow and schnorr so the parent can send their kids to camp, and buy 650,000 duplexes and support their kids in Kollel on the cheshbon of the school ? The schools that I know, the vast kajority pay the minimum tuition and only a small handful pay the full cost.
ReplyDeleteThe schools did not provide a service. It goes both ways if schools can dictate to parents how to live their lives than the schools must allow the parents a full say how to run the school, but that never happens.
DeleteNot everyone sent their kids to camp, nor do they have 650000 duplexes or support kids in Kollel, and they still have a hard time paying tuition.
DeleteNot sure what school you send to. But my kids Mesivtas and my daughters high schools had almost full time teaching on the phones and teachers worked harder than normal as teaching in the phone is harder. The offices had to hire extra secretaries to keep up with the constant flow of packet pickups. The staff got paid fully even if some parents affected by Covid didn't pay. The principals and hanhala put in double the hours.
Delete"Humanitarian crisis "?!
ReplyDeleteWhere are they fleeing from?!
Ignorant commenters
DeleteSome schools worked harder than others but they all got paid from the PPP loans so why double dip and ask parents to pay for those months.
ReplyDeleteWhy they do it? because no one will stop them
DeleteIn most heimishe schools the PPP loans didn't cover even one month of tuition ,due to the oifanim that the many teachers and Rebeim want to be paid. Also not one school got their loans forgiven yet ,and its an unknown if the loans will be fully forgivenor not . Also, if you only pay 70 per cent of what it costs ,why shoukd you get anything back when all the school git is maybe a little bit towards the deficit that your tuition is not covering .
ReplyDeleteIts interesting. I appreciate my kids schools. I also send to a school where 90 per cent pay closer to minimum tuition than to full. So the only ones double dipping are the parents who don't pay their fair share and still find money to send their kids to camp and go on summer vacations. And then if the school has the audacity to get a few dollars once in 15 years to alleviate a small portion of the deficit caused by the parents not paying enough ,then the parents want to get their hands on that money. What a chutzpah.
ReplyDeleteWhere do these numbers come from? 'Minimum tuition' and 'full tuition'? They are arbitrary numbers, based on how much they think they will get from people. The $4000 per year is 'full tuition', because the school was willing to do the job for that amount.
DeleteThere is no deficit, don't let people fool you. No school owner goes home hungry.
What school has only $4k tuition. I have sent my children to 5 schools and tuition was significantly higher than that by all of them
DeleteIf anybody feels that a school is a service and not a joint chinuch effort by parents, and because the service is a little degraded they want to pay less by all means go ahead and do that. But then next year be ready to pay the absolute full cost like any other service. No reduced tuitions . Pay for the cost of the buildings also.
ReplyDeleteStill waiting for BMG to give out the $3,000,000 that were for students for COVID hardships. My other child received the government money from the school. Why didnt BMG give it out???
ReplyDeleteRabbi Treffs yeshiva gave parents a months tuition credit.
ReplyDeleteIts very nice. That yeshiva got special stimulus funds as a college . And maybe they have where to give it from. Not every Mosad is the same financially.
Deletethere is no reason any school in Lakewood cant afford to give $750 refund per child.
Deletetuition alone covers the budget PLUS 30% more on average. Thats before all the money they made on Corona
You obviously have never been involved in any Yeshiva administration. Your statement is the furthest from the truth. Tuition doesn’t come close to covering a budget let alone 30% extra.
DeleteWill Agudah condemn Darchei for ignoring health rules the same way they condemned a chasidisha yeshiva in Willimasburg
ReplyDeleteI saw my child's schools books regarding the PPP loan.
ReplyDelete1. The total amount of the loan is about one months tuition.
2. It was not forgiven yet and there is concern as to the rules and if it will be fully forgiven.
3.Most of the parents pay a very reduced tuition and the annual deficit for running the school ,is much more than one months tuition .
4. In addition to the annual operating deficit ,the school has huge loans for the building that they need to pay back. They also need to raise more money to expand.
5. The parent body is very not responsive to cover the building fund deficits ,with the exception of a small few wealthier parents.
6. So why should parents be entitled to get anything back ,when all the teachers were paid in full and they still have deficits from parents not paying enough tuition ?
Schools should open the books to their parent body just as tuition committees want all your financial information
ReplyDeleteThey dont have to open the books for anyone to figure out that the school owners of 2020 have figured out how to make one of the most profitable business's out of non profits.
DeleteIts basic math.
But please realize they're doing you a favor.
People in Far Rockaway need to move along... Lakewood has been doing great leading the way with his Covid. Yes there are hickups but we need to move along...
ReplyDeleteIs there a recording of the Divrei Hisorerus? I didn't see the post in time and missed it.
ReplyDelete7323636713 or
DeleteRecordings will be available on the Chayeinu Hotline 732-301-4043 Press 3, 1
I find human nature interesting. People are indignantly defending school administrators. In the seasonal spirit, they cannot countenance any negativity against these people (even though nobody wrote which school they were referring to, and some did return money or lower tuition).
ReplyDeleteFor that end, they are belittling countless yungeleit and families, insulting them and judging their motives. What about Rosh Hashana that is coming up? Is their blood less red than that of school administrators?
its the administrators defending themselves
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