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Saturday, December 25, 2021
TU: Pledge to Raise $25 Million for Morah's Salaries
Tonight at the Torah Umesorah presidents conference the topic to increase Morah's salaries was addressed. A announcement was made with a Pledged to raise $25 million for Morah's.
They made the same announcement a few years ago about the simcha fund to raise ten thousand for chasunas for rebbeim. How did that work out nothing happened and they raised tuition by thousands of dollars.
I know many Rabbayim and Morahs who got 10 grand for their children’ s wedding. Just because it was not in the Yated does not mean they did not get it.
I give my sons' yeshivos substantially more donations than my girls' schools. For one reason: the owners of girls schools seem to be living quite well which suggests that what everyone says about how they are money makers is true. So aside from capital campaigns to build buildings they make money on everyday basis.
I think what's being done to morahs borders on being criminal but the people doing it are the owners of the schools who live unbelievably well (I have two for neighbors).
Unfortunately I agree with you 100%. As a vendor who sells to schools, I can see that there is much more careless spending at girls schools then there is at boys schools.
Girls high schools are the toughest to run financially.They have multiple teachers for various subject and high school teachers pay is higher than elementary school. they also don't get as many donations as boys schools get.
Although to be honest, my infor is coming from about 5 years ago, before they had 40 girls in each class, maybe with the larger classes, the economics have changed
Schools are private businesses and the owners are entitled to do what they want. If we dont have community schools you can not demand oversight from private individuals
I did not like how the balle batim up there said no we wont show books of the girl schools (Private mosed) how they are getting millions from the government and are doing fine and could increase salary but no we wont show anyone our books. What are they hiding? If it so desperate wouldn't you want to show the world how it is not possible to give a nice raise?? Something smells rotten
Remember, building funds are collected for privately owned girls schools too. In essence, they are fundraising a building they get to profit off in the long run.
Instead of giving the money to the girls school. Open accounts directly for the Morahs and English teachers. Also start demanding oversight on spend with a cap how much an owner can take out
Remember by the last convention they made they promise to build wedding halls in Lakewood that would be free for Rabbeim - and everyone clapped - what happened nothing. We are sick and tired of them throwing ideas out and doing nothin but taking credit if others end up doing it.
Fact. The one and only true non-profit community school in Lakewood is the Lakewood Cheder. The other private schools - especially those with banquet facilities - provide their owners, founders, trustees, or whatever else they want to call themselves with a very generous annual income.
The Cheder/ Bais Faiga are no longer a community school once they stopped accepting regular children in Lakewood. They lost that communal status by becoming exclusive. Instead of buying up real estate let them increase salaries for rebbeim and teachers
Fact again. The one and only true non-profit community school in Lakewood is the Lakewood Cheder. The school is not owned or controlled by a single owner, founder, trustee, or whatever else they want to call themselves. There is an entire legitimate Board of Directors (which are givers not takers) in control.
Just because your kid or someone else's kid was not accepted does not in any way detract from this statement. If you have an issue or are disgruntled, you have the right to take it up with anyone on the Board and perhaps it will help. (According to your logic, practically every other community organization would also not meet your criteria, as there are always people that disagree with their decisions on any number of community-related issues.)
Keep in mind, that it is beyond obvious that the building facilities do not have the capacity to accept everyone. The physical size limits this ability. So, if there was still room in a class to add more students after having already accommodated the siblings - I would presume that the determination was made that your child would do better in one of the dozens of other schools in town. Organization leaders have to, at times, make decisions which are not to everybody's liking. Those are the facts of life.
Additionally, if you're a newcomer moving here from outside the Lakewood community, then not having assured an appropriate schooling arrangement prior to transplanting your family - where schooling was available - is not good parenting, and would necessitate a whole different conversation.
Lastly, The Cheder is not in the business of "buying up real estate" as you callously put it. We all know that. What they are doing, thanks to the visionaries involved with this citadel of torah education, is acquiring more space and expanding their capacity so they can indeed provide the much needed education for the many other students wanting to get their chinuch from The Cheder. And for that, you should be thanking them instead of kvetching.
You can say Fact Fact Fact but it wont chang the fact that the Cheder/BF is no longer a community school when they dont accept born and bred Lakewood children even those whose, father is learning in BMG. Their may be new young blood on board but to this day it is no longer what it was when it started out.
It is also a big open secret that slots are sold to gevirim to get children into the "non profit community school". You have out of towners who recently moved that were able to get in and some with the assistance of a 50k check along with the application thats fine it is called Business as usual but dont pound your chest that it is a non for profit community school when the actions show differently.
Is the application acceptance process fair for a community school or is it pull protekzia and gelt
Why are there no scholarships given to the struggling parents if it is a community non profit school? What about increasing the salaries?
It is nice to be visionaries and buy land to make room for the natural growth and to make room for high schools for the graduating classes but dont pretend that the community owes anything to a school that is one of many servicing the community. That ship has long sailed
Many of the private schools building big simcha halls (not The Cheder) get private investors to partner with them. Don't kid yourself. It's a lucrative business.
When joining a school I negotiated down the tuition by $100 and instead give the difference to the teachers Chanukah and other Yomim Tovim. Each teacher gets about $1000 throughout the year.
Dont hold your hopes too high this is all but s Sound bite for good PR in the end they will raise tuition on patents who can not afford it.
ReplyDeleteSecondly how far will 25 million go will it cover more than a year or so
The morahs wont see a penny.
ReplyDeleteThey made the same announcement a few years ago about the simcha fund to raise ten thousand for chasunas for rebbeim. How did that work out nothing happened and they raised tuition by thousands of dollars.
ReplyDeleteI know many Rabbayim and Morahs who got 10 grand for their children’ s wedding.
DeleteJust because it was not in the Yated does not mean they did not get it.
I give my sons' yeshivos substantially more donations than my girls' schools. For one reason: the owners of girls schools seem to be living quite well which suggests that what everyone says about how they are money makers is true. So aside from capital campaigns to build buildings they make money on everyday basis.
ReplyDeleteI think what's being done to morahs borders on being criminal but the people doing it are the owners of the schools who live unbelievably well (I have two for neighbors).
Unfortunately I agree with you 100%.
DeleteAs a vendor who sells to schools, I can see that there is much more careless spending at girls schools then there is at boys schools.
Girls high schools are the toughest to run financially.They have multiple teachers for various subject and high school teachers pay is higher than elementary school. they also don't get as many donations as boys schools get.
DeleteAlthough to be honest, my infor is coming from about 5 years ago, before they had 40 girls in each class, maybe with the larger classes, the economics have changed
Schools are private businesses and the owners are entitled to do what they want. If we dont have community schools you can not demand oversight from private individuals
ReplyDeleteI did not like how the balle batim up there said no we wont show books of the girl schools (Private mosed) how they are getting millions from the government and are doing fine and could increase salary but no we wont show anyone our books. What are they hiding? If it so desperate wouldn't you want to show the world how it is not possible to give a nice raise?? Something smells rotten
ReplyDeleteRemember, building funds are collected for privately owned girls schools too. In essence, they are fundraising a building they get to profit off in the long run.
DeleteInstead of giving the money to the girls school. Open accounts directly for the Morahs and English teachers.
ReplyDeleteAlso start demanding oversight on spend with a cap how much an owner can take out
Perhaps parents should pay tuition to a central board, who will then run the schools and pay the teachers. Sounds like a Russian experiment.
DeleteRemember by the last convention they made they promise to build wedding halls in Lakewood that would be free for Rabbeim - and everyone clapped - what happened nothing.
ReplyDeleteWe are sick and tired of them throwing ideas out and doing nothin but taking credit if others end up doing it.
Fact. The one and only true non-profit community school in Lakewood is the Lakewood Cheder. The other private schools - especially those with banquet facilities - provide their owners, founders, trustees, or whatever else they want to call themselves with a very generous annual income.
ReplyDeleteThe Cheder/ Bais Faiga are no longer a community school once they stopped accepting regular children in Lakewood. They lost that communal status by becoming exclusive. Instead of buying up real estate let them increase salaries for rebbeim and teachers
DeleteFact again. The one and only true non-profit community school in Lakewood is the Lakewood Cheder. The school is not owned or controlled by a single owner, founder, trustee, or whatever else they want to call themselves. There is an entire legitimate Board of Directors (which are givers not takers) in control.
DeleteJust because your kid or someone else's kid was not accepted does not in any way detract from this statement. If you have an issue or are disgruntled, you have the right to take it up with anyone on the Board and perhaps it will help. (According to your logic, practically every other community organization would also not meet your criteria, as there are always people that disagree with their decisions on any number of community-related issues.)
Keep in mind, that it is beyond obvious that the building facilities do not have the capacity to accept everyone. The physical size limits this ability. So, if there was still room in a class to add more students after having already accommodated the siblings - I would presume that the determination was made that your child would do better in one of the dozens of other schools in town. Organization leaders have to, at times, make decisions which are not to everybody's liking. Those are the facts of life.
Additionally, if you're a newcomer moving here from outside the Lakewood community, then not having assured an appropriate schooling arrangement prior to transplanting your family - where schooling was available - is not good parenting, and would necessitate a whole different conversation.
Lastly, The Cheder is not in the business of "buying up real estate" as you callously put it. We all know that. What they are doing, thanks to the visionaries involved with this citadel of torah education, is acquiring more space and expanding their capacity so they can indeed provide the much needed education for the many other students wanting to get their chinuch from The Cheder. And for that, you should be thanking them instead of kvetching.
I hope you don’t run your finances like you pen your brilliant comment.
DeleteYou can say Fact Fact Fact but it wont chang the fact that the Cheder/BF is no longer a community school when they dont accept born and bred Lakewood children even those whose, father is learning in BMG. Their may be new young blood on board but to this day it is no longer what it was when it started out.
DeleteIt is also a big open secret that slots are sold to gevirim to get children into the "non profit community school". You have out of towners who recently moved that were able to get in and some with the assistance of a 50k check along with the application thats fine it is called Business as usual but dont pound your chest that it is a non for profit community school when the actions show differently.
Is the application acceptance process fair for a community school or is it pull protekzia and gelt
Why are there no scholarships given to the struggling parents if it is a community non profit school? What about increasing the salaries?
It is nice to be visionaries and buy land to make room for the natural growth and to make room for high schools for the graduating classes but dont pretend that the community owes anything to a school that is one of many servicing the community.
That ship has long sailed
Many of the private schools building big simcha halls (not The Cheder) get private investors to partner with them. Don't kid yourself. It's a lucrative business.
ReplyDeleteWho is on the cheder board???
ReplyDeleteZeldes. Geller. Gruss. Rokowsky. Millet. Rapaport. Zelikovitz.
DeleteNo one is getting rich of the cheder thats why it is non profit
DeleteWhy is it ok to publicize videos of mixed seating event with a lady speaking at torah umesorah as if they care about chinuch habanos
ReplyDeleteI did not see anything like that. Are you making this up?
DeleteGeller, Gruss and Millet are off the Vaad for many years already
ReplyDeleteJust a small idea.
ReplyDeleteWhen joining a school I negotiated down the tuition by $100 and instead give the difference to the teachers Chanukah and other Yomim Tovim. Each teacher gets about $1000 throughout the year.
Try it.