Updated: Delegation leaves the office of Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch shlita after consulting with him for 2 hours. There' were reports of discussions regarding the Lakewood BMG freezer will be shortened to 2 months however there were no Roshei yeshiva or any BMG representatives consulted according to LNN report.. Other details have not been made public more meetings will take place in the coming months.
Rav Yuddy Svei, Novominsker Rebbe and askan Menashe Frankel of Lakewood.
That's interesting, how a delegation that has nobody from BMG, decided for BMG when the freezer should open!?
ReplyDeleteWhat an interesting delegation, since when did Menachem Frankel become a Rosh Yeshiva??
ReplyDeleteWhy is there no picture of the gedolim learning on the plane
ReplyDeleteThat's only for Israeli gedolim coming to the US
DeleteHow about putting the girls in the freezer - Seriously, does any girl need to get married before she is 20? Anything wrong with getting married and having some money in the bank? Is it even good for girls to get married when they are on a spiritual high from seminary?
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DeleteIndeed, who needs those extra Jews who are born by 19-year-old kallahs. (I'm being sarcastic; you are a bunch of Reshaim).
DeleteYup that will solve any problem much quicker.
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Delete23-24 till the backlog clears up, or till we figure out the real reason.
DeleteThis campaign blaming everything on the freezer is coming from anonymous askanim who are hiding behind their names using media outlets to attack BMG and Rav Malkiel.
ReplyDeleteDon't be fooled by their PR and attempts to Sabotage the Yeshiva system in the name of helping the shidduch crisis.
The constant undermining of our holy yeshivos is a tremendous kitrug on klal Yisrael and will do more damage to the shidduch crisis.
Absolutely ending freezer will make the issue worse.
DeleteIt will also cause bochorim to start going out later not earlier
Sweety, we don't worship Yeshivas. Nobody and nothing is above halacha. You are holy only insofar as you are run according to the Torah.
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This has nothing to do with the shidduch crisis you are attacking the yeshivos dobu go around making sure all working boys marry at 18 or u only blame the yeshiva.
Delete1:42,
DeleteWhere is the source for that?
The leaders of previous generations obviously wouldn't take it literally
The freezer is NOT the problem if it gets eliminated the parents will still have lists ro choose from and will start complilng it prior to the return from Eretz Yisrael.
ReplyDeleteThe knock on the freezer is pure sinas Am Haaretz to talmidei chachomim who will blame everything on the Roshei yeshivos.
We are living in dangerous times where the sinas hatorah is strong against the Adirei Hatorah.
Let us stand up for kavod hatorah and call out all those behind this nasty campaign
Was Rav Chaim Kanievsky an Am Haaretz, chas veshalom?
DeleteTalmidei Chachamim are the ones against the freezer. Speak to them. Not those who inherited plum jobs, but actual people who spent their lives learning.
DeletePlease don't compare Rav Chaim Kanievsky to the current campaign when no one follows Reb Chaim that boys get married at 18.
DeleteThe unamed askanim have been badmouthing the yeshivos for the last 20 years and blaming all of klal Yisroels ills on the yeshivos. They are using the chazon Ish and Rav Chaim Kanievsky to justify their dirty campaign that has no proof to fix the shidduch issue.
Let's not get fooled by them.
Are you claiming Rav Moshe Hillel an Am Haaretz, that he is taking the freezer into question? Anything not aligned with BMG is called Am Haaretz? The gedolim of Eretz Yisrael signed many years ago against the freezer
DeleteI don't know the details, but I trust that if the Rosh Yeshiva says it, he properly vetted the issue. If that's not the case, then we are sheep being led by fools. I am not yet ready to accept that.
ReplyDeleteYou all missed the point.
ReplyDeleteEnding the freezer will be way for askanim to pat themselves on the back and say we did something, and it'll take the pressure off of BMG from enacting an age barrier. It's a win-win. All the media outlets will write how smart they are and what got accomplished, all while making no substantive changes.
I am not a great fan of the freezer, but something doesn't make sense here.
ReplyDeleteBoys and girls enter primary with the same cutoff date.
They leave 12th grade at the same age. One year later, the girls are ready for shiduchim.
Five years later, the boys are ready for Shiduchim. The boys from five years ago are less in number than the girls from this year, causing a problem.
How does the freezer factor in? If the freezer lasted a year, it would add a sixth year to exacerbate the issue. But now it is only a few months, it is still the same cohort of boys that are available for the same number of girls. Making them available earlier shouldn't help anything.
Am I missing something?
Don't get me wrong, the freezer is wrong for many other reasons. But I don't get how a girl will be helped through this.
There are some people out there who’s only agenda is to stop the freezer. The chutzpadige attitude how they speak about our yeshiva and Roshei Yeshiva ought to make you stop and think, do they really care about Bnos Yisroel or do they just hate our Roshei Yeshiva. They are disingenuous and dishonest when they say well all the Gedolay Hatorah from EY encouraged bochurim to marry young. The Gedolim wanted boys to marry young because of kedusha issues nothing else.
ReplyDeleteMany gedolim in Eretz Yisrael held it was assur to have a freezer
DeleteYou seem to have one agenda- protect anything that goes on in BMG. You do not seem to care one bit about older singles
DeleteIt's all a lie
ReplyDeletehttps://lnnnews.com/shidduchim-solutions-whats-on-the-table/
BMG not policies not involved in any discussion. It's a lie spread by the haters in order to "blame" BMG afterwards.
Boycott the haters
Who still thinks we shouldn't boycott this malicious slander garbage website?
DeleteCall hatzolah tomchei shabbos and let them know what they are supporting.
DeleteThe only way they learn is with your pocket
I thought it was only Lakewood scoop, LNN is also bad?? Ugh. #Outoftown
DeleteAnon 5:52. This LNN accurate story shows that lakewoodpoop story about freezer is all just a fabrication and hate agenda.
DeleteAn American elderly seasoned Talmid Chochom advised me when I discussed with him my son who was only 20 at the time but very mature and already a shtikel Talmid chochom that he should get married asap. When he saw my shock and I questioned him that he’s only 20 he answered that Bochurim should get married young because it will save them from sinning! Is that a cheshbon for Americans that a wife is a protective wall and boy can learn ืืืืจื?! Today’s street and environment demand change even just for this ืขื ืื! IMHO
ReplyDeleteGood thing your son is a talmid chacham, and you are not. Because this cheshbon was already made thousands of years ago, by people smarter than you.
DeleteNice! Straight out of Nasi project brochure.
Deletehttps://www.meaningfulpeoplepodcast.com/podcast/episode/1a16b285/tzipora-grodko-or-there-is-no-shidduch-crisis
DeleteSo much for the fakewood poop not reporting on BMG...
ReplyDeleteIs it confirmed that Nasie project is behind this?
I learnt in BMG , I and many others support the freezer it give the bachurim time to acclimate and learn without distractions. Let bochurim come back from eretz yisroel earlier to shorten the 'age' before going out. Freezer is a good thing.
ReplyDeleteFreezer is a small problem only a few months. Also a lot of serious bochurim will still give themselves a self imposed freezer to get acclimated to a new yeshiva. My daughter doesn’t even want a boy who just stepped off the plane she’s working for 3 years already has a masters degree and these boys are babies who have just lived in a dirah running wild , they can use a few months to settle
ReplyDeleteDitto.Agree with both previous
ReplyDeleteWe all agree that eliminating the freezer will probably not resolve anything. The question is, will it make it worse. Unlikely. Going to EY earlier though, is a much more major change.
DeleteThe shidduch crises and age gap is a hoax to cover the real problem that Bais Medrish Roshey Yeshivos still brain wash the bochurim to marry for one thing, and one thing only, MONEY! No matter how nice a girl sounds, if there is no big money, drop her
ReplyDeleteNO sure where you get the information about marrying for money. Not true at all. Yes, boys would like financial support to learn a few years. Issue is, at this point there are many 'bais' bochurim looking for support to learn for over five years when they should be learning short term and move on. Very cut and paste system without much personal guidance.
DeleteMoney is old farbissenkeit from 1980s the olam moved on beyond that. Bochurim are looking for support and the wives have good jobs
DeleteHave a warm tea and a comfortable seat. Maybe get your aide to change your depends.
DeleteRich people have the same difficulties in shiduchim as everyone else.
We have plenty of money! And will support generously. My daughter is dating for two years and barely gets any dates ( it’s been almost a year since she dated). Many of her friends from poor homes (fathers rabbeim, roshei kollel , kashrut etc.) are married for a long time already. In my experience poor girls get married at the same rate as rich girls. Hashem decides when.
ReplyDeleteYour daughter ๐ท
ReplyDeleteThe Gedolim in EY where and are opposed to the freezer - TRUE, but not because of the shidduch crisis. They are opposed to the freezer because of kedusha issues. Let’s not mish this altogether.
ReplyDeleteWho cares what the reason is? At the end of the day, it is wrong.
DeleteIf seems to agree that today even a week boy in BMG is asking to be supported for at least 5 years. Well
ReplyDelete5 x $24,000 (min) = $120,000! How many people have $120,000 PER DAUGHTER ? Why is this not called looking for MONEY??
You are not giving it all at once . You don’t need to be super wealthy to give 2k a month. I understand that it’s not doable for everyone but neither do you need to be VERY well off to swing that. If you calculate all the tuition you pay over the years would also be an astronomical amount but you don’t pay it all at once.
DeleteIt seems our leaders think a 22 year old doesn't have an animal soul,EY knows Better
ReplyDelete"Better a Rasha who knows he's a Rasha,than a Tzadik who knows he's a Tzadik"
ReplyDeleteBecause it is being used unfairly to attack the Roshei Yeshiva for establishing the freezer. The Roshei Yeshiva are well aware of the Mishna Ben Shmonah Esrai L’chupa and are well aware of the nisyonos out there. They are carrying forward the great mesorah of Rav Ahron and Rav Shneur Zecher Tzadikim Livrocho.
ReplyDeleteReb Aaron and Reb Shneur had a freezer? Besides, the nisyonos nowadays are far greater than previous generations, while learning after marriage is more accepted and achievable.
DeleteIf we find Gedolim going against halacha, there is only one explanation. It could be that they understood - for some reason unknown to us - that the halacha didn't apply to their talmidim. If so, we can't apply it nowadays, when the situation is clearly different. The other option is to claim that chas v'shalom the Gedolim felt that halacha from Chazal is no longer binding. Chalilah to believe such a possibility. But if that is what you believe, then they are no longer Gedolim. A Gadol is a Gadol because he listens to Chazal. If he doesn't, he is not a Gadol.
The freezer is wrong, but the nisyonos today are no different from the olden days. Bochurim had hormones in the Mir, Telz, Kaminetz, and post-war Lakewood, Ponovezh, Brisk, and Mir. All wanted the same thing, and nothing substantively changed. People have always been saying 'Nisyonos nowadays', and I am older than the internet.
DeleteThere are certain industries based on the idea that 'today is different'. They do so for their own business purposes. Those who are on their payroll should believe their propaganda. The rest of us, who don't get paid through their accounts, should have more sechel than that.
Did 80% of Telzers in Europe look at inappropriate materials on the internet?
DeleteRegardless, if you insist that in Telz they were ignoring halacha, then you shouldn't be following that mesorah. Why should you respect a group that (in your misguided perception) doesn't respect Chazal?
ending the freezer will help stop the shortage of rental cars from tu bshvat biz soif zman, and it will help business in the beginning of the zman
ReplyDeleteThe "master’s degree" & all the special ed analyzing & psych degrees & degrees are the biggest cause of the Shidduch crisis IMHO. Look at any resume (another cause of the problem, Resumes) of the girls almost 40 & just above & see if you find one not practicing Special Ed or Phycology Social worker etc. or with a shopping list of degrees. Read the goyish book babies Versus carrier, and see how damaging degrees are to a shidduch.
ReplyDeleteLet me know how someone whose job is to find the chisaron in someone else & try to fix it, can possibly meet a bochur & it will work, for one he will sense he is being analyzed, that will put him off, if it doesn't by the time, she finishes analyzing she will find something wrong, no one is perfect after all.
IMHO stooping unmarried girls getting degrees, will help a lot to solve the shidduch crisis, just look around & see who got left out.
It would not take any special to discern from your comment that you're an illiterate fool. You struggle to express your thoughts in a coherent manner and I sincerely question whether you yourself even know what you want.
DeleteThe degrees that they earn don't make them analyze their dates any more than they would anyhow, nor do they encourage them not to get married. All they do is enable them to support their husbands and families once their married without being taken advantage of by employers who treat them like second class citizens.
Nice try, but perhaps leave the problem solving to others.
I am a single girl in my 40’s. I never had the opportunity to get my degree. I look at these girls and I see that they have found purpose and mission in their daily lives even though they have not found their bashert yet. They have money to help out their siblings and other worthy causes in Klal Yisroel, supporting Torah in other ways. They are making a difference in other people’s lives daily by their skills, helping needy children, at risk kids and seniors at nursing homes. While I’m still making minimum wage and barely get looked at by Shadchanim because I don’t have a degree listed in my resume and sometimes need the extra support from my family.
DeleteBe happy that they are giving to Klal Yisroel and supporting Torah and other worthy causes rather than sitting at home depressed.
DeleteCan't find this book, post a link
DeleteThis whole eretz Yisrael trip campaign flopped on its face
ReplyDeleteA few balabatim tried pulling a fast one while leaking fake news to the poop
The olam saw right through the lies
and agenda driven campaign
The mainstream roshei yeshiva that have full yeshivos are not on board with these shenanigans
R Slomowitz is not a mainstream R Yeshiva with a full Yeshiva????
ReplyDeleteWhen was the last time someone got engaged there?
DeleteHe teaches 9th grade his shtella is protected. They want to knock out 12th grade magidei shiur
DeleteLearning without money responsibilities, or getting married and learning without yetzer hora is an age old question.
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Rashi isn't talking about someone who is committing sins because he isn't married. Not all hirhur is considered a sin. What we have in our situation is people committing actual sins because they aren't married.
ReplyDeleteIn addition, it isn't clear that Rashi is discussing someone who is older than 19 (See, Sefer Shem Mishimon).
In addition, with modern technology and cleaning help, many yungeleit are free to learn three sedarim. I am not saying every yungerman can afford a full-time cleaning lady, but there are enough yungeleit who have a rich father or rich shver, so what's their hetter?
In addition, we need to go with what the Shulchan Aruch and all the poskim say especially since some say Rashi is a Parshan, not a Posek (Beis Yosef, Orach Chaim siman 10).
Look in Darkei Moshe siman 10 (4) it seems he holds Rashi is a poisek ..
DeleteI said "some" say Rashi isn't a posek. The Darchei Moshe does imply that Rashi can be used as a snif, but not as a shitah by itself (that's why he says, it's 3 against 1, and "additionally, Rashi was mifareish like them").
DeleteIf we have 3 against 1 , why is what Rashi holds relevant ? Even if Rashi would hold like the 1, it would be 3 against 2? Someone suggested, Rashi is a strong shita and Rashi shita as 1 of 2 would be stronger than 3 ...
DeleteYeshiva boys always got married mid twenties or later.
ReplyDeleteWhich actual sins is your typical serious learner commiting?
ReplyDeleteSome people hate Bnei Torah, and when they see someone learning seriously, their minds invent aveiros for them. They are merely showing how filthy their own minds are, but they say it in public sometimes.
DeleteIt is Sin'as Hatorah at its finest.
The Strikover Rebbe z"l from Bnei Berak used to say, "I knew the Mirrer bochurim in Europe, and the Chassidishe bochurim from Warsaw. The latter were no more 'upgehitten' than the former, with their shaven beards and fashionable suits."
I agree with you regarding Lubavitch. The reason why people speak out against Lubavitch is because they, deep down, understand that they are davuk to Hashem and being mikarev ten times more yidden than everyone else combined. They use frume cheshbonos to justify why they hate Lubavitch.
DeleteBut that is not correct in our case here. We are quoting even Litvishe gedolim who have a serious issue with the freezer. Don't blame the messenger! If you want to blast Rav Chaim Kaneivsky zt"l, go for it, though, honestly, it's not worth the risk. But, again, don't blame the messenger.
And because the lubes are
Deletea. coming next for your children
b.may be pushing away instead what they obsess they are bringing the world
What will the "Lubes" be pushing our children away from?
DeleteAnon 808:
ReplyDeleteSee, Niddah 13.
The steipler would blast married guys if he sensed somehow they were being oiver, but wouldn't for young singles
DeleteHe would just push them to get married
Wow!!!! Boruch hashem that this cruelty which has been causing thousands of agunos amongst our daughters is finally coming to an end!
ReplyDeleteWithout the artificial market manipulation of withholding the boys from the “market” we put our trust in hashem to allow the natural turn of events to play out and each and every person decides on their own when to go into shiduchim.