Newly released Kol Kore from American Roshei Yeshiva warning of the danger of Eretz Hakodesh party planning to entice American frum community to vote in the upcoming elections see full Hebrew letter below
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It is well-known that the Gedoley Hador of pre-war Europe, led by the Chofetz Chaim and Rav Chaim Soloveitchik zt”l, and followed by the Gedoley Hador of the last generation, from the Chazon Ish to Rav Yosef Shalom Eliashiv zt”l, held that it is forbidden to join in any way with the Zionist movement. Indeed, in 1929, the Chofetz Chaim ruled this was so even if a majority of Yeshivos would close as a result. Agudath Israel itself was founded by the great Chasidic and
Torah authorities of the time in order to counteract the Zionist movement. The reason is simple: The Zionist movement strikes at the heart of Yiddishkeit, seeking to remake the Jewish people from a Mamleches Kohanim v’Goy Kadosh into a nation like all others, not based on Torah and Mitzvos.
Three years ago, a party called Eretz Hakodesh, self- identified as Chareidi, joined the World Zionist Organization (WZO) and misled thousands of Chareidi Jews into voting for it. Since then, Eretz Hakodesh has been a full supporting partner in the WZO, identifying with its goals and voting for its various programs and allocations. All of this is a direct violation of the rulings of the aforementioned Gedoley Torah.
By joining the WZO, in which the Reform movement is also a member, Eretz Hakodesh – which agreed to “work together as a full partner with [all WZO members] towards our common goals” -- has also breached the ban which eleven Gedoley Torah of America, among them Rav Aharon Kotler, \Rav Moshe Feinstein, and Rav Yaakov Kamenetsky zt”l, placed in 1956 on joining any umbrella organization that includes the Reform movement.
Eretz Hakodesh has now mounted a major campaign to entice American Charedi Jews, here and in Eretz Yisroel, to vote for it in the coming WZO elections, promising to bring monetary benefits to Jewish institutions. But no matter how great the supposed financial gain, it is forbidden to support, join and identify with an organization whose purpose is to remove Torah as the foundation of the Jewish people. Joining the WZO is an immense Chillul Hashem, and by doing so, Eretz Hakodesh rendered itself illegitimate from its inception.
We therefore express our opinion to our beloved fellow Jews, which is the opinion of the Gedoley Hador before us, that no individual or institution should succumb to the enticements of Eretz Hakodesh, nor vote for Eretz Hakodesh in the WZO elections.
May we merit to sanctify Hashem’s Name and to soon see the coming of Moshiach. Signed (according to Hebrew Alphabet):
Harav Yeruchim Olshin
Harav Dovid Goldberg
Harav Hillel David
Harav Yaakov Horowitz
Harav Yosef Harari – Raful
Harav Elya Ber Wachtfogel
Harav Shlomo Miller
Harav Yisroel Neuman
Harav Yitzchok Sorotzkin
Harav Aharon Feldman
Harav Malkiel Kotler
Harav Dovid Schustal
If this is the logic, than we should not be in the Knesset
ReplyDeleteTypical response, but the gedolim already explained the difference look in Baayos Hazman from Rav Reuven Grozovsky about this inyan and hischabrus Lreshaim
DeleteThat's 100%, now u know why Satmar apposes the Agudah in E"Y
ReplyDeleteThere is no hint of a proof that Rav Elyashiv forbade this. An article in the Yated, that does not quote Rav Elyashiv, is not a source at all.
ReplyDeleteSo there is automatically something suspect about this letter.
The comparison to the Board of Rabbis is כחומץ לשינים וכעשן לעינים, they are totally not connected.
Yes, anonymous commenter says there's no evidence Rav Elyashiv said something, but the people who actually were Zoche to converse with him say differently.
DeleteSure.
DeleteThat's why they are not even claiming to have heard so from his mouth.
As usual, kanna'us is based on mistruths, half-truths and dreikep. Never fails.
My question is, who cares so much? Who is the bored soul who spends so much money, effort and time to make an eisek out of this non-issue?
ReplyDeleteThere is so much that needs to be done in this town. From schools to Kolellim, from help for the poor to Seforim that need printing. Why focus on something as irrelevant to us as this?
Are you not scared of talking like this against gedolei Yisrael like the choferz chaim and Rav Chaim Ozer
DeleteYou have the chutzpah to call it a non issue?????
What does focusing on something have to do with other issues
You should ask mechilah berabim
When the Chafetz Chaim and Reb Chaim Ozer dealt with it, it was a major issue. Nowadays it is not.
DeleteBut who is the person paying for this publicity? What is his angle?
Are we not entitled to know?
Reb Chaim Ozer devoted his life to helping people, yeshivaleit, almanos, refugees, and stam amcha. He also believed that the Aguda may not join the Mizrachi.
DeleteThis guy has not helped a person, only put up signs and made mecha'os.
Big difference.
Who is "this guy" that you are attacking. The rosehi yeshiva are personally spearheading this. Rav Aaron Feldman and Rav Malkiel Kotler both wrote extensive teshuvos on this topic your attempt to belittle it is nauseating and transparent
DeleteAnonymous 3:34
DeleteYour little brain is kklipas hashum to the gedolim but You decided it is a non issue have you no shame
Because Your chevra decided that it similar to then?
DeleteYour continued attempts to belittle gedolim from the last 100 years to this day shows the true colors of those behind the mamzer organization called eretz hakodesh
DeleteWho is the askan behind the repeated hanging of these posters? Its not the Chafetz Chaim and its not Reb Aaron Feldman.
DeleteTHE QUESTIONS BEGS HOW IS IT THAT THE ROSHEI YESHIVA CAN GET TOGETHER TO DEAL WITH ALL KINDS OF ISSUES SUCH AS THIS ONE AND YET REGARDING THE BURNING AND HEARTBREAKING ISSUE THAT IS CAUSING MOUNTAINS OF PAINS AND RIVERS OF TEARS BY EVERY SECOND FAMILY IN OUR VERY OWN COMMUNITIES, THERE IS TOTAL SILENCE.
DeleteFOR THAT, THE ONLY ONE WHO SEEMS TO CARE IS AN ELDERLY ROSH YESHIVA FROM BNEI BRAK WHO HAS NO POWER OVER THE SYSTEM THAT IS CREATING THIS HORRIBLE DISASTER SO ALL HE WAS ABLE TO SUGGEST WAS A SEGULA WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL BUT IT WILL OBVIOUSLY NOT HELP THE KLAL BECAUSE IT WILL NOT CREATE BOYS WHO DONT EXIST.
WHERE ARE WE IN BEGGING OUR ROSHEI YESHIVA TO HELP OUR DAUGHTERS AND WHERE ARE OUR ROSHEI YESHIVA WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH THE PAIN OF THE GIRLS OF THEIR VERY OWN TALMIDIM.
IT IS AT THE SAME TIME BOTH SHOCKING AND HEARTBREAKING.
WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND WE NEED TO DO IT NOW!!
Stop blaming everything on the roshei yeshiva maybe thank them for making thousands of bnei Torah so the girls have who to marry.
Delete10,000 rights do not justify one wrong. We are dealing with lives and with the future of klal yisroel. This is not about blaming rather its a cry and scream for help.
DeleteIt is truly devastating that nothing is being done about a crisis of this magnitude that affects the vast majority of families in our Torah community. If people would raise their voices and tell the roshei yeshiva what is truly going on in the SILENCE of their homes the roshei yeshiva would do something but since everyone is protecting their dignity and suffering in silence the Roshei Yeshiva are not hearing the magnitude of the problem. If they would know the deafining silence that our bnos yisroel are experiencing they would not sit by and be busy with the WZO.
Hopefully in the zchus of birchas hamozon bkavanah the parents will gather the strength to verbalize what they are experiencing and the hearts of the roshei yeshiva will wake up and they will have the courage and wisdom bisyata dishmaya to do something about the heartbreaking situation
100% and btw when the chofetz chaim was against it was a totally a different situation, the reform wasn't involved they was also against the wzo, and see rat chaim Ozer's letter from then he said that may rabbonim Later on will change their minds depending on the situation, and his psak only nogah that time....
DeleteAnon 12:17
DeleteDo you know the cheshbonos in shamayim that you keep on calling out the roshei yeshiva as the culprits to the shidduch crisis.
Maybe it is a kitrug for what eretz hakodesh did by using bnos Yisrael in seminary to vote in the WZO elections
How are you so sure to blame the roshei yeshiva
Maybe the fact that the roshei yeshiva are fighting against the chilul Hashem of eretz hakodesh will be a zechus for the girls suffering in shidduchim.
The Reform did more damage last knesset with eretz Hakodesh in existence. They did absolutely nothing to stop it.
DeleteSecondly EH justified their joining WZO had nothing to do with money or getting funding. Yet all they brag about now is how much money they are getting to plant trees and make concerts.
Shakranim!
Shtus .Reform got less than it would have. Small naysayers are incapable of realizing how worse it easily should have been.Scary.
DeleteWhat are you doing about it?!
Just now finally they woke you up.EH is acomplishing
I don't understand how this is the equivalent of joining an organization like Synagogue Council of America. That was formed for the PURPOSE of being an umbrella group. This is just registering to try get what you can out of a third party. According to this letter why isn't Agudas Yisroel being a member organization of The Claims Conference against Germany along with Reform and Zionist organizations and worse also be considered partnering with the Reform movement and forbidden like the SCA?
ReplyDeleteJust like the claims conference is money for Litvish Yeshivot and publishing seforim and supporting our Orthodox elderly Holocaust survivors, the WZO is money for Yeshivot to spend how they wish in Israel.
DeleteThat's why none of the Israel Gedolim signed this, they're getting paid by the WZO.
By the way, the WZO predecessor dates back to years before Rav Dovid Tzvi Hoffman formed international Agudah.
Perhaps this isn't going as far as joining the Synagogue Council of America but there is an obvious difference between this and The Claims Conference against Germany. Joining The Claims Conference is little more than being a co plaintiff with a Reform Jew against some mutual attacker. The Claims Conference does not claim to have any ideology. That isn't true about the ZOA.
DeleteThe Claims Conference was run by the same people who ran the SCA. Except the Claims Conference gave out millions of dollars so charedi rabbonim wanted big parts of that, while SCA did not, so rabbonim wanted no part of that.
DeleteSame thing with Eretz Hakodesh, they give out money in Israel, so Israeli rabbonim want parts of that, but American rabbonim get no money, so they want no part of it.
Modernishe Meraglim! Chaval, chaval!
ReplyDeleteWho? The Gedolim against Eretz Hakodesh
DeleteYou guys are pathetic, can’t you see the Rosh Hayeshiva’s pandering for Satmar support
ReplyDeleteIt’s easy to be a “konnie” from the plush American armchairs
In Eretz Yisroel, the realized that you actually have to deal with the situation you find yourself in
Now give equal time to the Roshei Yeshiva who support this
ReplyDeletehttps://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/14/now-california-is-criminalising-parental-love/
ReplyDeleteThe Star-K is a big contributor to Eretz Hokodesh by the Star-D which belongs to Eretz Hakodesh organization.
ReplyDeleteEven a broken clock
Deletethe rabbonim in EY are for it, raw Aaron Feldman trying to get everyone in America to be against it, I asked ran elya brudny last week about Erertz
ReplyDeleteHakodesh and he told me that is הצלת הדור so probably all this letters are just the kanoeim
Show one signature of a mainstream gadol in EY who is in support of it.
Deletethere is a video with rav chaim
DeleteYe ye EH guys are telling everyone about the video but have yet to publish it
DeleteMeanwhile Reb chaims own children are saying the opposite how they abused him and took advantage of him
Rav Aaaron Feldman addressed the whole Rav Chaim supports Eretz Hakodesh brouhaha
There are a couple different lobbies synthesising their attacking Eretz H
ReplyDeleteA.Significant frum being hired by near endless resources of the frei WZO to weaken the still early yet remarkable influence of EH,
ostensibly backstabbing naturally in the name piety
B.Some sincerely fine chevra who are out of touch with present facts in the larger sphere
Some chutzpah you have to mock the gedolei hador lumping them together with reshaim on the WZO and calling them out of touch.
DeleteYou are what represents Eretz Hakodesh shameful indeed and rightfully called illagitament
Typical leftist YWN response to dismiss anyone who stands up for Hashem as a kanoi
ReplyDeleteRav Mair stern Spoke out against joining with them
ReplyDeletewho is paying to advertise this letter? im sure its not לשם שמים
ReplyDeletereb chaim kanievsky told me to vote for them
ReplyDeleteAnon 12:17
ReplyDeleteDo you know the cheshbonos in shamayim that you keep on calling out the roshei yeshiva as the culprits to the shidduch crisis.
Maybe it is a kitrug for what eretz hakodesh did by using bnos Yisrael in seminary to vote in the WZO elections
How are you so sure to blame the roshei yeshiva
Maybe the fact that the roshei yeshiva are fighting against the chilul Hashem of eretz hakodesh will be a zechus for the girls suffering in shidduchim.
DeleteYou can claim they breaking our tradition.Even their detractors admit they have been mekadesh shem shamayim
No one is claiming to know cheshbonos shomayim (the roshei yeshiva with all due respect do not know it either) but we know cheshbonos of what is going on right here on planet earth and it is sad and scary and what is even more heartbreaking is the fact that the people in the drivers seat (The Roshei Yeshiva) are not stepping up to the plate in a meaningful way. I dont totally blame them rather a sizeable portion of the blame goes to the parents who are not approaching the RY to let them know what they are going through. Since there is no simple solution, unless they really know and feel what is truly going on they will not come together to do anything substantial.
DeleteUnfortuantely, in our society firstly we underestimate the power of the individual to be the catalyst of change and everyone also tries to put on a proud and brave face on the outside while often times being totally destroyed on the inside. If people would respectfully speak up their would be movement on this front.
FYI: the shidduch crisis started way before the huge crisis of Eretz Hakodesh
Following your logic we should shut down chai lifeline becasue its possible that the reason why there are cholim is because of eretz hakodesh! How ridiculous you are.
DeleteIt is very easy to sit in America and express extreme opinions, education, military recruitment and more, but in America they continue to send the children to a high school with limudei chol, etc. Very easy to live with all the גשמיות and say musser to EY peppol, im sure that rav moshe Hillel and other rabbonim they know much better then the Lakewood meshigieners y Eretz Hakodesh is important
ReplyDelete״הרוצה לשקר ירחיק עדותו״
ReplyDeleteThis is why at EY all the stories about recruiting for the army and eretz hakodesh and more are not relevant at all, only when it comes to Lakewood do the old bears wake up
We All know in Israel there is no freedom of speech
DeleteNer Yisrael is a college yeshiva and Rav Aaron Kotler was against college
ReplyDeleteAnd therefore what??
DeleteHe's the Rosh Yeshiva there.
Any other brilliant comments to belittle gedolei Yisroel?
Sinas hatorah showing its true colors