Monday, December 23, 2024
Tuition With Dignity
Tuition with Dignity A panel at the Torah Umesorah presidents conference discussing tuition hiw schools go about it. Moderated by R' Ezzy Stern, panelists R'Bender from Darchei,Mr. Ronnie Wilhelm Cincinati R' Yakov Robinson Lakewood At minute 13 a Lakewood school owner explains how they raised tuition on parents by $3,500 in one shot raising tuition to $11,000 the most expensive in Lakewood
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They couldn't pick anyone else from Lakewood but the one responsible for setting a high bar and now schools are raising tuitions on parents with no shame or rachmanus
ReplyDeleteThank you Torah Umesorah
All your advocacy for better pay to rebbeim and morahs all it did was put the burden on parents who can't pay their bills. When the PR articles fade away and the news cycle changes the parents are the ones that are squeezed while schools become lazy on fundraising and no community feels any responsibility to support schools.
Also left out is that people have to pay 50k or 100k to get their primary kid into that school some reason that was not mentioned
ReplyDeleteModerator was good
ReplyDeleteOpening a mosad or school means you will have to work hard and raise money
ReplyDeleteIf you can't take on the responsibility than step away. The bottom line is 50 percent of parents are struggling to pay tuition pushing them to pay more is not the solution
The schools gotta fundraise and if they can't take the heat than stay out of the kitchen
Why should the school fundraise because you're unable or unwilling to pay for the cost of educating your child(ren)?
DeleteLet them cover their costs with tuition and if you are asking to pay less than that then you should fundraise to cover your own shortfall — not them.
Because a School isn't a grocery store. A moisad has a communal responsibility.
DeletePerhaps that would be true of a large community school that accepts all Jewish children regardless of their brand of Judaism. However, as it stands now, the schools are actually more comparable to grocery stores in that there are plenty of them to choose from, they are private, niche and cater to specific crowds.
DeleteHow come other schools in Lakewood are not transparent like this school??
ReplyDeleteHe is the opposite of transparent.
Delete1. $6,500000 divided by 633 is not $11,000. it is $10,268. where is the extra 463,000 going?
2. assuming there are around 25 kids in a class with the tuition he is takes he is bringing in $275,000 per class! Please explain where the money is going. Most girl elementary school teachers in Lakewood are getting way below $50,000. So obviously someone is pocketing huge amounts of money in the this school..
3. Don't forget schools in Lakewood have fundraising events in addition to tuition, so please add that on top of the $275,000 per class.
4. And there is more fishy business here. anyone with a calculator can smell that something stinks.
He said- Only 11% pay full. About 50% pay 9k. Many pay way less (mentioned someone with 4 kids, paying $6500?).
DeleteSo he's fundraising plenty.
Also, you realize an employer pays about 10%- in payroll taxes on top of the salaries? And every school has a main English & Hebrew principal. An assistant Hebrew & English (or 2). At least 5 secretaries between them all.
Maintenance staff. Etc etc. If you want him to open his books to you, send to his school & request it.
What he did is not a kuntz or carageous it was a BIG chutzpah to make that tuition hike. No school ever did it because it's wrong.
DeleteNow it paves the way for other schools to do such an achzariyusdikeh move. Big avla
"He said- Only 11% pay full. About 50%..."
DeleteHe also said it costs 6.5 million to educate 633 girls.
Only a school that's paying all the teachers and principles' over 150K needs that kind of money.
And we all know they don't pay that kind of money
schools have always fundraised to cover the part of the budget not covered by tuition. this is how it's always been and it used to be understood by everyone opening a school that having a fundraising office is part of the job. running a school like a private business that extorts "customers" (i.e. parents) for every last penny they can squeeze out of them is not a good idea and is not good for the school in the end, and there is a good reason why this an accepted fact.
ReplyDeleteAnd they still do. But 11% of parents are now happily paying full cost of education. 50% are happily paying 9k & the rest still get breaks as needed. If you're paying the same $5k as before, why are you upset? Is it because now you realize your "full tuition" was actually an enormous discount & that someone else's tzedaka was covering for you? You can no longer pat yourself on the back & pretend the pennies Lakewood schools charge is the real cost?
Deletethanks for the talking points Rabbi R.
DeleteAt around minute 44 someone starts asking legitimate questions about the Lakewood mosdos and the personal prefessional operation of them. Why isnt there full discolsure?
ReplyDeleteIt is very difficult to fundraiser fir a school in Laewood . Donors don't really want to give. They believe tuition should cover. Only fir buildings can you raise.
ReplyDeleteThis whole conversation is insulting to the average middle class who are chocking some gevirim sum tanning in Florida who don't know the struggle of the working middle class are discussing how to push the middle class even more this is pure achzariyus
ReplyDeleteThey are as tone deaf as can be
It's time for every mosad to open the books and show what they are spending and how
No more building state of the art school buildings without full permission from the parent body knowing all the costs
But gvirim won't ever allow it. They Will lose their whole raison d'etre [though most of them can't even pronounce that].They might even jump -or rather push the rest of you off!
Delete$250,000 - $300,000 per class sounds like a lot of inflated salaries for one Lakewood girls school
ReplyDeleteThere are many schools in Lakewood with old buildings that charge low tuitions. You know that they can't cover payroll for ladies that can make double in an office and expect more every year. So what will opening books help you ?
ReplyDeleteOpening books will solve trust issues for skeptical parents and more importantly when the books are opened people will see big salaries and real estate investments
Deletesunshine is the best disinfectant
If you ask to see the books, your children will be thrown out right away.
ReplyDeleteAnd no other yeshiva will take them, children of a troublemaker.
Spot on.
DeleteNo one will ever ask him and he knows it.
6.5 million for 630 kids is almost 300K PER CLASS.
ReplyDeleteMr. Rosh Mosed , I think you can have the zechus of opening your books and explaining the tzibur how you spend so much money per class.
Until then please don't mind us if we don't believe you
HE SAID HE OPENS HIS BOOKS FOR PARENTS. He doesn't have to do that for random joes who are curious how his school is run
DeleteOh he said!!
DeleteHow dumb we are. Now we believe and understand everything that doesn't make sense cus he said.
It is such a chutzpah and a slap in the face to struggling parents that TU gave him a platform putting him on the panel after doing the unthinkable that was never done in Lakewood and will now become accepted.
ReplyDeleteIt should have never been allowed to happen and should have been called out right away.
Something is not all right at TU
ReplyDeleteFirst they put out a pamphlet with chinuch questions and advice from 2 businessman with a prominent 2 pages on a insert in all frum papers
They host a panel with the school that charges the highest tuition in Lakewood
They invite watsapp media forwarders to market themselves
A watsapp group that people are embarrassed to be part of gets a front seat at Torah mesorah shocking
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