Monday, October 21, 2024

Changing The Minhag When to Say Hoshanos

There are 2 minhagim when to do the hakafos around the Bimah when reciting Hoshanos. Minhag Eretz Yisrael is to do it after Hallel before krias hatorah which is the more convenient way since you don't have to take the Lulav and Esrog out again. The second Minhag is to do it after Mussaf where you have to take the lulav out again. There have been many halachic debates among the poskim regarding when to do it and there are many reasons both halachacily and al pi kabbalah when to do it.

Some Shuls who had the minhag to do it after mussaf wanted to switch the minhag to the first way as a matter of convenience. In some shuls they took a vote others asked a shailah.



There is an Interesting story brought in sefer Lev Chaim from Rav chaim falagi In the City of Izmir where the Rav wanted to change the Minhag they did Hoshanos after mussaf and he wanted to do like minhag Eretz yisrael and  say the hoshanos and hakafos after hallel. They took a vote and all members agreed with the Rav to change the Minhag. there was one member of the Shul who opposed it he argued that the minhag was not just in vain and there is who to be somech on to keep it that way. The Rav decided that even if only one person opposed it was enough not to change the minhag and they kept the Minhag of hoshanas after Mussaf.
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8 comments:

  1. Nusach sfard (even nonChassisish) says Hoshanot after Hallel.

    Note, one of the first tsalhuvot in Vayoel Moshe concerns some chassidim who wanted to say parshat Nessiim during Kriyat hatorah. The Satmar Rebbe was vehemently opposed, saying if you'd know the kabbalistic reason for parshat Nessiim, you wouldn't ask for such a heter.

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  2. Why would the rov of a shul allow it to be voted on? Since when are minhagim changed due to popular opinion.

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  3. What do you mean? It's 2024!!!

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  4. R Moshe switched in community synagogue

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    1. Whats your source?

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    2. Since when can you base a peak halocho on a story quoted on the hefkervelt!

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    3. He would have been flat out against change-especially the wrong way

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  5. R. Moshe, in Igros Moshe, explains why Hoshanos should be after mussaf.

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