Updated: See below letter from Lakewood poskim on Lace Cap Lace front Sheitels.
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Excerpts from public letter by Lakewood poskim from 2 years ago assuring the lace sheitels.
It is our chiyuv to make the tzibur fully aware that some of the sheitels being sold currently are asur min hadin to wear....In other words the sheitels appearance must attest for itself that it is not the hair of the wearer. It follows that when a sheitel projects a look that is too natural, it becomes asur to wear...It is therefore obvious that we have two grave issurim with the latest design of lace cap sheitels so they are categorically asur to be worn...
- although its asur to buy a lace cap wig if you inadvertantly bought one it can bideved be fixed. Likewise the lace front sheitels should not be worn but can be fixed...for more info call...
Rav Forcheimer
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You mean it's not just the chasidim? What a shocker.
ReplyDeleteThe Lakewood poskim are very aware of Rav Moshe's psak but Rav Moshe did not see the lace cap Rav Coren did not quote any contemporary poskim who agree with him but is relying on reb Moshe
ReplyDeleteR Neiman of Monsey specifically says it's 100% muttar and those who twist the Torah are not reliable
ReplyDeletePlease quote a household name seasoned posek who says it is muttar
Deleteno one has any idea who r' neiman is, writing his name in 50 comments won't make him an authority.
DeleteI bet you R Sally also says its 100% mutar
Deletei actually did hear of him. I saw a letter from many rabbonim against him
DeleteReb Shmuel Neiman from Monsey is a massive Ga'on, and a son of the Vizhnitzer Dayan Reb Avraham Nissan Neiman.
DeleteThe letter 'against' him is a fraud and a shonde. Some of the signers publicized that they were coerced and fooled into signing, and asked mechila from him. Others died pretty soon after signing. There are recordings of people talking to some other signers, in which they admit there is nothing really wrong with him.
Rabbi Neiman also makes valid points in his speech, and personal attacks on him will not invalidate his points.
I heard he says it’s assur and those who twist his Torah are not reliable
ReplyDeleteRabbi Reisman said years ago regarding the shabbos makeup when a few rabbonim allowed it, that when most of the rabbonim say its assur why would you want to go against them. He compared it to where most the majority of the reliable doctors say if you do this you will die and a couple said it's fine. Why woukd you risk your life to against the majority of the doctors. Are the lace tops such a must have that's its worth mentioning that a few rabbonim allow it
ReplyDelete?
This is literally what happened during covid
DeleteTake out r moshes teshuva read it inside, its very clearly muttar according to his words , whether he saw it or not is irrelevant . Its a question of maris ayin, woman cover their hair for themselves to feel their real hair is covered. That doesn't change if other people can tell or not the torah dosent worship society opinion like we do
ReplyDeleteHmm. Rav moshe says it’s not maras eiyin because you easily tell it’s a wig. If that is not the case here then your logic doesn’t follow.
DeleteYanki thats not what r moshe says r moshe says very clear there is no maris ayin because we don't make up new maris ayin , he also adds in that even if there would be maris ayin it wouldn't be maris ayin. (prime example how people try to use r moshe for their agenda)
Delete1. Do you rely on all R' Moshe kulas?Would you eat chalav Stam (in public)
Delete2. Do you follow all R' Moshe chumras?
Do you open bottle caps on Shabbos, do you use a Shabbos clock etc.
Follow your posek and that's it!
Reb Moshe does not say you can 'easily' tell it's a wig. He says even if it is only with difficulty that you can tell it's a wig, it is still muttar.
DeleteThere are many people who are uncomfortable with Reb Moshe's opinions, so they distort them because they know they will never get away with arguing with him.
R'Moshe T'shuva always stated a Yarei Shamayim should be machine on cholov yisroel. And in today's day and age where cholov yisroel is readily available, it doesn't require much yiras shamayim to be machmir
DeleteDo the Lakewood pesukim says its asur to say a bracha in front of a lady wearing one?
ReplyDeleteI don’t understand why Rav Moshe isn’t enough? Why should we need more contemporary poskim?
ReplyDeleteSee my reply to KD. Do you follow all R' Moshe kulas and chumros? Ask YOUR posek and follow that. Dont Heter shop.
DeleteExcuse me. Many halachos u follow are based upon r’ moshes psakim. If you realize it or not.
DeleteWhat’s the tzad it’s muttar?
ReplyDeleteThe tzibur needs mareh mekomos
ReplyDeleteIf this is a takanas hatzibur fine no diff than the communities that wear hats with sheitlach
But we need direction
Our children will not follow blindly we need to show them why
If we are not clear we didn’t service anyone
We are begging for coherence
Is that really How things actually work these days
Deletethough you are correct
מראי מקומות ARE IN A ספר CALLED לבושה של תורה FROM THE POSUEKIM THROUGH THE TALMUD AND THE CURRENT DAY POSKIM
DeleteITSELF IS WRITTEN BY A VERY BIG POSEK
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ReplyDeleteR Shlomo stein in Lakewood says it’s muttar
ReplyDeleteHere is a link to the different letters from the rabbonim INCLUDING the Lakewood Poskim
ReplyDeletehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1A_qj51p9ooukEnFS4W9SPpB6X6_WAbQt?usp=sharing
IN that link there is a transcript of a speech of Rav Falk about it. Interestingly enough, he does not say that it is a halachic problem. He says quite clearly that it is wrong, it is an avla, people shouldn't be trying to look unmarried etc. But he does not say it is assur. Quite likely, the reason for that is because he doesn't believe it is assur, merely that it is wrong.
DeleteI don't disagree that it is wrong. But to say something is assur when it isn't, is more wrong
if you would know how rav falk זצ"ל spoke then you would not have come to the aforementioned conclusion. it just wasn't his type to say 'it's אסור', but to rather explain, on a level that women and girl could relate to, why it's bad
Deletein any case, in his safer for men he writes clearly that it is totally אסור, in לבושה של תורה פרק כח
English style over the top multi-level
DeleteAfter much arguing and back and forth we can conclude that this is not a simple issue. Your LOR should be consulted and follow whatever he tells you.
ReplyDeleteR' Moshe is pretty clear that there is no problem with these sheitels. However other poskim argue, therefore there is definitely a makom to be machmir.
It is not straight out ossur.
Kol korehs need to be taken with a large grain of salt, as is obvious to anyone who wasn't born yesterday
I don't see how wearing a sheitel that looks so real you can't tell it isn't a woman's own hair would be muttar. Even the sheitels that are obviusly sheitels (to our trained eyes, goyim don't even realize they're sheitels) should be problematic when they are immodestly styled, like very long etc.
ReplyDeleteI also don't see how flipping a switch on Shabbos is 'work', but shlepping piles of tables and chairs isn't.
DeleteI also don't see why Hashem cares if I put a little parmesan into my bolognese sauce.
I also know that my 'understanding' makes little difference in actual halacha. If Reb Moshe was mattir it, and nobody actually managed to write a coherent Teshuva against it, it is muttar.
Trying to understand the issue to see a married woman’s scalp. (As in the suppose it letter)
ReplyDeleteSaar b’isha ervah means just that: Saar as in Hair.
If a women is bald why must she cover her “Head”???
No Ervah No covering???
Thus, even if the ‘part’ is see through - if there is no hair there in theory the bald scalp does not have to be covered..
Any comments?
There is probably a das yehudis not to do that
DeleteR' Neiman is the leading authority on Hilcho Yichud has huge audience for sholom bayis classes is a sought after speaker in all yiddishe kehillos and knows what he's saying or he wouldn't. He says "MUTTAR"
ReplyDeleteListen here
ReplyDeletehttps://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/1001825/rabbi-aryeh-lebowitz/ten-minute-halacha-erase-the-lace-lace-cap-sheitels/
I heard he says assur
ReplyDeleteCould be in Lakewood you need to follow Lakewood poskim but believe it or not there are other poskim outside Lakewood. Anyway don’t worry just wait two years and it will be normal. The same thing happened with using human hair, sheitils having parts, highlights and many other examples
ReplyDeleteHe said it’s muttar. He agreed it may not be so appropriate but it’s definitely muttar
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the comments, I would suggest that you all listen to the clip of this Rav. His main point is that There can be disagreement but it has to be respectfully. He repeats this several times. Reading some of the comments here it's really baffling to the mind The way people can use their words here. Please simply listen to the clip. It is the most reasonable thing I have heard in many years regarding difference of opinions. This is what we need to understand. This could and should be bisholom and bisholva. Again that's his main point. I beg you all to listen to a reasonable sensible person.
ReplyDeleteniceties are a means of disarming the other side perhaps
DeleteJust to clarify:I just spoke to Rabbi Shloime Stein and he said that he never said that it is muttar
ReplyDeletethe way people are speaking aout our gedolim is horrible. we have to fix that asap!!!
ReplyDeleteReb Yehoshua Leib was not accepted lehalacha, as per Reb Moshe. Reb Moshe is clearly coming to disagree with him.
ReplyDeleteIf you look into the very sources of the original heter of wigs
ReplyDeleteפאה נכרית
Which is the Shiltie Giborim in Shabbos
He clearly states that there is no issue of Maris Eyen. He actually permits wearing ones very own hair.
So does the Rema and the Magen Abrohom, Levush, and Mishna brurah in Hil Krias Shma...
Our Gabbai in Shul is smart. He made an announcement, for all the men to hear, that all Laced Sheitlach are not the Scalp, and not the woman's Skin; it's a fake piece of plastic. Problem solved.
ReplyDeletehttp://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/61221%e2%80%93-show-326-%e2%80%93-lace-top-sheitels-%e2%80%93/
ReplyDeleteExcellent take on the lace tops the mitzvah is not that you need to know that the women is married she needs to cover here hair hashkafah is a different issue
if its over on das yehudis
ReplyDeletecanwe divorce without being mechuyav in kesubah