Following the tragedy in Meron klal yisroel looked for ways to improve as they always do in a eis tzara. Several yeshivos in Eretz Yisrael and in America took upon to be mechazek the Friday sedarim in yeshiva. Erev shabbos is usually a challenging day and more lax in shmiras hasdorim than the rest of the week.
In Lakewood, Fridays have become shorter as far as school and playgroup dismissal times which in turn affects the youngeleit learning, as they must leave seder to make a 12;00 pm pick up.
The girls' schools barely have 2 hours of class on Friday because of busing schedules, dismissal begins at 11:15 am when they first get to school at 9:15. The boys schools end earlier as well It used to be a 12:30 dismissal for the girls.
There is no reason that schools can't go until 1:00 pm on Fridays there is still plenty of time to prepare for shabbos. Employees in Lakewood businesses during the summer leave work at 1 or 2 pm. The husbands in yeshiva must leave seder early to pick up the kids who are
dismissed at 12 because the schools dismiss at 11:30. There are less couples travelling going away for shabbos in NY that may have been a factor for a shorter schedule. If everything is moved up an hour it will help strengthen the Torah learning in the yeshivos. Transportation should not dictate and rob children of precious learning time or force parents to leave work or yeshiva.Erev Sabbos yid
Technically you are right. Transportation should not dictate. But if the bus contractors can't handle it ,then the only other solution is for schools to end later and parents pick up the kids . Then the traffic would be so bad ,that parents would have to leave an hour earlier to get there, so they would just lose their time in yeshiva by being stuck in traffic . No win .
ReplyDeleteI went to the cheder 37 years ago school always ended 12 in the winter and 1230 in the summer on fridays
ReplyDeleteThe Cheder school 30 years ago ended 1230 on Fridays even in the winter when days were short
DeleteThat is incorrect I still have the school year calendar says friday in the winter 12 summer 1230
Deleteno.it was 1230 straight through
DeleteI find it interesting that the solution is in someone else's hands. Now it's the schools.
ReplyDeleteHow about people making sure to finish their preparations earlier, and taking their children to Shul to learn before Mincha. No program, no prizes, no nosh, just learning. And those who don't have boys at that age, how about just going to learn then?
Maybe Shabbos afternoons can use chizuk. A Yeshivaman can easily be finished his Seuda by 1230. Why don't Batei Midrashim start to fill up until about 5 at best? Let's make sure to be there before 3 already, the weekly newspapers are not all that interesting anyway.
One finger pointed at others is three pointed at yourself.
We dont home school parents pay tuition to teach their children
DeleteDear Erev Shabbis Yid ,
ReplyDeleteI hope this means that you are willing to pay generously for the extended hours.
Otherwise talk is cheap
The way for tikkunim is not to trample on the erev shabbosim of our already overworked and underpaid Rebbeim and Moros
It is not a money issue
DeleteThe children are being robbed from their time and learning
The parents paid tuition to have full days not a few hours
The parents lose money from work
No one is asking the rebbeim to stay on longer it should be a regular Friday mot a short one
No one is asking the rebbeim to stay longer -are you proposing for the children to remain there unsupervised?
DeleteIt’s sounds like you are asking for increased services without wanting to pay for it
- I think the word for that is cheapskate
The solution is to start the day earlier like they do in israel or public school. The day dosent start before 9:30-10
ReplyDeleteThe canard of the underpaid Rebbe needs to be laid to rest. Every Rebbe job has multiple applicants, even for out of town jobs. Rebbeim are paid adequately, and they receive regular tips and Yomtov bonuses and other free stuff.
ReplyDeleteSome Rebbeim are better, some not so good, but the job pays for a person to live in our society. He won't get rich off it, but why is that a problem?
fully agreed
DeleteFor one I wish you were correct
ReplyDeleteIt would be a tremendous cap in our feather if it were
But you logic is faulty
That would be like telling your lawyer or accountant who get paid nicely that they owe you more services because you feel like it’s coming to you without paying
What’s wrong with the fahr togs Friday tikkun is it too much for you to get up early for the greater good of klal yisrael oh and by the way by extension of your argument the kollel check will not be any bigger if you attend
Whoever feels that the rebbeim are being paid adequately should switch pay checks and hours for a year
ReplyDeleteI have no problem switching. And so would most employees of businesses. They do not get paid as much, and never get the tips that Rebbeim receive. And they do not get the prestige either.
DeleteThe Bussing bullies their way over the Schools. Its embarrassing the Schools get away with it. Nothing to to do with chizuk in learning. It cheapens the derech Eretz we should have for our mosdos... Friday became a joke. The girls get to school and are leaving to dismisssal shortly afterwards. Sundays should have free bussing and we should not have to pay $180 for bussing either.
ReplyDeleteWe should switch our hours with rebbeim? I’d gladly take 9-2 over 7-7 and get all the programs plus all the YT distributions, free tuition and many other perks.
ReplyDeleteRebbeim do not merely work 9-2. I'm sure you've called other times
ReplyDeleteI grew up in BP where the schools had their own busses. No need to rely on a Thrid party to dictate when schools starts or ends.
ReplyDeleteYup it’s time to have our own bussing and stop relying on incompetent LSTA AND BOE.
ReplyDeleteThe schools are happy to end early and blame it on someone else. It’s a win win for them. To all those who say if we want longer school we have to pay more I’m just wondering did tuition go down when they shortened Friday’s? Or when there was no school during corona? I didn’t think so.
ReplyDeleteBesides the millions the schools made from boxes and PPP yet tuition remained the same throughout and went up this year like every other year.
ReplyDeleteStop the grumpiness
DeleteIf a mosad is able to run in the black you should be happy
It means that we have shteiged in our appreciation of melamdim an institution that the haskala desperately tried to degrade
If they get kavod great
If you can’t fargin maybe klap al cheit for all the times you skipped mussar seder
I still don’t know why the emphasis for this tikkun has to fall on the rebbeim when the solution of waking up early Friday morning for a special fahr tugs seder would solve everything
What are you ranting about?
ReplyDelete95 per cent of schools are only giving food to their own students. Its only 5 or 6 schools that are doing the food boxes on a big scale . In any event any excess funds has to be used for the food program, so a school can install kitchen equipment needed for food programs but they can't use the money for any regular school expenses. That's why most schools are not doing it on a big scale. As far as PPP ,because of our mehalchim in payroll, vdai lemevin ,most schools didn't get more than a one time loan of maybe 175,000 to 350,000 depending on the size of the school. With the exception of maybe the 2 or 3 huge schools who got more . And it still has not been forgiven. And if a school got a one time metziah of 250 or 300,000 that they can use towards paying off old choivis or paying down their huge mortgage or towards some future building extension , im not sure why you don't fargin them .in most yeshivishe schools the vast majority of parents pay reduced tuition so maybe last year the hanhola had to schnorr a little less for those parents. Big deal. Where does it say that if the school finds a one time metziah, that they can't use it for debt reduction or new construction ? Why do they have to give it back to the parents so that the hanhola has to schorr more for them ?
ReplyDeleteThe numbers are public and many schools got hundreds of thousands from PPP alone
ReplyDeleteDear May 24, 2021 at 6:27 PM
DeletePlease let us all know what you think the average real cost per child is at the elementary school level for chadorim
Please dont forget the afternoon teachers ,office staff ,menahalim, custodial staff and utility bills
There is also probably a mortgage to think of as well
That’s not the point. Nobody is debating the expenses schools have, We agreed to pay x amount in tuition for full days in school. During these times with boxes and PPP most schools are running a surplus.
ReplyDeleteAgain if schools are breathing that`s great .
DeleteIf you feel that you are not getting what you paid for then first find out what the real cost per child is and then see what you paid in .
If your out of pocket expense was more than the school shelled out for your child and you dont think that its beneficial for your mossad to have that extra money than you dont need to feel like a cheapskate to ask for more services
But if the school needed to schnorr for your child and you are asking for more services without paying more money I hate to say it but the best description for that would be - a cheap ingrate
So you are saying that you consider yourself like a partner in the school. So on a year where the school had a surplus because of PPP etc , you want to pay less . Ok. Then are you saying that in a year where the school has a loss, then you will automatically increase your tuition to make up for the loss? If yes , then you have a point. If no , then keep quiet and let the school breathe and use a few dollars for their next expansion that you probably are not giving much money for .
ReplyDeleteHow do you know what I’m giving for their next expansion? I am actually giving a lot.
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you a different question, if I won the lottery one year would the school consider me a partner and want me to share the wealth? Nobody suggested that because the school has a surplus tuition should go down but when services were almost non existent and the school had a huge surplus and many parents were suffering financially then yes many parents should get a break that year.
Yes if a school had a loss one year you could be rest assured the school would mandate the parents to give or raise more that year and it wouldn’t be optional.
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