Saturday, October 1, 2022

Motzei Shabbos Shuva 5783

- Rain in the forecast from Sunday-Wednesday

Weather for tomorrow Cloudy with periods of rain. High around 60F. Winds NE at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Rainfall near a half an inch. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.

- Rabbonim delivered their shabbos shuva drashos one of the topics discussed was the excessive drinking from Toameha erev shabbos to other times during the week and shabbos too.

- Bais Faiga Daled minim open tonight

-Bingo open until 2am

- Adirei Hatorah event for ladies tomorrow in a tent at Blueclaws stadium 

- Those going to EY for Sukkos will be leaving tomorrow due to the yom tov schedule this year.

- Starting today NJ natural gas customers will see a monthly increase in their bills for $21  which is $258 annually after the bpu approved the rate increase.

- Death toll from hurricane Ian  at least 75 people were confirmed dead, including 28 people in Florida mostly from drowning but others from Ian’s tragic aftereffects. An elderly couple died after their oxygen machines shut off when they lost power, authorities said.

- Murphy: Remnants of Hurricane Ian will make its way across the state this weekend, bringing minor floods, rain, and cool winds.

- Over 100 people were killed and 200 injured in a riot at a football stadium in Malang Indonesia, authorities said

Selichos motzei shabbos in Lutzk 10:00pm - side building and 12:45 am main BM.

- Chechen leader Kadyrov suggests a low-yield nuclear strike after Lyman defeat in the annexed Donetsk region.

30 comments:

  1. Just do it in the stadium - Fact is the letter banned people from even being in the area of the stadium. They can make an event in a stadium a few miles away?

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    1. Old, old Lakewood politics, buddy.
      They used to call it “the parking lot at Cedarbridge and New Hampshire,” to actually call it the Blueclaws Parking lot is already a yeridas hadoros.

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  2. What kind of drinks do people have by toameha? My rov didn’t talk about it

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  3. The problems with drinking start with the way we educate our boys. Only Gemara from an early age, all day, to the exclusion of all else. No tanach, Jewish philosophy, history, halacha or much else. And most definitely not learning a relatively low pressure trade to provide for our ever expanding families with dignity and not needing to cut corners or take enormous ris. Maybe the Rabbanim should get together and form a more wholesome curriculum that inculcates strong jewish values and helps all our boys shine without them feeling like losers unless they’ve got mega bucks if they’re not learning full time. And maybe give a bit more leeway with sheves. The pressure on our men, entirely self induced, is unsustainable. The excessive drinking is just a symptom of the underlying problem.

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    1. Should be the beginning of an ongoing discussion and debate

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    2. My friend it will never happen .looking at the new york times backlash they exposed the reality of the chasidesh mosdos and they were attacked. I grew up in the chasidesh system and resent the fact that we were not given a basic English education to be able to communicate in English. I worked very hard to master English. Our yeshiva system is mostly made for 30% of our population. Who is made to sit and learn 9 hours a day in a rigorous gemorah curriculum, how would we feel if 100% of our yeshiva boys would be forced to go and get a Harvard rigorous education. Our system is broken and not working for allot of boys and girls. The biggest joke is that this failed system doesn't even have enough place to accommodate all of our children.

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  4. I don't think anyone cares.

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  5. What the bleep is 'to'ameha'? When they stop people inventing new mitzvos to scrub out real mitzvos, they won't have to discuss drinking problems.
    Our Torah doesn't need any help, keep it as it was given. When Shabbos Seudos are bland and boring, people need 'hachana leshabbos' parties with concerts and excessive food. When davening isn't understood because people weren't taught the depth of the meaning of the words and they don't know Lashon Hakodesh because they got used to the crutch of instant translations, they 'need' guitar selichos.

    Just return to Yiddishkeit the way it was given, without chidushim. We won't need to 'solve problems' or 'understand the generation'.

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    1. I am curious to know what you would have done when chazal were mesakein targum (and a meturgaman) during krias hatorah because people didn't understand laining. What happened to the torah as it was given then?

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    2. Targum is Halacha leMoshe Misinai, not guitar selichos or linguistic laziness. If people are spending years learning in Yeshivos and then need an English Machzor - a Hebrew one is insufficient - that means they are not internalizing what they learn. Hebrew is still strange to them.

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    3. People literally did not know how to read hebrew in the time of Ezra. Many seforim in the past were written in Arabic. Do you have a problem with the targum of r saadyah gaon and others as well? I guess there was linguistic laziness back then too? Additionally, I have seen big roshei yeshiva daven out of english machzorim. Lastly, I would highly advise you learn chovos hatalmidim.

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    4. Such proofs are of limited relevance or meaning as the past was a different color paradigm

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    5. now the past was a different paradigm. Do proofs from the past only work when they are convenient? Yes, each dor has different challenges which was precisely the point. Different challenges require different approaches. Many of our ancestors didn't understand the words yet they had a greater connection to hashem than we did. Learn Chovos Hatalmidim if you want a much better answer to this question. Revisionist history and playing games of pretend helps no one. And halevai that the alcohol problem in our community would be just limited to toameha and excessive food consumption. Our problems with alcohol are far worse. AA and rehabs are filled with frum people and those are just the ones who actually decided to seek help. Saying that this has anything to do with artscroll's translation of the siddur/machzor is purim torah.

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    6. Nobody blamed Artscroll's translation.
      But the fact that so many Yeshivaleit need it is a symptom of a problem. Leave it to ladies and those who don't spend hours each day reading Hebrew/Aramaic.

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    7. The words in selichos and r'h yom kippur piyutim are frequently words or concepts that one would not normally encounter in their regular learning. Many were not written in the same era and use very poetic language. In what capacity would one encounter this to the point where one would be fluent enough to not have it detract from the part of emotionally connecting and being authentic during davening? Or is that also only supposed to be for the ladies. The suggestion that overall people were more fluent in the teffilos is just not true. They were just too embarrassed to admit they didn't know.

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    8. I understand that a peirush is necessary. But why in English? Isn't a Hebrew peirush easier to understand for people who read Hebrew all day?

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    9. Not necessarily. Most people are still thinking in English. You are translating so that can decrease the authenticity and create a barrier towards connection. Removing the barrier so you dont have to engage cognitively as much is useful for some. Davening is not supposed to be like second seder. It's a very different type of avodah. If one was "macho" and went with the hebrew and ended up not understanding the peirush hamilus they gained nothing. There happen to be some very nice hebrew peirushim which are used but everyone is different. Ultimately tefilla is primarily avodah shbleiv. The focus should be on omeid lifnei hamelech, pirush hameilos, nochach and kavanos if one is at that level.

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  6. So if we learned tanach there wouldn’t be excessive drinking? I guess that makes sense. What other problems would it solve?

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    1. Depends how it will be done.
      Start of a longer ongoing discussion

      Cherrypickin' that you are doing aside, comprehensive outlook I altogether steadily may reignite larger purposeful direction

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  7. Would learning tanach also solve the shul politics in wg? What about the stealing cars and stabbings?

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    1. No but maybe if you stopped inciting more hatred (2 days before YK) and allow the Shul to finally build, the Shul politics would stop

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  8. How could I allow the shul to build? I would love for it to be built provided it’s legal and doesn’t infringe on anyone else in any way.

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    1. Meaning that chalilah should it infringe on anyone’s KAVOD in any way - chalilah it should make a different shul not be the biggest - chalilah it should make other people not feel important etc

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  9. Ok mr cohen would you like to start giving tanach classes?

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  10. Big problem: 'pas nisht' once was a bigger part of Jewish life

    These days to have a chance either have it stated black and white clearly or will be moot

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  11. Mr cohen you have such pearls of wisdom that your comments do not begin to make sense. Keep up the good work!

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  12. To elaborate :
    In the general Orthodox world, alcohol was one of more than a few present problems which didn't exist in almost recent past. How come??
    Is it forbidden stated black and white?
    What changed??

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  13. I realize that I'm late to this party - but revisionist history helps no one.

    Fact: As a kid, the shuls that I davened in had kiddush clubs. The kiddush was not made on grape juice or light wine; it was made on intoxicating beverages.

    Currently, kiddush clubs are not active in your average shul. That's an improvement. Period.
    But, there are new problems which are being dealt with. To pretend as if the alcohol problem didn't exist in the past - or doesn't still exist in 'modern' shuls - is simply revising history. It will help no one, other than to bring back failed ideas. It's ludicrous to think that ideas which have 50% failure rate is some sort of solution.

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    https://rabbipruzansky.com/2012/10/12/the-three-ply-cord/

    A new unpublished study recently brought to my attention has challenging implications for the Torah world – to wit, that 50% of the graduates of Modern Orthodox high schools are no longer Shabbat or Kashrut observant within two years of their graduation.

    The burial of that study does not change the failure of the ideas behind it. Choosing toameah problems - which are real and unfortunate - to try to regurgitate and resurrect failed ideas help no one.

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    1. Things like that did exist, in some places, depending how old you are.
      Alcoholism as a problem didn't. Yidden prided themselves for generations for it.

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