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Friday, October 28, 2022
Video: גֶּשֶם or גָּשֶם
We started saying משיב הרוח ומוריד הגשם, should we say Geshem or Gashem? Lakewood youngerman explains.
I think it got confused with another related story. I heard from an adam gadol years ago that R' Shlomo Zalman retracted his psak the second he heard R' Moshe said komatz. He was mevatel daato legamri to R' Moshe
This rabbi is wrong. When piyutim are added to a beracha of shemona esre, they are only put in where there is a paragraph break. That is why the piyutim of geshem and tal are said after the words אתה גבור לעולם ה מחיה מתים אתה רב להושיע, because there's a break there, otherwise there would be no heter to say piyutim in middle of a beracha.
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ReplyDeleteVery fascinating and informative. Sounds like you put in a lot effort. Keep up the good work!
ReplyDeleteI checked some old siddurim that were about 400 years old and they were geshem Not Goshem.
ReplyDeleteSiddur Shaloh of about 300 years ago also says Geshem
ReplyDeleteWith dikduk one never wins.
ReplyDeleteR Moshe retracted this psak, and agreed it should be geshem.
ReplyDeleteNo he did not retract his psak
ReplyDeleteYes he did, it's well documented
DeleteDocumented? Where?
DeleteWhere is it documented?
DeleteRav Moshe Shmuel Shapiro had a tradition to say HaGoshem!
ReplyDeletePlease show us the documents
ReplyDeleteOr where we can see it !
Thank You
Fake news. He did not retract.
ReplyDeleteI think it got confused with another related story. I heard from an adam gadol years ago that R' Shlomo Zalman retracted his psak the second he heard R' Moshe said komatz. He was mevatel daato legamri to R' Moshe
ReplyDeleteDid you learn in Peekskill? I heard this years ago from R' Elya :)
DeleteYou’re proud you learned in Peekskill?
ReplyDeleteWhat did rav dovid feinstein say?
ReplyDeleteThis rabbi is wrong. When piyutim are added to a beracha of shemona esre, they are only put in where there is a paragraph break. That is why the piyutim of geshem and tal are said after the words אתה גבור לעולם ה מחיה מתים אתה רב להושיע, because there's a break there, otherwise there would be no heter to say piyutim in middle of a beracha.
ReplyDeleteIf r Moshe retracted why does MTJ say goshem? Elah Mai…
ReplyDeleteTLDW;?
ReplyDeleteChassidim are makpid to say Geshem al pi kabala. Numerous stories of various tzadikim and geonim enforcing this.