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Wednesday, April 17, 2019
Audio: Drasha
Rav Uren Reich shlita Drasha on this weeks events listen HERE
I have one ? This is all very true what the Rosh hayeshiva said I just don't understand wear is the cry out with all the fundraisers for organizations/yeshivas with he exact same setup singers foods hors d'oeuvres wine why is it okay for raising money but not okay for this ? Just searching for answers I'm not looking to argue
To Anon 5:32, you obviously need to listen to the shiur again. The difference is that this asifa was FOR yeshiva bachurim. To make such an asifa for bnei Torah is a Yehudah in the tzurah of a Ben Torah. Fundraisers is geared for ba'alei batim.
So I are saying u are better then the bocherim u can stuff your face party like a rock star and tell your kids to stay home you are in for a surprise u will fail the answer is that for money you can do anything for koved you can do anything and yes the comment below is right if u are a yeshiva that turns down 90% of the Town cuz they're not good enough for you you have no right to tell people what to do if u are open minded then you wouldn't have these type of yeshivas
Anon 8:04, thats not what I heard. the difference wasn't so much about whether you are a bochur ar Baal HaBas. the difference is whether it is seen as a community wide event (instituting a new minhag), or just the actions of some yechidim. It would seem if 50 or even 100 bochirim wanted to get together and make a siyum or kumzits, no one would have an issue
1. The Mishnah says A true chochum sees the “nolad” the consequence of things. And everyone should have known what was going to happen. 2. They look at the gedolim in EY and see that protests are ok. 3. Lmaseh although some roshei yeshivos were against it the kol koreh was the yungerman and it’s not the first time 4. Comparing them to the eigel!!... 5. The biggest issue is that they are still ignoring the point that we are not DOING ANYTHING for good boys that need a little break
And the follow up kumzitz was a bigger bizayon than the first one. They basically created a situation where they taught our bochurim that if they don't like what the Roshei Yeshiva say, they can throw a tantrum and get their way. None of the Roshei Yeshiva were maskim to the second kumzitz. They just chose not to fight. What an embarrassment
Anon 5:40 pm. "we are not DOING ANYTHING for good boys that need a little break" I don't know, my son did something. He didn't say all bochurim shouldn't have an outlet, he seemed to think that some could use an outlet. The opposition was due to the fact that it was done as a tzibbur
Rabbi Reich is an outstanding talmud Chochom. However I am not sure if everything was explained to him with the full details.
Not many boys were outside a house in Forest Park, they were singing songs of devakus heartwarming songs. Why was it necessary to call for almost the rntent Lakewood police force to be called in. When they were called in then many of the bochorim came to watch. They then called in police from Jackson, Howell, Brick etc. They pepper sprayed the boys and I heard that four were taken in to the hospital. They police had dogs to chase our kids. Whoever was in charge of perpitrating this autrocity and treating our children like criminals and things should be prosocuted. I must mention that my boys were not involved with kumitz but we're outraged about what happened with our so called Askonim I am sure if Harav Shmuel heard the entire story he would not agree with banning the event.
It reminded me of the Nazis's persecuting and hounding the Jews. Inocent pure neshamas have been damaged. There was absolutely no need for any police or force. I cry in pain.
If you listened to what he actually said, he was aware of that. His point was that the end result was a chilul hashem, and when someones actions lead to a chilul hashem, that in itself is wrong. He was addressing bochurim for the aspect that was nogea to them
Rebbe we were taught not to listen by those who dont listen to R Ahron Lieb and R Chaim or those who didnt listen to the Zikney America who were against Citifield
I do understand the Point of the Drasha. However, the reality for anyone with teen boys or girls is that there is a lot going on in town and if you have children that are slipping and getting in with the wrong friends and influences, this seems like the perfect venue to have. At least 1/3 of parents in town would be thrilled if their children would associate with this type of event rather than with other things. If you exclude 1/2 of the boys from the so called Aleph yeshivos because they don't fit into your box, then you have no right to make rules for that half of the town. It's a double standard. You can't get into Yeshivos and schools and you still want to make rules for them. One of the main causes of kids going off is rejection and that is what brings down the level that was in place in Lakewood in the past and yes, as everyone has been pointing out, everything goes when it comes to fundraising events including for the so called Aleph Yeshivos. It's a real double standard
In my personal experience, yeshivas work very differently than other primary or girls high schools. I had issues with getting some of the primary schools, but when it came time for Yeshiva, my son got into every Yeshiva he had applied (including ones you may refer to as aleph aleph). In yehivas, the learning is more advanced, hashkafos can also begin to widen, so it is important that they try to accept bochurim who are on the same level for everyones interest. If you are worried about bochurim blowing off steam during bein hazmanim, you should be even more worried about sending a bochur to a Yeshiva with a higher intensity or a higher level than where he is holding.
As far as the Drashah, R'Uhren Reich is the real deal, my personal opinion would have been different, and I don't know if my R"Y was alive now, whether he would agree, but he isn't alive, and I wouldn't oppose what R'Reich says, or shop around for a different opinion. Seems the underlying reasoning is that it is different to do something as a yachid, than to do something as a klal. It is not so much about what was wrong with the event, as it is about creating a new institution of the bein hzmanim kumzits.
If we are blaming the boys fir the police actions eventhough ut had nothing to do with them why font wr also hold the mechanchim and Rebbeim with some accountability too? Thede boijust finished a long winter zman in The respected yedhivos.
Reb Shalom Ber should move to Lakewood and we will finally have someone that understands all the people of Lakewood. He also has shimush from Reb Aaron Leib ztzl.
Beautiful clear eloquent refreshing. Clarity amidst chaos common sense amidst craziness.
ReplyDeleteI have one ? This is all very true what the Rosh hayeshiva said I just don't understand wear is the cry out with all the fundraisers for organizations/yeshivas with he exact same setup singers foods hors d'oeuvres wine why is it okay for raising money but not okay for this ? Just searching for answers I'm not looking to argue
ReplyDeleteTo Anon 5:32, you obviously need to listen to the shiur again. The difference is that this asifa was FOR yeshiva bachurim. To make such an asifa for bnei Torah is a Yehudah in the tzurah of a Ben Torah. Fundraisers is geared for ba'alei batim.
DeleteSo I are saying u are better then the bocherim u can stuff your face party like a rock star and tell your kids to stay home you are in for a surprise u will fail the answer is that for money you can do anything for koved you can do anything and yes the comment below is right if u are a yeshiva that turns down 90% of the Town cuz they're not good enough for you you have no right to tell people what to do if u are open minded then you wouldn't have these type of yeshivas
DeleteAnon 8:04, thats not what I heard. the difference wasn't so much about whether you are a bochur ar Baal HaBas. the difference is whether it is seen as a community wide event (instituting a new minhag), or just the actions of some yechidim. It would seem if 50 or even 100 bochirim wanted to get together and make a siyum or kumzits, no one would have an issue
Delete1. The Mishnah says A true chochum sees the “nolad” the consequence of things. And everyone should have known what was going to happen. 2. They look at the gedolim in EY and see that protests are ok. 3. Lmaseh although some roshei yeshivos were against it the kol koreh was the yungerman and it’s not the first time 4. Comparing them to the eigel!!... 5. The biggest issue is that they are still ignoring the point that we are not DOING ANYTHING for good boys that need a little break
ReplyDeleteWhen Rab Urin speaks, the best thing for you to do is to shut your mouth. If you don't understand, then call him and ask him
DeleteHis opening words say he’s open for the criticism and it sounds like he knows what people say in the blogs so it’s just a way of asking
DeleteAnd the follow up kumzitz was a bigger bizayon than the first one. They basically created a situation where they taught our bochurim that if they don't like what the Roshei Yeshiva say, they can throw a tantrum and get their way. None of the Roshei Yeshiva were maskim to the second kumzitz. They just chose not to fight. What an embarrassment
DeleteAnon 5:40 pm. "we are not DOING ANYTHING for good boys that need a little break" I don't know, my son did something. He didn't say all bochurim shouldn't have an outlet, he seemed to think that some could use an outlet. The opposition was due to the fact that it was done as a tzibbur
DeleteRabbi Reich is an outstanding talmud Chochom. However I am not sure if everything was explained to him with the full details.
ReplyDeleteNot many boys were outside a house in Forest Park, they were singing songs of devakus heartwarming songs. Why was it necessary to call for almost the rntent Lakewood police force to be called in. When they were called in then many of the bochorim came to watch. They then called in police from Jackson, Howell, Brick etc. They pepper sprayed the boys and I heard that four were taken in to the hospital. They police had dogs to chase our kids. Whoever was in charge of perpitrating this autrocity and treating our children like criminals and things should be prosocuted. I must mention that my boys were not involved with kumitz but we're outraged about what happened with our so called Askonim
I am sure if Harav Shmuel heard the entire story he would not agree with banning the event.
It reminded me of the Nazis's persecuting and hounding the Jews. Inocent pure neshamas have been damaged. There was absolutely no need for any police or force. I cry in pain.
If you listened to what he actually said, he was aware of that. His point was that the end result was a chilul hashem, and when someones actions lead to a chilul hashem, that in itself is wrong. He was addressing bochurim for the aspect that was nogea to them
DeleteRebbe
ReplyDeletewe were taught not to listen
by those who dont listen to R Ahron Lieb and R Chaim
or those who didnt listen to the Zikney America who were against Citifield
I do understand the Point of the Drasha. However, the reality for anyone with teen boys or girls is that there is a lot going on in town and if you have children that are slipping and getting in with the wrong friends and influences, this seems like the perfect venue to have. At least 1/3 of parents in town would be thrilled if their children would associate with this type of event rather than with other things. If you exclude 1/2 of the boys from the so called Aleph yeshivos because they don't fit into your box, then you have no right to make rules for that half of the town. It's a double standard. You can't get into Yeshivos and schools and you still want to make rules for them. One of the main causes of kids going off is rejection and that is what brings down the level that was in place in Lakewood in the past
ReplyDeleteand yes, as everyone has been pointing out, everything goes when it comes to fundraising events including for the so called Aleph Yeshivos. It's a real double standard
In my personal experience, yeshivas work very differently than other primary or girls high schools. I had issues with getting some of the primary schools, but when it came time for Yeshiva, my son got into every Yeshiva he had applied (including ones you may refer to as aleph aleph). In yehivas, the learning is more advanced, hashkafos can also begin to widen, so it is important that they try to accept bochurim who are on the same level for everyones interest. If you are worried about bochurim blowing off steam during bein hazmanim, you should be even more worried about sending a bochur to a Yeshiva with a higher intensity or a higher level than where he is holding.
DeleteAs far as the Drashah, R'Uhren Reich is the real deal, my personal opinion would have been different, and I don't know if my R"Y was alive now, whether he would agree, but he isn't alive, and I wouldn't oppose what R'Reich says, or shop around for a different opinion. Seems the underlying reasoning is that it is different to do something as a yachid, than to do something as a klal. It is not so much about what was wrong with the event, as it is about creating a new institution of the bein hzmanim kumzits.
If we are blaming the boys fir the police actions eventhough ut had nothing to do with them why font wr also hold the mechanchim and Rebbeim with some accountability too?
ReplyDeleteThede boijust finished a long winter zman in The respected yedhivos.
Reb Shalom Ber should move to Lakewood and we will finally have someone that understands all the people of Lakewood. He also has shimush from Reb Aaron Leib ztzl.
ReplyDelete