While there are selfless individuals who deal with placing children in schools, a vaad hachinuch is essential to make sure kids get placed in the right school that suits their needs. The decisions should be made by Mechanchim as Rav Aaron Leib suggested. Watch the famous Video of Rav Shteinman were he adamantly yells Gaaveh Gaaveh gaaveh pertaining to not taking kids in to school for "Frummeh cheshboines" גאווה, גאווה גאווה.
Wednesday, December 13, 2017
Rav Shteinman's Tzavaah for Lakewood: Establish a Vaad Hachinuch
The City of Lakewood, NJ was Zoche to host Rav Shteinman Zatzal 4 times while he came to give chizuk in chutz Laaretz. Despite his old age Rav Shteinman traveled all over the world giving chizuk to yidden in frum communities. During one of his visits to Lakewood either in 2006 or 2010 a meeting took place at the home of the Lakewood Rosh yeshiva, in attendance were roshei mosdos roshei Chabura and other askanim. The discussion surrounded Chinuch issues and Rav Shteinman encouraged those assembled to create A vaad Hachinuch that will be staffed by Mechanchim and Rebbeim to deal with the school acceptance issue. Unfortunately to this day it has not happened, it's time to establish it now.
While there are selfless individuals who deal with placing children in schools, a vaad hachinuch is essential to make sure kids get placed in the right school that suits their needs. The decisions should be made by Mechanchim as Rav Aaron Leib suggested. Watch the famous Video of Rav Shteinman were he adamantly yells Gaaveh Gaaveh gaaveh pertaining to not taking kids in to school for "Frummeh cheshboines" גאווה, גאווה גאווה.
While there are selfless individuals who deal with placing children in schools, a vaad hachinuch is essential to make sure kids get placed in the right school that suits their needs. The decisions should be made by Mechanchim as Rav Aaron Leib suggested. Watch the famous Video of Rav Shteinman were he adamantly yells Gaaveh Gaaveh gaaveh pertaining to not taking kids in to school for "Frummeh cheshboines" גאווה, גאווה גאווה.
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i thought lakewood already has a vaad for this job called IGUD HAMOSDOS. or is that just a group of the Deans of all the schools getting together to talk etc....
ReplyDeleteThe Igud Mosdos does not claim that they deal with acceptance issues
DeleteAcceptance is NOT the issue in Lakewood.
ReplyDeleteApplications are.
If parents would apply to the correct school for their child - instead of the "correct" school for their reputation - the issue would disappear by itself.
Lie lie lie Gaivah Gaivah Gaivah your comment only solidified what Rav Shteinman spoke about.
DeleteAcceptance IS the issue. Speak to the parents who were rejected from 4 new schools. And parents also have a right to apply to wherever they feel would be best for their child.
That is horribly untrue.
DeleteI know plenty of parents who send their children to schools they are unhappy with and that a bad fit for their child because the schools that are better won't accept them.
The parents are looking for a actually good school. Not a good reputation.
Say you have a kid from a MO family and Satmar is the only mosod willing to accept him I don't think the parents can be faulted for keeping home rather than sending him there
Very bad extreme example.
DeleteCertainly have the right to apply. But the school has the right to pick any 25 kids they want out of the 200 applicants. We all know they don't have room for 200.As long as thhey take So you are totally off base. Why does the school have to take your friend over the other 25 kids they decided to take. It's shivah on your part to suggest that your friend is better than the other parents who will be accepted. That's the real gaivah
ReplyDeleteA school should be run for the public good, not according to their 'wants'. The baalebatim of schools are constantly demanding hakoras hatov, yet when it comes to helping people, it is only what they 'want'.
DeleteYour name is appropriate. You haven't answered the question. If the school fills it's class to the max and beyond it is serving the public good by educating children .Why should they take your friend or neighbor over the children they are taking. Why should they leave out somebody else to take your friend or neighbor. It's the school right to take who they want and fill up their class for the public good. Why is your neighbor considered more public good than somebody else. They can only help 25 kids. What's the difference who it is ? Just because they chose to help somebody else instead of your neighbor, that makes them not for the public good ?
DeleteBecause if they chose according to the needs of the townspeople, everyone would have a spot. It is not as if the one who is refused in one place is welcomed in another. The reason he is 'second class' follows him wherever he applies. If schools would not focus on their 'rights' and more on their responsibilities, this would cease to be an issue.
DeleteBut never forget our 'chiyuv' of hakoras hatov to the poor people who selflessly volunteer to use their busy days to run schools. Most are living in abject poverty and are subject to abuse wherever they go (Poe's law alert, that was sarcasm)
Everyone has a spot. Those that apply to the less full schools and the schools that,are not so in demand, get their spit right away. Those that are more picky have to wait to get their spot
DeleteEveryone has a spot. Those that apply to the less full schools and the schools that,are not so in demand, get their spit right away. Those that are more picky have to wait to get their spot
DeleteGaivah not shivah. Spellcheck is bad
ReplyDeleteYour spellcheck seems to know more than you give it credit. It knows that gaiva leads to Shiva. Nothing good comes of all the pain being caused.
DeleteWe have Chai lifeline. Mesameach.missaskim. Chaverim. But when it comes to schools it's every man for himself? This problem is the cause for sholom bayis problems, sinas chinom, OTD issues and maybe even future drug abuse. Why is this not priority 1? We have been ploppling on blogs since 2009. Just do it. The VAAD IS NOT AN OPTION TO MAKE SURE EVERY CHILD HAS A SCHOOL. THEY ARE KNOWN TO MAKE SURE CHILDREN DONT GET ACCEPTED WHEN IT'S FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS . I am sure there are many people with no conflict of interest willing to help. If I can be of any use please sign me up. Anyone else?
Money can solve this problem. If the supply was bigger than the demand ,the problem would decrease dramatically . If we had more money to make smaller classes and to.pay rebeim and teachers more ,then most of the otd issues would disappear. I have heard this from numerous top mechanchim. But this takes big money and most people,would rather attack the schools and call the school administrators nasty names ,than opening their wallets. They will have hundreds of excuses not to give ,my son didn't get accepted here, my nephew here etc etc. It's easy to have excuses not to give. The end result is more demand than supply ,large classes and rebeim and teachers not getting paid enough. There is plenty of money in town for everything including luxuries and millions for tzedekah But local chinuch is not the priority .Yes people give a little to their own schools ,but most tzedakah money goes out of town. Ask any real mechanech. If money was no object and he could have smaller classes with well paid top rebeim and teachers ,and enough extra resources to tutor the weaker kids and motivate them ,he will tell you that the otd problem will shrink to a very small number. But people won't open their checkbooks. We are talking many millions that is really needed. Bottom line signing up means raising money ,not just telling others what to do.
DeleteThey will have hundreds of excuses not to give ,my son didn't get accepted here
DeleteUnless you are dealing with real Tzadikim it is difficult to expect someone to give major support to a school that rejected their child.
I don't expect anybody to do anything. Everybody is free to do as they please with their money. I am just stating a fact as I heard from serious mechanchim. If there was money for higher pay ,smaller classes ,and the hiring of staff for the weaker students ,then we would not have any otd problem. We can fix most of the problems we have but it needs a lot of money. I'm not saying any individual has any responsibility to do or give anytjing. All i am saying is that there are solutions which require money. If everybody has legitimate reasons not to give ,then so be it.
DeleteThis a topic I wonder about: When it comes to giving Tzedoka does a school in Lakewood which would never accept my child come before a school that would accept my child if I lived in their city?
DeleteIt's the old story. Everybody only cares about themselves. The fact that somebody else will be left out if they get in ,doesn't really bother them. If they don't get in , then the school is reshoim and ballei gaivah. If they get in ,but because of them somebody else doesn't get in ,then the school is great .
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with the Vaad.Stop with the Vaad sinah already .If kids go otd you can raise money fir them. But when schools need many thousands of dollars to hire special tutors for kids whose parents cant afgird the tutors ,then nobody cares and the money is not to be found. Why dont you call the principals of some of the schools .They will enlighten you that they personally have to go schnorring to raise money for tutors so kids don't go otd .If you think our tuition base is enough to pay for tut ors or social workers ors oecia mixed teachers , you are wrong . Everybody here thinks that by criticizing the mosdos ,they are fixing the problem but thsts not the solution.
ReplyDeleteInstead of complaining and deciding who and when and which schools to give zedakah - Just open more schools to include all including all the 'hailigeh' rejects. Once a few more schools open the application and acceptance will change very quickly.
ReplyDeleteThere should be a clause in all new schools that all those with siblings in existing schools "need not apply".
That was the point of my comments.spend money to open schools.
DeleteI know somebody who wanted to make a high school that would accept everybody. He was told by people that he would not get even 10 applicants. Parents won't apply to a school if it accepts everybody. They want to feel that the school has high standards and any school that accepts everybody ,obviously can't have the highest standards. So there you have it. It's the parents who create this problem ,not the schools. The schools just cater to what the parents want. The minute a school announces that they will accept everybody ,their applications and enrollment will plummet. They will be left with only problem cases. Dont blame the schools .You cant expect them to he on a suicide mission
Deletehttp://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/from-black-hat-to-trans-ally-and-paying-a-price/
ReplyDeleteCrazy story is this child in a school.
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