Letter about the Mesivta acceptance printed in TVOL.
Sunday, March 4, 2018
Mesivtos in Lakewood Take in More Bochurim to Accommodate Growth
There was a record number of applicants of boys going to Mesivta for next year. After the first round there was many boys who did not have a place. The menahlim added 2 boys more per class taking in an additional 70 boys into the 35 mesivtas in town. There are still some bochurim who didn't get in yet.
Letter about the Mesivta acceptance printed in TVOL.
Letter about the Mesivta acceptance printed in TVOL.
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There is no game like the game of chess that goes on between rosh mosdos in Lakewood using our children as chess pieces for their own power/money/kavod trip.
ReplyDeleteIt's supply and demand if there was a shortage of bochurim they would grab any boy they could get.
DeleteWhy does everyone have to have a full class of Metzuyanim. The Good Average solid boys Are Crushed By the current system.
DeleteThis Year's acceptance process Was beyond crazy.
Why don't you make a mesivta that is Lesham shomayim ? There is such a huge demand and there are plenty of capable yungeleit who will work for cheap .
Delete"power/money/kavod trip..."
DeleteSPOT ON!
Like one Gadol said. "they're in it for the the 3 K's. Kaavod, Kash and Koach". Power, money and honor.
Why don't you?
DeleteBecause I don't have taynos and I don't bashmutz the peopke who have mesivtas. I was responding to the commenter who bashmutzed every single person who has a mezsivta, so I told him to make his own so we will at least have one mezivta that is not in it only for the bad things he accused the others of
DeleteOnly one new mesivta opened for this coming year and some took in over 40 kids in 9th grade.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if you realized how some questions answer the other questions if boys are taking 1 farher in more than one Mesivta then the mesivta has to Farher more than the amount that they're taking in and then they accept in stages based on who's most suited for the yeshiva. Then they wait too hear from the boys if they will actually be coming or going to the other mesivta they got into. The yeshiva will then send out the next wave of acceptance letters. So on and so forth
ReplyDeleteI heard from someone who did not love R Rechnitz's speech a few years ago who this year after going through the process of mesivta acceptance commented "maybe Rechnitz is right after all
ReplyDeleteNo shaychus because Mesivtas dont look at the background how the parents dress as long as the boy is top stuff. Money wont either push a kid in if hes not up to par.
Deletetrue they only want top stuff. but you are wrong money WILL get boys in even if they aren't up to par.
DeleteOne "Mesivta owner" told my brother whose son is an excellent kid that his yeshiva is only looking to "accommodate" the top 10 percent of the top 3 boys of every 8th grade class in Lakewood. My nephew was only from the top 5 boys of the class.
ReplyDeleteI think that Mesivta Owner Shlita used to be a used car dealer or something like that. So he knows good boys. Or maybe he just looks at bachurim like used cars he can sell. Or parts...
Yes "ACCOMMODATE" is the politically correct and 'fancy' language they know, which in other words means sifting thru the goods, sniffing the bank accounts, and most of all LEVERAGE. Vihamevin yavin.
DeleteAt the end of the day, it all boils down to money. Parents aren't willing to pay what it costs to run a mesivta, so by being selective they can try to force parents to pay more.
ReplyDeleteTake a mesivta of 70 boys. You need a staff of at least 5, each making 60k. If there's an English program, it costs even more. Add the cost of food, board, building, utilities, it comes out to almost 7500 per child. Parents aren't paying those sums.
Most people feel they are entitled to everything but are not required to pay their share. Thst is somebody else's responsibility to pay for my son . If you would really pay a magid shiur a normal living wage, the cost per bochur would be a lot more than 7500 .
DeleteI am not aware of any Mesivtas in Lakewood that "board" talmidim, and my sons tuitions are, and I pay significantly more than $7,500
Deleteab, your number are off. you'r obviously from out of town, over the hill, or just clueless.
Deletealmost no one has English here. Maybe in Teaneck where you come from they do.
Board?? What board. Mesivtas don't have dorms in lakewood. Get with it kid.
almost no one makes 40k. Never mind 60k.
If its 70 parents, then they are paying at least $5000, many $6500 which equals over $350,000 to $400,000 for a staff that's barely getting paid (except for the guy on top. keep on reading). Dont forget these yeshivas have fundraisers and they fund-raise AND get partial government funding. So the REAL question your probably too afraid to ask is: Where is all the money going?
Right so you feel somebody can support 4 morning rebeim, 4 afternoon rebeim ,4 nigh seder rebeim ,one menahel ,a building mortgage and utilities and an administrator to take care of the building and tuitions all on 350,000 .
Deleteto anonymous at 4:52at this point there are quite a few mesivtas with english...and plenty of parents that are wishing their sons had english.pple dont have to be from places like teaneck to have english in high school. There are a number of mesivtas with dorms too.
DeleteThere is no need nor is there a mesivta in Lakewood that has "4 morning rebeim, 4 afternoon rebeim ,4 nigh seder rebeim ,one menahel ,a building mortgage and utilities and an administrator" for 70 boys!
DeleteIt might be worthwhile to actually visit Lakewood before you comment.
This is making me wonder, for some Mesivtas, where is all the money going. the successful Mesivtas have over 20 bochurim in each class, and charge more than $7,500 in tuition. I never considered asking for a tuition break, because if I can afford it, even though it is a struggle, I felt it wasn't proper to ask for a break. I was always under the impression that they needed the money and didn't ask for a break. But the numbers really don't add up.
DeleteI understand there are some Mesivtas that give a lot of breaks, but there are clearly also some that are quite profitable.
I live in Lakewood ,most likely a lot longer than you do . I have children and numerous relatives that have gone through numerous mesivtas. Every mesivta that is 4 years old has that amount of rebeim .Most mesivtas have newer buildings,with large mortgages as I personally know .Not every mesivta has 30 kids in a class and some only had 18 or 19 per class for the last few years. The last 2 years there has been a shortage and yes the mesivtas have taken bigger classes .But that wasnt always the case for many years .You sound s little bitter about mesivtas and maybe you would have liked to ooen a mesivta or you had problems with mesivtas .But most people are not so fartaynat against mesivtas like you are .
DeleteMesivta are not like elementary schools. When people research which Mesivta to send to, it is strongly based upon the rebeim in the Mesivtas. Opening up a second class defeats the purpose of choosing which Mesivta to send to, as you don't know who will be your sons Rebbeim.
ReplyDeleteA mesivta rebbi is also very different than a elementary Rebbi. Many bochurim developed a kesher with their Mesivta Rebbi for life, with 40 bochurim in a class, that is just not going to happen.
As far as not getting a response for a week or 2, if the Mesivta really wants your son, they will let you know much earlier than that. If you applied to 3 places, and one comes back with an acceptance, but the others won't committ, than go with the one that accepted your son.
I don't know what happened this year, but in general,there are always people looking to open Mesivtas, many times it doesn't work out because it is hard to attract the first year.
Long term, in genwral, Mesivtas are also less financially demanding to open than girls high schools, or boys and girls elementary schools for a number of reasons.
I don't know what the short term solution is for those who had a problem getting into a mesivta. Long term, there are many more people who want to be a Rosh Mesivta, as well as Mesivta rebbeim than elementary. But turning Mesivtas into high schools, with large parallel classes, is not a good idea, and destroys much of what a mesivta is and historically has been.
There are definitely some Mesivtas that still have room and are willing to take in more boys .Do these boys want yo go there ?
ReplyDeleteWhat are the names? Or are you just making this up m?
DeleteThere should be a mandated quota for each mesivta to take in 5-10 average boys, this will solve all the problems it will take away the competition between the mesivtas during the acceptance period to only take the best boys.
ReplyDeleteIts healthier for the class if there is a mix the better boys gain by having the ability to learn with the avergae or shvacher bochurim and develop a achrayus and the tools of giving over.
The average boys also gain by working hard and often it is these boys who surpass the so called metzuyanim as they get to bais medrash.
A class or yeshiva that caters only to Metzuyanim with no diversity or healthy mix is a recepie for disaster IMHO. Statistics show an average of 3 flip outs a year from the metzuyanim class due to the pressure put on the boys.
Bochurim should go to a Mesivta that is on their level. slow it down for the weaker bochurim, and the more advanced bochurim are bored and stifled. teach at the advanced bochurims level, and the weaker ones are lost.
DeleteOpen a mesivta in Westgate, it will have a BM so you'll kill two birds with one stone.
ReplyDeleteIf you really believe that every mesivta has only 30 to 35 meyzuyonim in their 9th grade class, then I have a bridge to sell you . There are maybe 4 mesivtas out of the 40 or so mesivtas that really have mostly metzuyonim .Even those 4 mesivtas end up with a number of average boys for various reasons .Children of Rebeim ,relatives of the,Rosh mesivta, relatives of major supporters ,grandchildren of the Rosh mesivtas Rebbeim ,a few siblings that they cant say no to etc etc . So even in the 4 or 5 best mesivtas there will be at least 20 or 25 per cent of average and weaker bochrim.So there is always plenty of the mix that you are looking for .
ReplyDeleteIn the end. they dont get all Metzuyanim but every year they think they will get all metzuyanim for 9th grade. If there was no pressure to get the top because all yeshivos have to take lechatchillah 10 average boys there wont be any games and everyone will have a better shot to get in
DeleteThis is a little silly .With making believe they get only metzuyonim , even the 4 or 5 best mesivtas still get 20 to 25 per cent of average and weaker .Almost every mesivta ends up with 10 average or weaker boys .The majority of mesivtas end up with more than 10 average boys .There is no point in making any rules because every mesivta has its share of average bochuri. Obviously some have more and some have less but everybody has at least 10 .
DeleteSeems to be a lot of socialists and participation trophies on this comment board. Bochurim should be in the same shiur as the others in the shiur, as much as possible. this allows the rebeim to give a shiur that can stimulate the bochurim equally.
DeleteWhen you or a vaad of Askanim funded by the kehila decide to create a mesivta, then you can mandate whatever rules you want .As long as,we as a kehila don't make,and fund schools and we leave it to private people to create ,run and schnorr, then these private people can make their own rules . Especially when all they are doing is trying to stay alive . They are doing what the parents want . If all parent wanted to send their kids with mostly average kids and not metzuyonim ,then the mesivtas would cater to that .Don't blame the schools .They only follow the parents .
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