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Now you understand why people,are not interested in compiling lists .There are lots of different shitos especially when people sell theur comets and continue to sell it in their business ,so it's better to let everybody deal with it and not take a position .
No shaychus if a store is not problematic there is no reason people should not be informed that its ok to shop there. Today 3 people i spoke with asked about the stores which ones are ok, more of a reason why its important to have a list so people should not be nichshal and also as a chesed to help them.
So there,are differences of opinion . If your opinion is that its important and a chesed, then do some research and put out a list .You don't have to be a kashrus agency or Talmud chochom to research ownership of corporations .You can do it just as well as anybody else .No smicha or knowledge of yore deah needed .
Mr. KCL defender Actualy you do need Halachic knowledge to make a list the fact that you mock other kashrus agencies and Rabbonim who work hard to put out lists shows what you think of kashrus. Unfortunately for you its all about choshen mishpat the almighty dollar and not about making sure Yidden eat kosher food.
so by all means go ahead make a list, in your own words you dont have to know Yoreh Deah
If a store is not problematic like you said ,then you need no halachic knowledge . If it is problematic, then don't publicize it as it's controversial .
I don't believe in making a list so why should I make one . There is a good alternative in buying in Shoprite of howell right after Pesach like all the yeshaveleit do. If I had a choice of buying in big stores which have questionable distributors, then I would rather buy in a yidishe store that sold kedin .
The shameful part about this whole mess is that Star-K did not alert the individual consumer through the regular alert system, but only notified its establishments. Something here smells!
Star K is responsible for the establishment's under its own supervision. What people do on their own is their own responsibility. If people rely on the OK its not StarK's place to go public.
Star-k send out alerts on an ongoing basis to people who sign up. Also it has an app that shows the latest alerts. It did not distribute this alert. Why not?? Something smells!
Sir, there is nothing shameful or odious here. The only thing needing correction is your reading comprehension. Rabbi Tendler's message states that star k reviewed the mechirah that was done and their Poseik ruled that it doesn't meet the halachik standards they follow for use in their certified establishments. He commends OK for trying but it's not good enough. It doesn't take much imagination given the enormous scope of this business and given the ownership's lack of commitment to shmiras hamitzvos that a mehudardik mechirah would be impossible to execute. So please take Rabbi Tendler's advice and ask your own Rov whether you can personally enjoy a beer during sefirah.
Now you understand why people,are not interested in compiling lists .There are lots of different shitos especially when people sell theur comets and continue to sell it in their business ,so it's better to let everybody deal with it and not take a position .
ReplyDeleteNo shaychus if a store is not problematic there is no reason people should not be informed that its ok to shop there.
DeleteToday 3 people i spoke with asked about the stores which ones are ok, more of a reason why its important to have a list so people should not be nichshal and also as a chesed to help them.
So there,are differences of opinion . If your opinion is that its important and a chesed, then do some research and put out a list .You don't have to be a kashrus agency or Talmud chochom to research ownership of corporations .You can do it just as well as anybody else .No smicha or knowledge of yore deah needed .
DeleteMr. KCL defender Actualy you do need Halachic knowledge to make a list the fact that you mock other kashrus agencies and Rabbonim who work hard to put out lists shows what you think of kashrus.
DeleteUnfortunately for you its all about choshen mishpat the almighty dollar and not about making sure Yidden eat kosher food.
so by all means go ahead make a list, in your own words you dont have to know Yoreh Deah
If a store is not problematic like you said ,then you need no halachic knowledge . If it is problematic, then don't publicize it as it's controversial .
DeleteI don't believe in making a list so why should I make one . There is a good alternative in buying in Shoprite of howell right after Pesach like all the yeshaveleit do. If I had a choice of buying in big stores which have questionable distributors, then I would rather buy in a yidishe store that sold kedin .
DeleteCan the OK please post their halachic reasoning
ReplyDeleteIf you don't trust them don't buy it, they don't have to post their reasoning so you could start debating them based on your amaratzus.
ReplyDeleteDidn't realize amaratzus was one word, thanks.
DeleteIn English it is dodo
ReplyDeleteThe shameful part about this whole mess is that Star-K did not alert the individual consumer through the regular alert system, but only notified its establishments. Something here smells!
ReplyDeleteStar K is responsible for the establishment's under its own supervision. What people do on their own is their own responsibility. If people rely on the OK its not StarK's place to go public.
ReplyDeleteStar-k send out alerts on an ongoing basis to people who sign up. Also it has an app that shows the latest alerts.
DeleteIt did not distribute this alert.
Why not?? Something smells!
Sir, there is nothing shameful or odious here. The only thing needing correction is your reading comprehension. Rabbi Tendler's message states that star k reviewed the mechirah that was done and their Poseik ruled that it doesn't meet the halachik standards they follow for use in their certified establishments. He commends OK for trying but it's not good enough. It doesn't take much imagination given the enormous scope of this business and given the ownership's lack of commitment to shmiras hamitzvos that a mehudardik mechirah would be impossible to execute. So please take Rabbi Tendler's advice and ask your own Rov whether you can personally enjoy a beer during sefirah.
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