Wednesday, November 15, 2017

Giyus: Bnei Torah in the I.D.F.'s Crosshairs

Against the Backdrop of the Supreme Court's Decision:
Giyus: Bnei Torah in the I.D.F.'s Crosshairs

   By: Beinish Dorit                                             

Am Yisrael, Listen Up!
Giyus, the army draft is here in real time. The Israeli government is proactive to fill the I.D.F. with yeshiva-oriented recruits. Things aren't the way they used to be.
Since the inception of the State, an agreement was in place, that allowed b'nei Yeshiva a 'pitur,' or deferment from military service. Years ago, the Bayit Yehudi party revised the 'chok' with Shivyon Benetal – everyone must contribute and share the burden of the country's defense. Still, whether you embrace Bnei Brak's philosophy, or in contrast, are of "Peleg" orientation, all will acknowledge that the government's on-line ad tells a different story.

Witness its text: "Rotzim l'shanot, rotzim l'hishtalev." Literally: 'They want change [for themselves] and opt to blend in with society.
A prominent Israeli attorney brings us up to speed. He employs similar verbiage to explain the Memshala's intentions:
לא ניתן להתעלם מכך שרשויות המדינה גמרו אומר לשלב את החרדים במוסדותיה ובאורח חייה החילוני, והדרך להשגת שילוב זה מתחילה [ונגמרת] בצבא. הצבא הוא הכלי לשילוב ולשנוי, שמבקשות הרשויות לחולל בחברה החרדית. עיקרון זב שזור כחוט השני לאורך התיקונים המחמירים בחוק, ומהווה את הבסיס להם.
One cannot ignore the fact that the authorities have decided to incorporate the Haredi people into its institutions and secular way of living. The means to achieve these goals begins – and ends, with the army. "Tzavah" is a tool being used to incorporate and alter the Haredi community to its liking. 
In short, Yahadut's shortfall is the army's livelihood ר"ל.


Rav Elyashiv – Psak and Hashkafa

An acquaintance recounts how, during his tenure of study in Israel, he sat by Rav Elyashiv zt'l, as a 'chayal' from a hesder yeshiva, walked in and inquired as to the Kashrus of a Mezuzah at his military base.


Here's the conversation: 'L'mah ata mitkavain' – what do you mean to infer, queried the Rav. 'She'zeh dira ba'al korcho' – that a domain in which an individual is coerced to abide in, is not a normative dwelling place, and is therefore absolved of Mitzvas Mezuzah? [See Tractate Yoma 10b]
"Zeh lo ba'al corchi, ani merutza la'asot tzavah!" – it's not against my will, countered the soldier, I'm agreeable to army service!
"Zeh tzorich li'yot ba'al corchacha" – it should be against your will, said Rav Elyashiv.

Then he asked the zkan haposkim the $64,000 question: "Lamah lo osim bnei yeshiva tzavah?" – and quoted the Rambam that it's a mitzvah to defend the Yishuv in Eretz Yisrael against an enemy.

Rav Elyashiv answered: Yeshivaleit are not obligated to train, they're only 'mechuyav' to fight – and then Tzavah won't take them. Then he continued: And even if they are enjoined to train, you're not mechuyav to put your life in the hands of Arik Sharon [Sar Bitachon at the time]. The Posek Hador provides clarity and perspective for this crucial issue.

The Giyus issue is larger than life – who is Am Yisrael? Who's in charge of the Jewish People?

The 'Memshala' wants a piece of everything you do and think. But what of history? Our inexplicable survival upends Tzavah ideology.

3,000 years of experience has embedded in the Jewish human condition, that a Supreme entity micromanages the course of human events, even as we speak.
Jewish Home Party has partnered with others to write an alternate narrative, a fictional novel of 'Im tirtzu, ain zu agada' – we can determine our own fate.
The Settler movement have their fingers in this pie, too – as enablers, they catapulted 'Bayit Yehudi' into power. In Bayit Yehudi's parallel world, a ben yeshiva's ruchniyut is worth expunging, just so that Chibat Eretz Yisrael reigns supreme.

Their rendition of the Passover Hagada reads, 'Ilu natan lanu Eretz Yisrael, v'lo natan lanu et haTorah, Dayeinu!' Had You given us the Land and not the Torah, t'would have been enough. So they crafted a chok with two periods of "Histalgut," – adaptation timelines, till the entire olam hayeshivos enters the army's enclaves ר"ל.

The military is seen as a 'kur hahituch' – a melting pot – with humanism; your Yiddishkeit melts down. Well, if that's the case, it's time to get the heck out of there before it's too late, and embrace the only truth – that the Boreh Olam calls the shots 24/7.

The Mid-East is a region in flux – Iran has got its own "Tekufat Histalgut" in its quest for a Shia Crescent in Syria, a hegemony of Shiite belief. Tehran has plans to build a naval and air base, too. Israel with its massive firepower, stands by helplessly, while its nemesis moves in next door.
This is not a random event. Although we don't comprehend His masterplan, obviously, Hashem is moving the pieces into place, to bring the world to its tikun, with Tzahal and the rest of us as mere spectators.

As the Torah describes how Yaacov Avinu brought his household before Esau, it states: And he placed the shefachos – handmaidens and their children first [Breishis 33:2] and Leah and her children afterwards, and then Rachel and Yosef last.

According to the Vilna Gaon's interpretation of the Tikunei Zohar, (see אבן שלמה פרק י"א) this refers to the period preceding the final Geulah. The "handmaidens," first in the procession alludes to the wayward leaders of the Jewish People, who will hold the reins of power at the time. "Leah and her children" are a veiled reference to the amei ha'aretz – simple folk, whose 'tovim' – righteous amongst them will be subjugated under their rule. "Rachel and her children last" are symbolic of the talmidei chachomim "shefolim v'nivzim" – who will be subject to 'zilzul' – condescended on by the wicked leaders of the time.

This Divine script may very well be a stark portrayal of our timeline. If I was on the High Court, or was Naftali Bennet, Motty Yogev, or a member of the Yesha who knowingly voted 'Bayit Yehudi' in, I'd be shaking in my boots; obviously, anybody who's got a hand with tampering with Talmidei Chachamim and the Torah, and certainly who the Zohar speaks of in this manner, is going to get toasted.

Truth to tell, the conduct of the Bagatz, Israel's Supreme Court, Naftali Bennett and his cohorts, the I.D.F. and its officers, would give armchair psychiatrists something to chew on.
Why does it bother you so, that Chareidi Jews are scrupulous in mitzvot observance and steeped in Torah study?
You've revised the chok – as of Tuesday, September 12 – that all bnei Yeshiva must be eventually be conscripted.

Why do you feel mortally wounded to the point that their 'Yahadut' must go?
Your Chevra are preeminent 'feinschmekers' in every sense: You claim to see the nuclear doings in Iran's cavernous mountains; and you say, we can peer into Syria's backroads and bypasses – the only place you fail to look into is deep down inside your own selves. Deep in your gut, you feel inferior, inadequate – you sense something is missing in your life. How come I also don't keep the Torah – I'm a Yehudi, too!

This is not the way things are supposed to be, but you can't make peace with the Torah, so instead you opt for a cynical גם לי גם לך לא יהיה – I'll ruin it for the rest. This way, we'll feel better about ourselves.

Rabotai! Don’t be darn fools – the destiny of the Yishuv in Eretz Yisrael is in Someone else's hands. We've got an ironclad havtacha about the Torah: "לא ימושו מפיך ומפי זרעך ומפי זרע זרעך מעתה ועד עולם!". The Boreh Olam has other plans for the Jewish People, an עם קדוש ונאמן לאלקיו. So shall it be – soon in our time בקרוב, אמן כי"ר .

37 comments:

  1. Is that story from Rav Elyashiv printed anywhere? powerful words.

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  2. Great article. But is there a reason why you didn't explain how bad the law was? You didn't go into the quotas and recruiters and all the other terrible aspects of the law that some seem to embrace (mishpacha magazine Nov 3).

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  3. Oy vey! This law is terribly dangerous. Let us hope that those who have responsibility for the bnei hayeshiva in EY don't do anything stupid and pointless. Let us hope that they understand what hishtadlus really is and they don't rile up public support for the laws that would close down yeshivos. Let us hope that they have the sechel not to rely on slogans and rabble rousing to achieve an important goal.

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  4. Isn't that like saying a person is mechuyav is limud torah but not in training how to learn torah.
    If u dont train to learn then u will never learn how to learn. If u dont train how to fight, then how are u going to fight?

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  5. This is such absurd nonesense. There is no conspiracy theory of akiras hadaas. I don’t believe the story with reb eliyashiv since it makes no sense. The bottom line is there is no reason in the world that someone else has to fight and put his life at risk for the chareidi world. There should be a serious division in the army for chareidim.

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    1. Finally the truth is spoken. This is more about being treated with privilege and cowardice.

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    2. a better idea would be to stop the Zionists endless cycle of pointless wars and make peace. just admit Zionism failed and give it up.
      did you go to any army mr. tough guy? why do you think American soldiers have to fight for you while you sit behind your keyboard?

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  6. This is craziness. Move to America !! Don't block traffic all over Isreal. If you want to stay in Eretz Yisrael listen to the Gedolim . Peleg people are worse than Lakewood traffic

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  7. This article is a mixture of slogans, specious arguments, irrelevant quotes and foolishness.

    There is nothing wrong with encouraging people with a slogan of אם תרצו, אין זו אגדה. The idea that this is keffira, or in some way connected to Yeshiva Bochurim in the army is ludicrous.

    I would recommend that readers check out kvarhaya.blogspot.com for a collection of documents regarding the history of the draft. Nothing is as simple as it seems.

    The one thing we should all keep in mind is that Israel is not America. There are experienced Charedi newspaper writers and politicians, who can spin facts better than any US news outlet. They are well experienced and know how to create a narrative that is either totally false or irrelevant. We should keep in mind that nothing is as it seems from afar, and the best thong is to just keep out of their issues. Just keep quiet.

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    1. Hmm you don't like what the writer says so you take the approach of keeping out of it. Just curious if the article would fit your narrative would you sing a different tune?

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    2. Anonymous 5:57
      I happen not to be the issue over here. The bochurim in EY are. And they need mature leadership, not בנין נערים. When someone can show a signed letter from a mature adult claiming that they know what is going on and that the actions of the Peleg are correct, then we will have an issue. Until then, it is bochurim and newspaper editors against Roshei Yeshiva.
      For us in chutz laaretz to have opinions, and not just opinions but to believe the bochurim and newspaper editors against the Roshei Yeshiva, is ludicrous.

      And if there is one person in Lakewood who knows EY and understands the mentality, we all know who he is. He was born un EY and learnt in Ponovezh and was close to Rav Shach. How about asking him?

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    3. Zichron, You conveniently left out Roshei yeshiva in EY who are of a different opinion weather you identify with Peleg at least respect that they have leaders who they follow. In addition 3 Roshei Yeshiva in the US who are on the Moetzes Gedolei haTorah of the Aguda are of a different opinion than you too. RAF not only lived in Bnei Brak for many years but he recently went to EY to verify the facts. Its disingenuous of you to say that its bochurim and newspaper editors against Roshei Yeshiva while you just ignore the facts that there is anther school of thought led by Roshei yeshiva and gedolei Torah.
      The article specifically avoids taking sides and address the threat that exists. the question is what approach to take at this time.

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    4. opposition to a universal draft is not unique to hapeleg. any decent person opposes the idea. Reagan said that a universal draft is the government's way of telling you that they own your children. that is exactly how it is used in israel. they admit this on the front page of the IDF's website - the army is not just for fighitng their pointless wars, it is a "rite of passage" and "melting pot" to get control of young people and indoctrinate them in the way they want.

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    5. Anon 7:44
      Do you have any proof that these RYs know what the Peleg is doing and they take responsibility for it? Do any of them participate in these hafganos?

      Moetzes members do not convey any authority. They are not voted in, talmidei chachomim are not the ones choosing them and some of the major talmidei chachomim in America were never considered for the job. Reb Zelig Epstein was the manhig of the olam hayeshivos in the US and was not there. Etc..

      And the portrayal of the army as a melting pot is a red herring. Since 1948 the Gedolim have all been of one opinion. Get the lomdei torah free from the army. Not religious people, not Charedim. It was never like giyus banos. No יהרג ואל יעבור slogans were used, nobody dared risk the bnei torah for those whose religion was at risk due to the army. Only lomdei torah. The CI said this many times, Reb Chaim Shmuelevitz, Rav Shach. Those who want to change the system have no business trying to force it on others. Especially in those cases where the position on the Moetzes is a product of genetics, not ability.

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    6. Zichron your true colors now fully shine thru you disparage talmidei chachomim who dont agree with your small mind, you ignore and refuse to respond to any of the points made. You now resort to the hafganos to make the peleg look bad. Did you have a different opinion before the hafganos?
      the answer is NO! you refuse to acknowledge other gedolei yisrael.

      Your last line is what chazal say עפרא לפומיה bizuy talmidei chachomim means nothing to you!!!!!!

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    7. Zichron did not make hafganos to make the peleg look bad. The peleg made the hafganos. Are they blaming someone else for them?

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  8. This article doesn't explain what is new here. There has been attempts to draft Bnei Yeshivos for decades. The article seems to indicate that there is some new fight that didn't exist before but gives zero details other then surmising that the secular leadership is interested in the charaidim adapting their lifestyle which unfortunately has been their goal since the state's founding "AIN Kol Chodosh Tachas Hashemesh"

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  9. living in eretz yisroel its really funny how little the american oilam know its amazing that the oilam in america know 1000s of bochurim (mamash the best bochurim in yeshiva )who are in the army by force but over here no one seems to know anyone who was drafted by force btw efsher satmar should step up their chinuch and stop sending bochurim here that end up in the army never mind the americans who bring down the rama of bnei torah in eretz yisroel

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    1. You sound like an American making believe that your in Eretz Hakodesh weve seen these tactics before.

      The olam in America is very aware of what goes on we have gedolim herein America and we follow them.
      Can you back up your statement about Americans bringing down the rama of bnei Torah please explain it to us clueless Amrican bnei Torah.

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    2. come live here for 1 month and see for urself or are gonna just sit on your big couch in ur fancy house and talk about 10000 bnie torah who eat sardines for shabbos because they cant afford anything else and bash them for not being moser nefesh and going to the army

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  10. There seems to be a lot of misinformation and propaganda being spread. A couple weeks ago Horav Englandar Of Bais Shmaya (big Sefardi Yeshiva) spoke at a special kinnus and said that the notion that the sefardi olam hatorah are more at risk of getting drafted is completely false and no sefardi who wants to learn had ever had a problem getting an exception. He called out those who are spreading false rumors. Does anybody know why there are people interested in spreading misinformation?

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    1. Exactly you spread misinformation to tilt the news to your side. Lots of sefardi yeshiva boys fell prey to the traps of the tzayadim.
      Are you aware of the drasha given by sefardi rosh yeshiva Rav Yehuda Cohen shlita refuting these claims. He said in the last few years the army drafted 10,000 chareidim 80 percent are sefardim if even a quarter of that is bnei yeshiva the number is at 2500.
      Ten sefardi roshei yeshiva signed the letter about the army attempt to close down sefardi yeshivos.

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    2. הגאון הגדול רבי ציון בוארון שליט"א זועק את זעקת עולם התורה ואומר:

      "כיום בלשכת הגיוס מערימים קשיים על בני התורה המתייצבים לקבלת דיחוי! והם עושים כל מיני פיתויים, בכל מיני אמצעים, כדי להשפיע על לומדי התורה לעזוב מקור מים חיים – את הישיבה הקדושה"

      מטרת חוק הגיוס – חיסול הישיבות הספרדיות!

      בקום המדינה הייתה לנו רק ישיבה אחת -"פורת יוסף", וכיום מי מילל שבני הישיבות הספרדים מונים למעלה משישים אחוז מכלל הישיבות בארה"ק, ולכן כיום הם נלחמים בישיבות, כאשר מטרתם היא הישיבות הספרדיות בדוקא, כי כואב להם, הם חשבו שהדת אצל הספרדים תעלם לגמרי כפי שרצו וניסו.

      צריך להאבק, צריך למחות, לצערנו הבעיה שכמעט כולם שותקים, כולם פוחדים לדבר, אלה הרשעים יכולים לבוא לעצור בחור ולקחת אותו לכלא אפילו בליל חופתו. את האשכנזים הם כמעט לא עוצרים, רק את הספרדים, צריך למחות על החוק הזה! וכיום בלשכת הגיוס מערימים קשיים על בני התורה המתייצבים לקבלת דיחוי! והם עושים כל מיני פיתויים, בכל מיני אמצעים, כדי להשפיע על לומדי התורה לעזוב מקור מים חיים – את הישיבה הקדושה.

      לכן צריכים להתאזר בעזות דקדושה, בעוז בגאון ובגאוה, ולא להתפעל משום פיתוי ולא משום שיחה נאה, אשר מטרתה ברורה: להרחיק את הבחור מהישיבה, ואז הם יבינו שאין להם שום סיכוי עימו. ובעזרת ה' אם נהיה כולנו חזקים, "לא ינוח שבט הרשע על גורל הצדיקים", לא יוכלו לפגוע בנו, ובעז"ה יקויים בנו הפסוק: "כאשר יענו אותו כן ירבה וכן יפרוץ". אמן כן יהי רצון.

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  11. I couldn't find it in the אבן שלמה. Can you please specify which כתבה in פרק י"א it's in?

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    1. אבן שלמה מהדורת ירושלים תשע׳׳ג פרק יא עמוד קע

      וע׳׳ע עמוד רנה

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    2. Yasher koach! Thank you, I found it.

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  12. Horav Englander addressed those claims about 8,000 sephardim drafted and said they are false Here is a transcript of that part of speech debunking those claims "לפי מה שבדקתי כיום, אין שום בעיה לעולם התורה הספרדי, עולם התורה הספרדי לא מופלה ביחס, כל מי שלומד מקבל דיחוי בלי שום בעיה בדיוק כמו אשכנזי, למרות שניסיתי לחפש בזכוכית מגדלת, בן ישיבה ספרדי שביטלו לו את המעמד של בן ישיבה. לא מצאתי. ואם מישהו מכיר, אני מבטיח לבדוק, מאיפה נולד המספר 8000 אינני יודע"

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    1. And here is the response from over 10 Sefardi roshei yeshiva that there is a serious threat and Sefardi brochure are being drafted.

      "ישנם יעדים שנתיים, שכבר כעת עומדים על מספר גבוה מאד של אלפים רבים, אשר הצבא וכל זרועות השלטון מחויבים לפעול בכל הדרכים להביא לגיוס בחורים ואברכים חרדים לצבא ושירות לאומי והם פועלים בזה בכל הדרכים בחכמה גדולה להרע, על ידי ששולחים אנשים מטעמם שחלק מהם לבושים כחרדים ממש ומסתובבים בישיבות ובתי הכנסת וכו' ומשכנעים בחורים ואברכים לעזוב את ספסלי בית המדרש, ועוד מנסים בכל דרך להקשות על בני ישיבות רבים למנוע מהם לקבל את הדיחוי המגיע להם ע"פ חוק, בכל מיני אמתלות ותירוצים שונים ומשונים"

      לפני מספר חודשים שגרו גדולי ומאורי הדור שליט"א מכתב מיוחד לגדולי ישראל שבאמריקה, והתריעו בפניהם על הגזירה הקשה והנוראה, חלקים מתוך המכתב הוקראו כאן ביום חמישי האחרון, נעבור להקריא חלקים נוספים מתוך המכתב:

      "הנה לפני כמה שנים, נתבטל ההסדר שהיה קיים בענין גיוס בני הישיבות, ונשתנה דבר יסודי, שעד אז לא היה הצבא מנסה לגייס את בני הישיבות, אמנם מאז שנתבטל ההסדר החלו לדון ולחקור כיצד יוכלו להצליח לגייס את בני הישיבות, ומאז ועד עתה אף שנשתנה החוק עוד כמה פעמים מכל מקום הם פועלים בדרכים רבים אשר קבועים מפורש בחוק להביא לגיוס בני ישיבות לצבא ושירות לאומי.

      על פי הקבוע בחוק, ישנם יעדים שנתיים, שכבר כעת עומדים על מספר גבוה מאד של אלפים רבים, אשר הצבא וכל זרועות השלטון מחויבים לפעול בכל הדרכים להביא לגיוס בחורים ואברכים חרדים לצבא ושירות לאומי ולמלאת את היעד השנתי. יעדים אלו הולכים וגדלים משנה לשנה עד לעוד כמה שנים, אז יחויבו כל בני הישיבות למעט מספר מצומצם של עילויים להתגייס לצבא.

      מחמת חובתם על פי החוק לעמוד ביעדים שנקבעו, הם פועלים בזה בכל הדרכים בחכמה גדולה להרע, על ידי ששולחים אנשים מטעמם שחלק מהם לבושים כחרדים ממש ומסתובבים בישיבות ובתי הכנסת וכולי, ומשכנעים בחורים ואברכים לעזוב את ספסלי בית המדרש, וגם בלשכות הגיוס מעמידים אנשים מיוחדים ומומחים גדולים למשוך את לב צעירי הצאן.

      ועוד מנסים בכל דרך להקשות על בני ישיבות רבים למנוע מהם לקבל את הדיחוי המגיע להם על פי חוק, בכל מיני אמתלות ותירוצים שונים ומשונים כגון שטוענים שלא דיבר בכבוד לפקידי הלשכה, או שטוענים שהחתימה של ראש הישיבה מזויפת וכדומה, ובפרט כאלו שהם פחות מוכשרים או בעלי רקע משפחתי חלש, וכן בחורים שנמצאים בזמן של משבר או רפיון כלשהו, ובעיקר מבני עדות המזרח.

      גם החלו לדקדק מאד על כל חוקיהם ותקנותיהם לפרטי פרטים, ואינם מגלים שום גמישות בזה, באופן שכל מי שחרג מעט מהנהלים, כגון שאיחר להגיש את התצהיר ביום אחד או שחסר איזה מסמך אחד ופעמים רבות מצוי שהמכתבים לא מגיעים לכתובת הנכונה או שמגיעים זמן קצר מאד לפני המועד ואין שהות להספיק לסדר כל המסמכים בכל זה מעולם לא קרה בעבר שהסתבכו בחורים מחמת כן, וגם אם היו עושים להם בעיות הכל היה מסתדר תוך ימים ספורים על ידי חברי הכנסת או ועד הישיבות וכדומה, ובוודאי שלא היה מעולם שישב תלמיד ישיבה במאסר על כגון דא. אבל כעת הם החלו לדקדק מאד, והרבה בחורים מסובכים מחמת כן, רבים מהם ישבו או יושבים כעת במאסר, וחלקם רחמנא ליצלן, התגייסו לצבא באונס"

      הגאון הגדול רבי אליהו טופיק שליט"א ראש ישיבת באר יהודה

      הגאון הגדול רבי ציון בוארון שליט"א, חבר בית הדין הגדול.

      הגאון המקובל רבי דוד בצרי שליט"א

      הגאון הגדול רבי אהרן ירחי שליט"א

      הגאון הגדול רבי יעקב שכנזי שליט"א

      הגאון הגדול רבי דוד פנירי שליט"א

      הגאון הגדול רבי מנשה שוע שליט"א

      הגאון הגדול רבי ציון כהן שליט"א

      והגאון הגדול רבי יעקב שילוני שליט"א

      על המכתב, הוסיפו כמה מגדולי הדור שליט"א, בסמוך לחתימתם, הוספות בכתב ידם:

      הגאון הגדול רבי אליהו טופיק שליט"א הוסיף וכתב בכתב ידו:

      "ביודעי מקרוב יש הרבה בעיות קשות מצד השלטונות וה' ירחם עלינו"

      והגאון הגדול רבי אהרן ירחי שליט"א הוסיף וכתב:

      "גם אני יודע מקרוב שיש הרבה בעיות מאוד רציניות לפתות ולשכנע וכך להערים קשיים על הבחורים ורבים לצערינו נופלים ברשת ה' ירחם"

      הגאון הגדול רבי מנשה שוע שליט"א הוסיף גם הוא וכתב:

      "ידוע לנו על עובדות בשטח ולבנו חרד על כל המצב"

      והגאון הגדול רבי יעקב שילוני שליט"א כתב:

      "העובדות ידועות וברורות ולהכחישם זה כמו להכחיש את השמש בצהרים"

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    2. One side claims that 8000 Sefardi yeshiva bochurim were drafted, the other says that it has been exaggerated by 7990. How can we, in chu"l, make a decision? The one thing we can do is request pictorial evidence. We can ask for the pictures of empty seats in the yeshivos. It is hardly imaginable that so many people leaving won't leave a major hole in some yeshivos. Where are the empty botei midroshim and dormitories?

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  13. Horav Baruch Solovietchik was approached by "askanim" and told stories about supposed bnei yeshivos that were drafted. When he asked for identities so he could look into it they couldn't provide him with any. Similarly when R' Shaul Alter was approached by that same organization he asked them to give him 10 files of cases so he could investigate. He chose 2 files randomly and realized that they were not bnei yeshivos at all! He concluded that these "askanim" are not to be trusted and ceased dealing with them. This was all quoted by Rav Englander at the kinnus. So yes it seems that there is a lot of misinformation.

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    1. R Buruch Solawaichick is not objective. He is big time Bnay Braq with his own special interests.

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  14. I don't understand how people can argue the heileger Satmar Rebbe Shlita who publicly refuted the claims in this article, by the Monsey asifa. Its on video, I believe I saw it on youtube. The Peleg Roshei Yeshiva were shellshocked.

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    1. Which peleg roshei yeshiva were shellshocked?

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  15. Where was this kinnus? In which country? Who was there?

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  16. Kinnus was Thursday Nov 2. In attendance were the talmidim,avreichim & alumni of Bais Shemaya (big sefardi Yeshiva). The special kinnus was called for by the rosh yeshiva specifically to protest the supposed claims that the sefardi oilam is at risk. He considered it a bizayon to the sefardishe oilam. Agav at the end he did mention that there is a problem with people leaving yeshivos and going to the street and stopping to learn. The rosh yeshiva insisted that it has always been the case as per R' Shach and R' Ambramsky and the Steipler that we can't expect to get an exemption from them serving in the army. On the contrary working on exemptions for them puts the whole oilam hayashivos at risk. (in Orchos rabbainu chelek daled amud reish the Steipler is quoted as saying that such bochrim who get excemption are actual Rodfim on the oilam hatorah) Rather for such bochrim we need to be mekarev them be misspallel and open special yeshivos for them so they have a framework.

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  17. Unbelievable how the government is spending as per the draft law hundreds of millions of shekel so charedim will go into the army with no success
    אשרי המאמין
    Of course they've had success as the sfardisheh gedolim above have testified as they write " from personal knowledge"

    All that the other rabbonim even claim is that no one who who crossed every t and dotted every I was pulled from their shtender to the army
    So what?
    The whole point is that the draft law requires the charedim to supply to the army an amount of charedim that grows each year by the thousands in order to exempt the rest of the charedim therefore the army throws all kinds of requirments so that if you didn't receive their letter or responded a day late they can get you and the army spends tens of millions to pay for gayasim recruiters to try to get charedim who are weaker spiritually or from weaker backgrounds like many sfardim to shmad in the army and the facts that can't be argued with published by the defense ministry is that there are thousands more each year falling to the army in this situation should we stifle any protest instead of crying out?

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