Will we still see snow? can we put away the shovels? Residents are taking advantage of the warm weather, staying outdoors. The warm weather in mid February will not last long, say meteorologists.
New Jersey residents will enjoy another spring-like day Sunday before temperatures take a plunge on Presidents Day, forecasters say. Temperatures on
Sunday will be 15 to 20 degrees above normal and hover around record highs, according to the National Weather Service. Forecasters say temperatures will be in the 60s in most parts of the state with mostly sunny skies. There could be some clouds with a slight breeze. in the evening, temperatures will take a nose-dive. While still above normal, temperatures will be in mid-to-high 30s in most parts of the state.
There's a chance of showers on Wednesday, but temperatures will begin to climb back to the low 60s on Thursday and Friday. NJ.com
I was appealed at how some women were dressed today I went shopping with hubby at .. did they forget the Halacha that your knees have to be covered. Is it fair that men have to face such nisyonos! its midwinter still Just plain Disgusting.
ReplyDeleteDid you mean to write appalled or do you mean to say the women appealed to you? Don't like how other people look? Stay indoors. Sheesh, grow up.
DeleteDont Look!!!
DeleteDont Look? stay indoors? Sorry we are not living in caves its up to every frum women and husband to follow the very basics. we are not even talking about chumros but at least the basic Halachos should be kept. Sundays are family days we like to go shopping together as a family why should men have to put up with this. Its not just a few but it seems the style is now for skirts not to cover the knees.
Delete'Dont look' was what the thief said when I caught him robbing my neighbor
DeleteYou're sorry? Glad to hear it. We are not living in a theocracy like Saudi Arabia. This is the United States. People are allowed to go where they want when they want however they feel like dressing.
DeleteYou have no right to demand anyone dress a certain way to please your preferences.
no one has a right to tell someone how to dress in the United States but if someone wants to be considered a frum Jew they have to have an allegiance to halacha - which does demand how a woman has to dress.
Delete"...considered a frum Jew...
DeleteSo you don't consider some people in the five towns or people in this town who don't dress according to your standards frum?
How about Ivanka Trump?
Good.
I'm assuming your one of those who never step foot in Walmart,shoprite,target or any of the goyishe stores. If you can deal with these nisyonos u should stay home on warm/ days. I really feel for u! It's a big problem.
DeleteThe way a women dresses is between her, her husband (assuming she has one) and God. Would u want someone coming into your home to see to it that u are keeping the minimal halachos ? I don't think so.
DeleteThats what they said in Sedom. "mind your own business", Dont look"
ReplyDeleteYes. People might say the same thing in response to different events.
DeleteThe evil inclination says "stop" when someone is doing good.
We also say "stop" when our child tried to run in the street.
Are you telling me we shouldn't say "stop" to a child because the evil inclination says "stop" too?
If you want to be a child in this debate then we would agree with u, but your not. Or at least u should act like a child. Grow up and you'll be fine.
DeleteWe have a Torah that guides us. NO one is forcing anyone how to dress but as frum Jews a women has no right to be machshil men by the way she dresses.
ReplyDeleteWoman not women. Also, it's the woman's fault the man is aroused? Please explain.
DeleteAdditionally, as American citizens you have no right to demand someone dress a certain way because you're aroused. Maybe move to Meah Shearim or Saudi Arabia?
Deleteif you need explanations about what tznius is you can look in the Gamara (beginning with the explanation of the posuk in Yirmiya about what caused the churban) and halacha. if you don't read Hebrew you can look in Rabbi Falk's sefer.
DeleteRabbi Falk is an extremist. Bad move mentioning him.
DeleteI read Hebrew and I learn gemara. Your point is irrelevant.
DeleteThis. Is. The. United. States. Of. America.
Telling people how to dress when they're out in public is verboten.
Plush- why are you so closed minded?
DeleteStop judging others. Stop being a hater.
Try to be understanding of others please.
show some love
You crack me up.
Deletewhy do you keep bringing up the United States. No one is telling goyim how to dress.
Deletethe laws of halacha are not the same as the laws of the United States.
Your husband is responsible for what he looks at. You seem to be all torn up about how the Jewish frum women dress, is your tirade directed at non Jews as well? Perhaps you need to lock your hubby in the house???
ReplyDeleteBingo.
Deletewomen are responsible for how they dress. that is what tznius is.
Delete"This is the United States. People are allowed to go where they want when they want... blah blah Im an air head...."
ReplyDeleteVery intelligent! Now please explain how that makes it ok to do something wrong even if no one has the right to stop you...
Im allowed to eat a pork sandwich on yom kipur does that make it right? Im allowed to talk to your kids about converting to Christianity. Is it right?
Is this too deep for your shallow mind?
Bingo!
DeleteDouble Bingo!
DeleteLet's look at your points one at a time:
Delete"I'm an airhead." Ad hominem.
You're allowed to eat a pork sandwich on Yom Kippur according to American law, yes. What you choose to do based on your religious beliefs is up to you.
When something involves a person's children it involves you. How a person is dressed does not.
"Shallow mind." Ad hominem.
oy ess iz gut!!
DeletePlush you gettin smashed...
"When something involves a person's children it involves you." How does that involve "you" more than when it ACTUALLY REALLY involves you??
Delete"How a person is dressed does not." Of course it does. The same way the Shopper the Voice and the Yated does but only way more!! Oh only you get to decide what involves me.
Frum ladies are obligated to dress a certain way when going out in public.
ReplyDeleteAccording to what you choose to believe? I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that their rabbi has different standards than you.
DeleteEither way, according to American law they don't have to give a hoot about what you want.
Not everyone hold of Rabbi Falk's extreme views. Are those who choose a different way not frumpy?
DeleteWhen was this term "frum" invented anyhow?
Asking for a historian.
Plush what does "allowed" have to do with wrong or right??
ReplyDeleteAgain, no one person is the moral authority around here. Unless I'm missing something.
ReplyDeleteEither way, irrelevant.
This sounds a lot like a guy who probably hates the Lakewood system and is looking for a opportunity to push his agenda. Using American societal norms does not dictate what our community and toradik values should stand for. If Mr. Plush would like to get into a debate about our extreme Tznius codes being forced upon our Bais Yaacov girls that's a whole other topic and debate. Bottom line is we live in I a community that should take responsibility for their actions and adhere to the basic principals of Tznius, regardless of what you think of the guy checking out these women.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Because you deem it to be so?
DeleteGreat assumptions by the way.
I was going to sit this thread out, because I have long ago given up on the idea that all, or even the vast majority of women in Lakewood would adhere to the historical norms of Tznius.
DeleteHowever, Plush, with your nonsensical arguments, you have truly erased any doubt that you, in fact, an airhead
Is it the right thing to pass judgement on your fellow human?
ReplyDeleteWould you pass judgment if you saw someone stealing?
DeleteAccording to American law, stealing is prohibited.
DeleteAny other brilliant questions?
My last question was in response to Mr. Halacha. Is there a halacha that says you should judge someone?
DeleteAgain, what other people choose to do is their business. Expecting get them to dress a certain way in public is concerning.
"Is there a halacha that says you should judge someone?" is that the only thing in the torah you keep Mr. plush? If you dont believe in Halacha dont use it as part of your argument.
DeleteAnd as a matter of fact yes there is a halacha about protecting ones self zeeskite. More than one such halacha. Ignoramus.
But let me ask you Plush, why do you judge frum people so harshly? Is there a halacha that says YOU should judge someone?
(BTW I see you cant answer allot of the things people are posting to you here. Just spewing hate. What a bigot.)
It's so much fun trolling you all. Plush, out.
DeleteRun Plush!
Deletewhata woos....
It's not fair! Why did they have to censor out the name of the store?
ReplyDeleteIn truth, thiw woman may be doing something wrong the way she dresses. But the zealots talking about it are way worse. Shemiras Einayim means self control, not keeping lewd pictures constantly in mind, using frumkeit as an excuse.
Just wait. Here come the "hates the Lakewood system and is looking for a opportunity to push his agenda" people.
DeleteAmen to your comment.
Again we are not discussing chumros.No Rav will allow a woman to expose her knees on public. That is a Halacha in shulchan aruch and is not up to interpretation.
ReplyDeleteIt's no secret the tznius level in lkwdd has gone down hill recently. Men are very limited to where they can shop or even grab a bite. It was not like this 5 years ago. Not blaming anyone but this is nebach where our society is holding.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad to see why people feel these blogs dont represent the yeshivaleit. These comments are very anti what Lakewoid was about before certain types of people moved here.
ReplyDeletePlease enlighten us which publications or websites represent the yeshivavelt?
DeleteThe Yated? Theven publication that compares Trump to Avraham Avenue?
DeleteThe Voice of Lakewood which publishes propaganda pieces in favor of BMG mall?
The Lakewood Shopper which also publishes propaganda?
Comments which basically say shut your mouth about Halacha and let everybody do what they want , just show how far from the original Lakewood hashkafa ,these blogs are
DeleteYou haven't been paying attention to the comments, only plush's comments fit your description (maybe one or 2 others)
DeletePlush if you dont like it here move! Oh! only your allowed to tell us to stay inside and close our eyes.
ReplyDeleteClosed minded hypocritical hater
Ah, was waiting for that.
DeleteLet me explain since it seems like some people are having a difficult time with comprehension.
Again, people are going to dress how they wish. You can't stop them. If it so distresses you, the best options I can think of are, stay inside, close your eyes, or move.
I have no problem with how people dress so I'll stay here, thank you. Either way, the tide is turning. More people who aren't up to some people's frum standards of tznius are moving here. Better get some blinders (oh, that makes me closed-minded. You're right, I'm open minded if I demand someone dress in a way that doesn't offend me).
If allowing people to live as they choose in the public sphere and suggesting that those who are disturbed or aroused refrain from venturing out makes me a "closed minded hypocritical hater" then so be it.
Who gave you Plush the moral compass to tell people how we should think and what we should say. it bothers you? leave. You dont like what Im writing to you? leave. Its a free country. Stop telling others what to do? people will say what they want.
Deletehey! It seems like your your directing your post at yourself!
yes its hard to comprehend a hypocrite. and a bigot to boot!
yes. dress however you want. exult in offending the roshei yeshiva, mashgiach and bnei torah. rejoice that Lakewood, which was built by bne itorah, has been taken over by the heimish and modern orthodox who could care less about tznius and are made that anyone does.
Deleteand then cry to rechnitz when the schools the bnei torah built with blood, sweat and tears don't want to accept your kids.
Rabbosei it's a gorgeous day outside chap arein take a walk breath the air (Keep or take off your glasses) Don't sit on your addicted phones wasting time arguing back and forth.
ReplyDeleteNon judgmental people who generally minds their own business are in the position to tell others not to sound off about how women in town are dressed. People who are frequently posting on blogs are not.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like some people on here need a little basic education. It is one thing to judge whether a persons actions are correct (for ex. eating treif, not adhering to hilchos tznius, being mechalel Shabbos etc.) And another thing to judge the person themselves.
DeleteA Jewish person is required to judge the actions of others, whether they are wrong or right. If they don't, how will they know themselves what is wrong or right.
It is another thing to judge the person themselves. If I see someone doing a wrong action, does it mean they are going to gehenom? Maybe they are a tinok shenishba (yes, it is unbelievable how many people who grew up in frum homes are completely ignorant in Halacha, even worse, many are sure they know the Halacha, but are completely wrong).
Every frum person should constantly be judging actions as to whether they are right or wrong, if not, how does one know how to act properly themselves (aside for the fact that there is no Halacha that requires one to be willfully ignorant).
That doesn't mean that they should be judging the people themselves, even if they are acting in a manner that is improper.
It's sad that in Lakewood we have people with the mindset that US law h take precedent over halacha.
ReplyDeleteBut you can't blame them when in Lakewood father's are thrown out of their home and mesira to the government is no big deal Halacha takes a back seat too. Or therapists ignoring a psak Bais Din yet you don't hear a word about it.
But they still blame the blogs....
It's not just therapists who ignore a psak Bais din. Look at Westgate and what's going on there. Of course that's also in the name of tznius. Pah! Two faced people!
DeleteThe problem is that there is no Rav of the city in Lakewood that is universally accepted. Many of the Roshei Yshiva are Outstanding Talmidai Chahamim and Tzadikim, and would be very successful Roshei Yeshiva in their own right, and I don't mean this as a slight to them.
DeleteBut it is well know that R' Noson ZT"L wanted to bring R' Shlomo Miller in to Lakewood to be the Rav of the city, at the same time that he brought in the Mashgiach.
Nobody blames the blogs. Its just that the blogs are the voice of the new non bnei Torah that are taking over Lakewood.
ReplyDeleteThere is no such thing as new bnei Torah. The bnei Torah remain the same in spite of the outside influence. It's other's who hide behind a facade of bnei Torah or sell appointed pal who speak on behalf of bnei Torah that are the issue. They will use the frum media outlets to advertise their construed hashkafa. It's only the blogs who are not bought off and are a venue to tell the truth. The Internet is shmutz but that's where u have to resort to nebach to expose and speak the truth.
DeletePlease, trying to label all the people who view blogs as a certain type, because of a some comments by some few very shallow, and intellectually challenged individuals, is a very weak argument.
DeleteI learned in BMG for 10 years, most of the people in my neighborhood, learned in BMG for a long time as well, many are now in chinuch. None of these people are anti-BMG, I don't know if any that would agree with some of the ridiculous comments in this thread, but every one of them that I speak to, has an issue with the congestion in Lakewood.
Stop trying to tie 2 unrelated issues together.
The people are not shallow .They just don't care about halacha in the way it has been accepted in our town since the Yeshiva was founded. They don't care what the town looks like jn a spiritual sense. All they care about is that all the schools should be forced to accept their children and if they don't ,then they are considered reshoim.
DeleteIts obviously clear why the old schools have to he selective in who they take. If they get children of parents like these commenters,then the hashkafa of the schools will go down the drain.
ReplyDeleteThe hashkafah of a school means the hashkafah yhe school teaches. The parents are not the ones teaching the classes and they can accept children whose mothers wear unacceptable clothing.
DeleteYou are 100 per cent wrong. It is not possible to teach a certain style of tznius if the girl goes home at night and sees her mother totally ignoring what is being taught in school. Basically the mothers tell their daughters that you can ignore what you are being taught because we don't hold like that. . It is not possible to run a school like that. If you like , you can make such a school where there is a disconnect between the home and the school. Let us know how it works out. Ask any mechanech or mechaneches. It does not work.
DeleteAbsolutely correct. This can only work in Shuvu where the girls know that they are trying to be frum and their mothers are not. But here in Lakewood where the mothers are frum , you can not tell the students that your mothers standard of dress does not meet our belief in halacha. So in the end the girls follow their mothers and the whole teaching of tzniouss is a waste of time.
DeleteHow some ladies walk around is very sad they may not mean to be provocative but the styles of today are a far cry to what it was even 10 years ago. Shaitels keep getting longer while skirts get shorter. The mashgiach shlita when he was health would occasionally call for asifos to be mechazek the gidrei Tznius in Lakewood. Looking back if you thought 15 years ago needed chizuk those standards pale in comparison to the trends of today. Women dress like they are models walking down the cat walk when they go for an errand. Not all men have the privilege to be indoors all day some jobs require to be on the road. The sensitivity has just faded away.
ReplyDeleteThe way people dress nowadays is that the neckline and the hemline meet in the middle!!
DeleteSome hold as long as the bottom of the skirt reaches the bottom of the shaitel, then - as long as your husband sat on der koilel for at least 3 (or tree) months your from the real haimesher yeshivalaat
DeleteThe only protection against our town turning into a MO tzura are our schools. If the schools are not selective in who they accept ,we will no longer be able tolive here in a few years.
ReplyDeleteThis town has changed too much for the worse over the past 15 years. Between the traffic and decreasing frum standards I am moving my family to Cleveland as soon as I can.
ReplyDeleteDescribe frum. May you aren't so frum because you think moving to Cleveland is the right think to do. Maybe move to bp or Willi. Cleveland sounds so goyish to me.
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