Tuesday, August 27, 2019

Jackson Board Members Resign after Attending Meeting to Stop Development

Hamodia- By Mordechai Wincorn

"Agudath Israel’s New Jersey Director told Hamodia that the recent revelations are yet another step in strengthening accusations of a concerted effort to block Orthodox growth in Jackson. “These incidents are further proof of the nefarious intentions of those sitting in the government of Jackson,” he said. “It shows a deep rooted problem that they are pursuing plans to keep Jews out and to have zoning and planning board members at a meeting on how to prevent a Jewish development from being built speaks volumes. Remember also, that these are positions appointed by the mayor and council to steer their agendas.”

 - Three members of Jackson Township boards dealing with development have tendered their resignations, following the release of recordings of their attendance at a meeting aimed at stopping the construction of a housing project geared towards Orthodox Jews. Controversy began after an anonymous leak to local officials and media surfaced that Richard Egan, who was a member of Jackson’s Planning Board, and Sheldon Hofstein and John Sullivan who served on its Zoning Board, were present at what was labeled as the town’s inaugural CUPON meeting. CUPON (Citizens United to Protect Our Neighborhoods) has been active in New York’s Rockland County for some time, largely focusing on efforts to oppose the growth of the Orthodox community there.



The meeting was held two weeks ago at Jackson’s Miller Road Fire House and was reportedly attended by some 28 residents. Included on its written agenda was discussion of an upcoming Planning Board application for Jackson Trails, a development for more than 460 homes and a shul in an area of the town near the border with Manchester Township, far from the area of Jackson that borders Lakewood, and which is already home to several hundred Orthodox families.

Very brief clips of a recording of the meeting, released through the Lakewood Scoop, feature the three men acknowledging that their presence at the gathering must be kept secret.

“We’re not supposed to be here,” Mr. Hofstein said. “Nobody saw us.”

“We didn’t sign in, we’re neutral like invisible,” said Mr. Egan.

“We weren’t here,” said Mr. Sullivan.

A source who has listened to the entire audio recording but requested anonymity, told Hamodia that all three took an active part in conversations strategizing to block Jackson Trails’ application.

The planning meeting held four days later was attended by some 175 residents. Just before it commenced, Gregory McGuckin, who serves as an attorney for Jackson as well as being its assemblyman, approached Mr. Egan and asked that he recuse himself from taking part in the meeting.

Presumably under pressure from town officials that their continued participation would throw a further pall over the town’s zoning and planning decisions, Mr. Egan and Mr. Sullivan submitted their resignations this past Friday, and Mr. Hofstein added his on Monday.

Robert Nixon, who serves as president of Jackson’s Town Council told Hamodia that he welcomed the resignations.

“Council was surprised and disappointed at the allegations made recently against members of our Planning and Zoning Boards and we support their decision to step down,” he said. “The focus of the Zoning and Planning Boards have always been, and must only be, on the law governing land use and Jackson’s Master Plan.”

Zoning Board appointments are made by the town council, and those to the Planning Board are made by the town’s Mayor, Michael Reina.

Jackson has struggled to keep its town boards staffed in recent years, following a series of scandals. Robert Burrows, a former Zoning Board member, has been the author of several online anti-Semitic tirades. In 2017, Larry Schuster was forced to resign after anti-Semitic and other offensive comments he made online were discovered, only weeks after Anthony Marano was forced from the board over an arrest for possession of illicit materials and resisting arrest.

At the time, members of the council called for more rigorous background checks to be made before admitting applicants to serve on town boards.

The recent resignations could complicate Jackson’s ongoing legal woes as well. In 2017, the town was sued by the Agudath Israel of America, which claimed that ordinances that banned the construction of new schools and eruvin were motivated by bias against the Orthodox community.

Officials had entered into arbitration, but negotiations stalled and a trove of emails revealed by a FOIL request between the mayor and council members seemed to reveal that talks were little more than a stalling tactic. The cases are currently moving forward.

Prior to the Agudah’s action, Jackson had been sued by Oros Bais Yaakov over the township’s denial of its application to build.

While Mr. Egan and Mr. Sullivan were appointed over the last year and a half, Mr. Hofstein has served for 11 years and was one of those who voted down the application.

Rabbi Avi Schnall, Agudath Israel’s New Jersey Director told Hamodia that the recent revelations are yet another step in strengthening accusations of a concerted effort to block Orthodox growth in Jackson.

“These incidents are further proof of the nefarious intentions of those sitting in the government of Jackson,” he said. “It shows a deep rooted problem that they are pursuing plans to keep Jews out and to have zoning and planning board members at a meeting on how to prevent a Jewish development from being built speaks volumes. Remember also, that these are positions appointed by the mayor and council to steer their agendas.”

133 comments:

  1. Not condoning the above behavior which at best is unethical. At the same time, realize that in Lakewood this stuff happens at the other end (pro development) and more extreme with behind the scenes glad handling and under the table shtik done between planning and zoning board members and the developers who control them.

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  2. Hypocrisy! The Agudah was silent when board members in Lakewood met ex parte to stop shuls from being built.
    Such tough guys going after neighboring towns while ignoring the same behavior in Lakewood.

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  3. They were silent when supposedly a powerful vaad member threatened to pull permits from the Avreichim shul still sitting empty at 10th and Madison

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  4. Rabosei since when is the Lakewood leadership and it's propoganda mouthpiece engaging in JDL like tactics against local officials. We are in galus and this can ch"v lead to harm against innocent yidden. Why are the Rabbonim silent as this התגרות האומות unfolds right in front of of our nose.

    These are very scary times and these actions are סכנת נפשות

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  5. Same happened in Westgate they met before

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    1. The biggest avleh in Westgate was that not only did the rabbanim not stop people from stopping a Shul being built they actually helped stop it from being built.

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  6. In Lakewood they stopped shuls too. The corruption is just as rampant it's all about who you know. The vaad can call innocent orthodox Jews as bad apples and get away with it.
    Yechidim are made korbonos and have their applications denied at the boards to make it appear that they are tough while at the same time approving large developments.

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  7. Lakewood corruption is rampant but you wouldn't know it from all the loudmouths they are speaking up now about Jackson because they are all paid and controlled propogandists.

    Did they ever call out the misuse of taxpayer money or govt grants that are used for other projects not helpful to Lakewood residents?

    Did it bother them that cedar bridge used njdot grants intended to fix Lakewood roads, they built sidewalks back 2008 yet there are lots of dangerous roads in 2019 with no sidewalks putting pedestrians at harm.

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  8. Shoin vaiter complaining about WestGate? Everyone already knows that there it’s a good thing that it was stopped.

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    1. How can stopping a makom Torah utefillah ever be a good thing?

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    2. Everyone knows that children shouldn't come to davening, they should play outside. Everyone knows that people should pick fights without knowing how to solve them. Everyone knows that there should not be a second shul in Westgate, so anonymous unelected characters can claim they represent everyone in town.

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  9. If the Rabbonim were involved as you claim that would indicate that those stopping it did nothing wrong. You can’t have it both ways and say they ignored daas Torah and at the same time say the Rabbonim actively prevented it from being built.

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    1. since when does a rav's involvement automatically mean Daas Torah?
      there is something called negius and it applies even by rabbonim.

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  10. its a good thing to continue machlokes and deny the shechina a mikdash me'at?
    Is it also a good thing when a shul gets flooded and shut down for a few weeks is that also a good thing

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  11. The rov you are referring to had nothing to do with it. He is a tzadik but unfortunately you guys fail to see it.

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  12. It’s a good thing when a shul is being built in a place that has a very negative impact on many people and when the people advocating for it are not willing to talk with anyone who has concerns about it but instead resort to the lowest possible name calling that Klal Yisroel has never seen. Even the rov of that shul called people on the other side of the fence mizera amalek!! Is it then a surprise that his mispallelim go even further and call them nazis??

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    1. Why do you say so? They went to BD, and were willing to listen to the psak. Why are they obligated to do more?

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    2. The Rav did NOT call anyone mizera amalek. He was totally (deliberately) misquoted. The other Rav did say that minyanim should close down.

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    3. It has been verified by very reliable sources that were there. He DID call them mizera amalek. He denies it and all his surrogates do but everyone knows it’s true.

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    4. Lies lies and more lies. He was deliberately misquoted out of context. He’s never lied about anything else and has always stood firm by his beliefs even if it makes him less popular with people who prefer the rabbanim that blow with the wind. Why would he lie about this? Did anyone actually verify with the Rav himself what he said?

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  13. Since when do I have to listen to bes din? I only went cause I thought I would win. The bes din was obliviously Corrupt anyway.

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  14. BD did not say they can’t stop it at the township. They got a clear psak that they COULD voice their objections to the township so they did exactly that. What’s wrong?

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    1. Did BD also say they should hire a lawyer? And beg money from people (who don’t have bread and milk to put on their breakfast table) to pay for that lawyer? And convince their (corrupt) cronies in the township to make use of a clause that has been ignored many times when it suited them? Och and vey if the BD said they should do all this...

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  15. “The other rov” i.e. the rov of WG never said minyanim should close down. That’s a new allegation and totally false.

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  16. Do you have that in writing? I don't think so.

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  17. Ah so you’re worried that they couldn’t afford it? How do you know who they asked for money? Why about all the members that left you guys in droves? What about the guy who gave you a Sefer Torah and you guys were rodef him?

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    1. Who was rodef anyone? In which way we’re they rodef someone? I never heard this part.

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    2. The fact that you can never just ignore comments when they come up about Westgate just goes to prove how guilty you feel. There’s a Yiddish saying, “Oif a ganef brent a hittel”, or in English, “if the cap fits wear it”. If you would feel that you were 100% correct hiring a lawyer to stop the Shul you’d be able to ignore the comments.

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  18. You may not realize but the one writing the comments has nothing to do with anything in WG so the Yiddish saying doesn’t apply here. It’s someone having a good time with you and he gets you all tzuhitzt that you respond.

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    1. Obviously this person has very intimate knowledge of WG. Possibly the rodef is playing nirdaf??

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  19. The fact that you keep commenting about WG shows how farbissen you are. Nebach. Just enjoy your two shuls and stop complaining so much.

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  20. What’s shver? The guy writing the comments had friends in WG who tell him all the hock. I don’t live there and know a lot from people I know there. It could even be a bochur doing it.

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  21. For all that it could be a farbissene mentsch who’s being raitzed uhn by his cronies

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  22. I know for a fact that the guy that always knocks the ropchitzers doesn't even live in Lakewood he just likes getting a rise out of them

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  23. I wasn,t thhere I don't know who said what one thing I do know. THis is what the Vilna Gaon and the Munkatcher Rebbe said:
    דברי הגר"א (אבן שלמה, פרק יא ענין חבלי משיח)
    הערב רב דבוקים מאוד בישראל וכו', ה' מיני רב יש בישראל וכו' ובעלי מחלוקת הם גרועים מכולם והם נקראים עמלקים, ואין בן דוד עד שימחו מן העולם וכו'. עמלקים הם ראשי ישראל בגלות ועליהם נאמר היו צריה לראש, וכל עזי פנים ורשעים שבדור הם מגלגול נשמתן של ערב רב ובני קין וכו',
    בבני יששכר (מאמרי חודש אדר מאמר ג מלחמה בעמלק) כתב, וז"ל:
    ומעתה תתבונן ג"כ מ"ש בזוהר בשלח דף סז ע"א, א"ר יהודה בכל דרא ודרא בכל דרין דאתיין לעלמא לית לך דר דלית בהו מההוא זרעא בישא וקב"ה עביד בהו קרבא עכ"ל. כי כל היועצים עצות רעות על ישראל בכל דור ודור ובכל אומה ואומה במלכותם הנה העצה באה מהדעת והוא מהדעת דסטרין א' אשר הוא שורש עמלק, וכן גזרו אומר בזוהר בראשית אשר גם כל העומדים כלי חמס על ישראל בדרין בתראין כתות הערב רב אשר בקרבנו הם יושבים מינים מוסרים אפיקורסים הן המה משורש עמלק.

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  24. It is also a well known fact Reb Elchonon said that he heard the Chofetz Chaim say about Tziyonim and the Jewish Yevskes.
    Bai mir is borur az zei zennen fun zera Amolek.

    the Satmar Rebbe ZY"A commented in 1967 Parshas Behaloscha that the Chofetz Chaim the opinimy of Shmiras Haloshon said this openly about other Yiddden

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  25. So your point is that since the satmar rebbe said it about tziyonim you could say it about anyone who dares disagree with you? One thing is clear you are obviously willing to take back your denial that your rov said it because now you’re changing from denial to justification.

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  26. Someone who disagrees with you is not automatically a Baal machlokes. You decided who the Baal machlokes is and based on that you are applying the gaon and Bnei yisoschor. Others are of the opinion that YOU are the Baal machlokes, it is you who has spread hate online by calling your neighbors the most horrible names that no one would ever imagine a yid using, it is you who called your neighbors mushchasim, mizera amalek, baalei gaava, nazis and probably some other names too. I would look in the mirror before giving mussar if I were you.

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  27. Classic example, when the Rodef tries to paint himself as the nirdaf.

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  28. As I said before I wasn’t there I have no idea who said what.
    But the gedolim said that any yid who acts out of sinah and creates machlokes and falls so low that he will do mesira on other Yidden is by defauult MIZERA AMOLEK.
    Thus Anshey Westgate are Mizera Amalek.
    Anshey Westgate brought "politics" and machlokes to the neighborhood by denying anyone to open a shul if it is not in their umbrella. This is going on for more than 12 years, it didn't start now.


    I am not the one who is giving them this label.
    It is the Zohar hakodosh the Gra the Bnei Yisachar the Chofetz Chaim Reb Elchonon Zecer Tzadikim Lvrocha.

    The ones who are spreading the hate are the people who are machzik bemachlokes and stopping shuls from expanding and being built.
    Not the defendants who are trying to serve hashem in a bais mikdash meat.
    You should learn the facts before being mischaber lereshoyim and will ultimately be held accountable for your friends' rishus. Oy Lerosha oy li_________
    This the fact not mussar.

    (And by the way someone who arrogantly fights for his own fame and control is a baal gava.)
    Veho'elokim yevakesh es hanirdof.

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  29. I thought you weren’t there and don’t know who said what so how do you call “anshei westgate” anything and saying they spread machlokes and stopped a shul from being built? You actually sound very much like a Baal gaava. I am not mekaneh your gehinnom.

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  30. Oif a ganev Brent a hittel...

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  31. I was there by the planning board and was watching the sickening smiles on your faces.

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  32. Look how beautiful the Lutzke bais medrash is. It has hundreds of mispslelim in all three shachris minton. They have a big morning kollel, yungerleit learning their,shiurim and programs for the tzibur.
    The only reason that Lutsk exists because is because it is located out of the borders of Westgate.
    Had they opened a few feet closer the Mushcosim of Westgate would've used their maphia tactics to stop it and close it down from its inception. The same way the Westgate mob shut everyone else who tried opening where they had control under their rov's "jurisdiction"
    Now Lutsk is servicing the Westgate community much more then the Ropshitz building.
    Boruch shemasar oilomo leshomrim.
    Shov lachem mashkimay kum
    Utzu aitza vesufar
    Hashem Chaffetz Lyman tzidko Yagdil torah vyadir

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  33. At this point the whole of Lakewood and beyond probably knows what went on!!! You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out who the real baalei machlokes are. The ones who fight a Shul, claim that their Rav is like the janitor, don’t let a different Rav speak by the shloshim of a child who was l”a niftar because it will detract from them, slap a person in public because he dared to question etc etc etc. I’m sure you’re mekaneh these people their “lichtige gan eden”!

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  34. I told you already I have nothing to do with anything there so I wasn’t by any planning board meeting so you didn’t see me smiling.

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  35. Anyway why would a smile be sickening?

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  36. I probably would have also smiled. The reshaim were having their mapala. That’s a beautiful thing.

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  37. Which Rabbanim/Dayanim said you could go to a secular court? Is it the same ones who encourage wives not to go to Mikveh, to call DYFS on their husbands? The same Rabbanim/Dayanim who allow Lakewood’s pseudo therapists to rip families apart, and when asked about it tell you they’re not getting involved? How many more living yesoimim need to be created before the above mentioned Rabbanim/Dayanim either start taking full responsibility when they get involved or stay totally uninvolved?????????

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  38. Don’t know the rabbanim you are referring to but gedolei hador said it must be stopped.

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  39. Which gadol hador ever said to stop a Shul? If a gadol hador gave that psak I’m sure he’d be comfortable being named in public so please publicize the gadol hador who said to stop the Shul being built. Don’t be shy or embarrassed - you have the gadol hador behind you.

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  40. How do Lakewood Rabbanim pasken shailos without hearing both sides? This goes for shuls, marriage issues, DYFS etc. where’s the yashrus?

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  41. Who said it was Lakewood rabbanim and who said they didn’t hear both sides?

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  42. If their is trust to one of the sides there is no need to hear the other side's story.

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  43. I heard that the Lakewood rabonim raised their arms and recused themselves from any ongoing litigations.

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  44. Who hired the lawyer for them?

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  45. I heard that most of the Dayanim still hold the psak that the Shul should go ahead, except the Dayan who backed down because he said he was pressured into backing down.

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  46. He did it for free because he understood how important this was and that this was a mitzvah.

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  47. Which Dayan would say an illegal shul should go ahead and be built on land that’s not safe to build on?

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  48. Dina dmalchusa dina. The shul cannot be built regardless of what a Dayan says. IT IS ILLEGAL CASE CLOSED!

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    1. In Lakewood it depends who you are and who your connections are if dina d’malchusa dina applies or not. The same “illegality” was conveniently ignored many times in Lakewood.

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    2. At least you are מודה to the מסירה and seem very comfortable about it
      No need to say what chazal say about such mesira

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    3. It is said that mesirah can call down a terrible kitrug on a person Chas veshalom.

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  49. So you are demanding that we ignore illegalities. That is not a valid argument.

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  50. No... I think the point he’s trying to make is that if you’re allowed to ignore this illegality then ignore it for everyone - not just for your elite status cronies.

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  51. Mesira?? What shaychus?

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  52. Are you serious? Or are you totally off your rocker? It was out and out mesirah. One of the Dayanim told you outright that you should not do anything to make a chillul Hashem and you should not hire a lawyer. Are you the Jewish version of RUOC? The tactics and motives seem incredibly similar. Are you helping them find and pay for lawyers to stop the shuls and eruvin in Jackson?

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  53. No dayanim told me anything as I never discussed this with a Dayan, I was not involved in this whatsoever but what happened here has absolutely nothing to do with mesira.

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    1. If you were as uninvolved as you say how do you know it had nothing to do with mesirah?

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  54. What is “out and out mesira”?

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  55. No need to be so tame and call me the “Jewish version of RUOC”, I’ve been called worse. Let it all out, it’s good for you.

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    1. It's much worse for mosrim in the world to come

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  56. Right but in this case there are no mosrim so it’s totally irrelevant here.

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  57. How do you know what’s worse in the world to come? Have you been there? You have quite a cheshbon to give too when the day comes.

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    1. Hmmm.... sounds like you’ve also been up there already!

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  58. So Lakewood is now officially going with the YU hashkafa - there’s no point in going to a din Torah because it’s a waste of time; far better to go to arkaos. Didn’t YU put out a public article about this a few years ago?

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    1. If that’s the case why have Rabbanim and Dayanim? Why have Dinei Torah? What’s the point of going to a din Torah if you’re not going to listen to the psak?

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  59. The psak was not that an illegal shul can be built. The psak was not that the shul can’t be stopped. The psak was that mitzad hadin whatever tainos were presented in Bais din were not sufficient to stop the shul from being built. Going to the township is not mesira, nor is it like going to arkaos or any of the accusations you keep making. It is a logical step one would take when having concerns about the construction of a building and those concerns are being ignored by the proposers of the project.

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    1. Who helped with these talking points. Did the maffia dictate it?
      Obviously an attempt to deflect from the truth and from a serious guilty conscience feeling.
      All concerns were addressed by the Bais Din. 12 years of redifos prove the truth behind stopping a shul not made up "concerns" that kept coming up using an almana a mikva traffic and other new founded concerns when other options to stop the shul ran out.
      And why were members who moved to Jule area also so concerned that they came to fight it in the township.

      The dayanim were very clear with the pdak.
      Not only was there mesira but now there is sheker as well

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  60. They listened to the psak. The psak they got was that they could try stopping it at the township.

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    1. As far as I know a Bais din has 3 Rabbanim. Only one was pressured, and he told people that he was pressured into saying it. The others held firm.

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  61. So remind me again why they went to beis din if they had no plan of listening if it didn't go their way?

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    1. If it’s not a problem going to the township to stop a Shul why is everyone crying “anti Semitic” when Jackson people are trying to stop shuls being built? And why do people harass frum people who make their views regarding overpopulation in Lakewood well known?

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  62. Nobody was pressured. If a Dayan could be pressured to change his mind maybe he shouldn’t be a Dayan and indeed his psakim are questionable.

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  63. Aha so this Dayan is wrong for being pressured and his psakim are questionable. What about your Rabbi/janitor who caves in to the pressure of some people in his Shul who are convinced they own Westgate? Going with your above logic wouldn’t that make him unfit for the Rabbi part of his position? (Janitors don’t matter if they’re pressured!)

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  64. He’s not my rov. I don’t live there and never did. You guys are very busy with this rov/janitor but it’s all a hoax. You must be jealous of their rov. Just stop whining and daven that more people leave your shul so you’ll have even more room.

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    1. If you don’t live there (which given the intensity of your vitriolic comments I find very hard to believe) you obviously have some very farbissene friends who keep you well updated on their perspectives. Where are you getting that so many people left the Shul because they weren’t happy there? The ones that left said it was because of lack of space and nowhere for their kids to daven.

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  65. I guess it would be pointless for me to point out you seem to know exactly what's a hoax and what's not. If you don't live there you must really get a life and spend time on other things that arenogea to your personal life

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  66. How do you know it’s a hoax? The comment about their rov being a paid worker just like the janitor was made in public with all the gaava that goes with such a disgusting comment. The other rov is well respected by his mispallelim and is well known for standing firm in his beliefs.

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  67. Not sure what the chiddush is, I know a lot of people there and get a kick out of raitzing you uhn. The people I know are bichlal not farbissen it’s you guys that are and that’s why you haven’t stopped whining for so many years.

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    1. You’re obviously one of the farbissene people who have nothing to do with their life but fan the flames of hatred “because you get a kick out of it”. Do you also “get a kick” out of commenting on people’s tragedies? Or commenting on the tidal wave of anti semitism? Go get a life and realize that for some people a Shul being stopped is hurtful on many levels. Just because you’re B”H ok doesn’t mean that no one else is in pain.

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  68. He stands firm in his beliefs except the mizera amalek comment he denied but it’s been verified many times already. Btw the other rov who you hate never did and would NEVER EVER do something like that. He demands if his mispalelim to keep the shalom to the extent possible and they listen, they don’t come here and incite Dina’s chinom here like you guys do b

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    1. You’re a sick, twisted individual if you really expect people to believe that you don’t live here and have nothing to do with anything. How much are you being paid to fan the flames? How can you dare “quote” the other Rov if you claim not to live here. He said the mizerah amalek comment the same way that your Rov said the comments that you get all up in arms about when he’s accused.

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    2. What happened when Rabbi Walkin left? Who can’t to a meeting to take over?
      What happened with Rabbi Flam?
      What happened when the builder didn’t give .... the building he wanted right away? Who let it be known that he would never be mochel the builder? Etc etc etc
      And that’s called promoting shalom?

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  69. Preaches sholom and achdus. While going offensively in the battle field

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  70. It’s called in English, “running with the hares while hunting with the hounds” or in Hebrew, ״אחד בפה ואחד בלב״. In other words, do as I say not as I do! A classic example.

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  71. To the person who claims to not be from Westgate. I feel so bad for you. Obviously your wife isn’t feeding you properly and you need to rely on what others feed you! Nebbech. Make sure you don’t get poisoning from all the venom. Maybe call poison control? You really seem to be suffering badly. I feel terrible for you. Refuah shelaima b’guf uv’nefesh!

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  72. Nothing happened when rabbi walkin left and nothing happened to rabbi flam they were never bothered by anyone.

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  73. It was actually you guys that couldn’t fargin an older man who needed a minyan in his house and you guys gave him tzaros. I’m sick and twisted? Why do you say so, because you don’t like what I’m saying? I’m not getting paid anything, I am enjoying watching you turn colors getting angrier and angrier.

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  74. The rov of WG never went to any battlefield. He goes out of his way trying to do anything he could to keep you guys calm. Unfortunately you guys are very bitter and that’s not such an easy task.

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  75. Who’s suffering badly? I thought it was you guys that are stuffed in a tiny basement like the cattle cars?

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  76. I’m touched by your sympathy but I’m actually very happy. I run a successful business and have chavrusos, everything is great. This is my entertainment it is very enjoyable to watch you guys get so mad.

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  77. If the Rav is “Ohev shalom v’rodef shalom” as you claim, why doesn’t he fargin other people their shuls etc? ...........

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  78. If the Rav is pro shalom and does whatever he can for shalom etc how do you explain the threatening phone calls where the person was told that if he dares come to events they will slash his tires and HURT HIS WIFE? How do you explain that the Rav told them that they should disband a minyan because they didn’t have his permission to open it? How do you explain the slapping of someone in public? I guess “Shalom” has different meanings in different places.

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    1. Wow! The silence is deafening. I guess there’s no reasonable answers.

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    2. Silence? You’re not worthy of an answer. Not every story you make up deserves an Answer.

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  79. Gut shabbos to all the kvetchers. Hope your shul is not too crowded this shabbos. If it is you could always go to lutzk.

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  80. Hope you enjoyed inflicting pain on other yidden just because you get a kick out of it. May the Rofeh chol Basar grant you a refuah shelaima bekarov.

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  81. I inflicted pain on others? How so? May the eibishter help you overcome your bitterness bkarov.

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  82. The Mara d’asra of WG never disbanded any minyan and he never threatened anyone. He wouldn’t know how to hurt a fly. Stop making up stories hoping that one of them will stick. The whole world knows you guys are nuts, stop proving it!

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    1. Of course the Rav didn’t threaten anyone. His henchmen did it for him and he did nothing to stop it. And yes he actually did tell them that they should close down a minyan because it was opened without his authorization. Ask him - I’m sure he’ll be honest with you. After all he’s right, no?

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  83. The rov of WG doesn’t have henchmen. And no he didn’t tell anyone to close down a minyan because it was done without his permission. You are right though that he wouldn’t deny something he did like someone else who has a shtickel shul in WG.

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    1. How are you so sure about what both Rabbanim did or didn’t say? We’re you there? Did you take context into consideration? One Rav DID say that at least one minyan should close, and the other Rav has been deliberately misquoted/quoted out of context.

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  84. How are you so sure? Were you there?

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  85. Your rov was not taken out of context. This has been confirmed by many people that were there who always daven there and are big supporters of his.

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  86. Why are you so embarrassed that he said it that you keep trying to deny it? Isn’t it justified? After all your neighbors are mushchasim and much worse so what’s the big deal if he said they are mizera amalek?

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  87. You’re right. It takeh seems that it fits. The only thing is it WAS quoted out of context. It was a quote from the ohr gedalyahu. So I guess all ta’anos should be directed that way. Also names and epithets only hurt if they ring true.

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  88. Nothing was quoted out of context and you keep contradicting yourself so just stop making a fool of yourself.

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  89. I haven’t noticed any contradictions on their part. I wonder who’s really feeling like a fool here?

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  90. Why are you so embarrassed? You’re supposed to be mefarsem a mitzvah so especially before Yom Hardin you should be publicizing the names of all those who gave money to pay the lawyer and videos of all the people who came to the township meetings to help stop the Shul from being built. Isn’t this the best tzedaka? Isn’t it the best segulah for refuos and yeshuos for cholim, shidduchim and parnassah? Please publicize the names so we can all share the zechusim. Tizku lemitzvos!

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  91. You haven’t noticed any contradictions on “their” part? You mean your part. Everyone knows who you are. The contradictions are clear, if you are not capable of seeing them explaining it to you won’t help. I’m really sorry that I can’t help you.

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    1. So if you know who “we” are, please name us!

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  92. I would but please explain how you knowing the names would give you zechusim. Also you guys have a dark history of breaking into people’s homes late at night and terrorizing them and their families so I won’t put peoples lives in danger by telling you their names.

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    1. No need to publicize the names - just look at the videos

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  93. Huh? What’s with your psychobabble? Who breaks into people’s houses and terrorizes them? Have you finally totally lost the plot?

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  94. Psychobabble? It’s your friends that did exactly that!

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  95. I love how you guys give mussar about the yom hadin while in the same breath you berate your neighbors and spread lies about them trying desperately to cause more hate. I have some news for you, nobody even cares the world is sick of you guys endless kvetching.

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  96. If you really don’t care why comment? To spread the hate? People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

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  97. I already wrote that I don’t live there and only do this for fun and you give me a lot of fun.

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  98. Enjoy your Olam Habah.

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  99. You too! It might be a little hot on your side.

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