Wednesday, February 14, 2018

Giyus Banos: Knesset Committee Approves New Regulations Permitting Review of IDF Exemptions for Religious Girls - גיוס בנות

        "אבל כבד בעולם היהודי: "פרעה לא גזר אלא על הזכרים והם גזרו אף על הנקבות
The Knesset Committee approved new regulations to be able to examine the "Ptur" of frum Religious girls and have the ability to revoke it based on their religious observance. See report in Hebrew at bottom

YERUSHALAYIM -Hamodia - Despite the firm stance of chareidi MKs, who cited the clear ruling of Gedolei Yisrael of previous generations that service by women in the IDF is “yehareg v’al yaavor,” the Joint Committee of the Foreign Affairs, Defense and Constitution and Justice committees on Tuesday approved new regulations to the women’s draft law, and the forming of a committee to examine girls who received an exemption on the basis of religious observance.

The MKs of UTJ and Jewish Home strongly criticized the formation of a committee that consists of a clear majority of secular members, and wondered if it could decide on the veracity of the religious declaration of the applicants.

According to the law passed in 1978, any girl who meets the religious criteria – that she doesn’t travel on Shabbos and keeps kosher – can seek an exemption from military service on religious grounds. It is inconceivable, said the MKs, that this will now need to be verified by a committee of non-religious representatives.


Throughout the discussion, the chareidi representatives – Rabbi Meir Porush, Rabbi Uri Maklev (UTJ) and Rabbi Yoav Ben-Tzur (Shas) – vehemently insisted that any girl who is religiously observant has the right to receive an exemption.

The Joint Committee of the Foreign Affairs, Defense and Constitution and Justice committees, comprised of eight representatives from the coalition and the opposition, approved the new regulations. Even after the MKs asked for a second vote, the outcome was the same.

Deputy Minister Rabbi Porush reiterated that it is inconceivable that a Jewish girl seeking exemption from military service on religious grounds will be put to the test by representatives of the Ministry of Defense who are not members of the Torah-observant community.

He added that according to the letter of the law, a girl need not be examined for “full” Shabbos observance, as the law says that “a girl who does not travel on Shabbos, who does not violate the Shabbos in public and declines military service based on the call of Gedolei Yisrael that the enlistment of girls for military service is ‘yehareg v’al yaavor‘ is to be given the exemption, without any interference.”

He clarified that “if we examine the wording of the law it states that one who declares that she does not travel on Shabbos can receive a religious exemption. Likewise, even a girl who does not observe Shabbos to the full letter of the law, but meets the criteria of the draft law, does not have to report for the draft, if she declares that she is religious.”

The joint committee has already held an additional meeting on the issue that has thrown the chareidi street into turmoil, regarding exemption criteria from the army for religious women. The earlier discussion took place last month and concluded with no progress after the army declared that some 2,000 girls who had submitted statements claiming religious identity ultimately did not receive an exemption.

The meeting on Tuesday addressed Clause 40 of the Defense Service Law, which regulates the issue of exemptions from the army on religious grounds. The clause states that the exemption can be granted to anyone who declares that for religious reasons she cannot do army service, because she keeps kashrus at home and outside the home, and does not travel on Shabbos. Amendment 18 to the law seeks to simplify the procedures regarding annulment of the exemption due to religious recognition, in the event that the conditions for the exemption cease to exist for the draftee – for example if it emerges that the religious declaration is not in line with the reality.

According to the regulations approved by the joint committee, it was decided that the committee will be headed by a judge or a candidate suited to be a judge, and will consist of five members, including a public representative to be appointed on the recommendation of the Chief Rabbis and the military chaplain, and two additional representatives from the army. Three of the committee members will be women.

According to Amendment 18, the religious exemption can also be annulled when the IDF has clear grounds to assume that the girl has acted in violation of one of the criteria that she has declared, but the army wants to base their decisions primarily on the clause containing the criteria for religious recognition, because of the possibility for various interpretations that are already being applied in order to withhold exemptions from girls who file for them.

During the stormy session on Tuesday, the chareidi MKs expressed many reasons for objecting to the current regulations. In recent weeks they have held meetings with Defense Ministry and army personnel officials in an effort to reach agreements on the IDF’s recent withholding of exemptions for girls who have filed declarations. These include the case of a religious girl who studies in a non-religious school, and cases of baalos teshuvah.

In response to the committee members’ surprise at the vehement reaction, Rabbi Porush clarified: “When my daughters received their first draft orders, I quoted to them the instructions of Gedolei Yisrael according to which army service for girls is under the category of ‘yehareg v’al yaavor.’ That is the directive of Gedolei Yisrael, and that’s how we must act.”

Rabbi Maklev added that “in order to prove that a girl is not speaking the truth, absolute proof must be presented in order to annul the exemption. There has to be an objective test. Is this being done?”

MK Rabbi Yoav Ben Tzur added that “just like medical committees will not seat someone on them who is not an expert in the medical subject, so, too, there needs to be people who know how to ask the questions. A majority of religious people” who are familiar in a firsthand way with the lifestyle of a Torah-observant Jew.

Committee chairman MK Avi Dichter said that ambiguity is not good. “The law does not tolerate ambiguity, and we will have to devote a separate discussion on how to make sure that this ambiguity is removed.”

During the discussion, representatives of Habayit Hayehudi tried to oppose the regulations. “We must ensure that girls who are baalot teshuvah shall not need to serve,” said MK Moti Yogev.

MK Nissan Slomiansky asked to change the composition of the committee: “I request that the committee have three religious representatives. A representative of the Chief Rabbinate, as well as one who served as a military chaplain, and another religious person.”

At the end of the discussion, the regulations were approved as written by the committee, with just a few slight changes, by a majority of six to two opponents. Knesset members from the coalition and the opposition supported the regulations. The representative of Jewish Home abstained, and the chareidi representatives objected.
Source: Hamodia

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15 comments:

  1. Can someone please explain why there was a small asifa (attended by only two of the RY) davening against this gezeiras shmad, as opposed to a massive one with 10's of thousands attendees??!!

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    1. Ask Rav Moshe Shimon Shapiro shlita A Gaon Talmid chochom who is not kanoi or political. He was there davening maybe he can explain it to you. Or ask Ravens Moshe Hillel Hirsh shlita why he said to make an atzeres tefilla in Lakewood.

      But it doesn't seem your looking for the truth by your condescending comments.

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  2. Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? The peleg managed to alienate a large majority of public opinion. Now, nobody cares about giyus anymore.

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  3. AP is back at it again. AP, Giyus Banos should be a wall to wall demonstration. This should have nothing to do with BB vs Yerushalayim. If Bnay Braq comes out against fighting giyus banos with all our capabilities they will have shown their true colors. Reb Moshe Hillel said this is a terrible Gezaira and the Americans (who don't have negius, not part of the government, not taking money, not under the teror of the askanim) should make a tumel and do what they can. He says the askonim are looking to see how the Charaidy world responds.

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    1. The boy who didn't cry wolfFebruary 14, 2018 at 1:10 PM

      Come out? Of a closet? Who decided that public fighting is the way to go? This idea that people in EY owe a din vecheshbon to Americans is repugnant. They are in charge of their affairs and as long as the ehrliche yidden there dont ask us to mix in, we shouldn't.

      So far they can't even produce a letter to ask us.

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  4. Why is the Yated Neeman ignoring this issue. Are they still obsessed with Rubashkin that they failed to report this.
    They call themselves a torah newspaper, For What??????

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    1. reply from editor: it is not up to him, what get's published in his paper. It's all only clear directives from Maran HaRav Chaim Kaniecsky Shlit"a, and he hasn't receive that call yet.

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    2. as per the Rubashkin-Yated saga: That week, in Philadelphia it was not let in by directive of the Rosh Yeshiva, Hagaon Harav Shmuel Kamenetzky Shlita.

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  5. They have to preserve and protect the Bnei Brake legacy at all costs. If they recognize Giyus Banos that means that peleg faction raised a serious issue. The rather deny and let shmad than admit even a morsel to the other roshei yeshiva.

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    1. by bnei brak legacy he means Rav shach and Rav steinman. instead, they have real gedolim like that fake sefardi rosh yeshiva who spoke at the zalman leib asifa.

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  6. why does everyone really care what the yated says?? and if you value their opinoin why deont you figure out why they (and most of klal yisroel) deny the giyus bonis issue... if she doesnt drive on shabbos she wont go to the army, hows that called giyus bonis and a shmad etc???

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  7. Here is what the charadei kenesset members are saying
    ח"כ גפני: "איך אתם מעזים לומר שיש גזירת גיוס בנות?"
    הח"כים החרדים הגיבו לנושא גיוס הבנות כשהם מכחישים באופן גורף כי ישנה גזירה בנושא. "לא קיימת כל סכנה לבנות דתיות וחרדיות", מצהיר גפני ומסביר כי ישנו הליך חוקתי בנושא

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    1. הכותרת ב'המבשר': תדהמה ואכזבה ולמורת רוחה של היהדות הנאמנה. ועדה משותפת בכנסת אישרה תקנות שיאפשרו גיוס בנות ששומרות שבת וכשרות ע"י ועדה שבה רוב חילוני

      הכותרת בהמודיע: למורת רוחם ובהתנגדותם של נציגי יהדות התורה וש"ס – ועדת חו"ב אישרה תקנות חדשות שמתירות בחינת פטור לבנות דתיות בשונה ממה שאושר לפני ארבעים שנה". במסגרת התקנות שאושרו ברוב קולות, תוקם לראושנה ועדה במשרד הביטחון שתבדוק את אמיתות הצהרות הדת שהגישו בנות לקראת פטור מגיוס. הנציגים החרדים מחו בתוקף על שינוי בהתנהלות רשויות הצבא המקשות בתנאים שבניגוד לחוק ואינם נותנים תעודת פטור משירות לבנות הזכאיות לכך לפי חוק".

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    2. the words of MK Maklev in Friday's Israeli Yated: "בג"ץ מחייב כעת את המדינה לסיים הליך חוקתי שנגרר כבר שמונה שנים. אם לא המצב שהתהווה עכשיו – למרות התנגדותנו, אז הבג"ץ יעשה לבד את התקנות וההמשך מובן.

      "אנו היינו במציאות בלתי אפשרית בה כל פוקד עושה דין לעצמו בחסות בג"ץ. אני שומע על בנות ששואלים אותן שאלות כמו למה צמים ביום כיפור, או למשל, בת אחת שזימנו אותה לבירור משום שגילו שהיא עבדה כמלצרית בבית מלון בשבת ולטענתם היא חיללה שבת. הסברתי להם שמלצריות חרדיות מגישות בשמחות ואירועים גם בשבת קודש בהתאם להלכה והדבר לא מעיד על אי שמירת מצוות".

      "לא מיצינו את ההידברות עם הצבא. הדרישה שלנו היום היא להמשיך עד כמה שניתן את המאמץ להקל גם על הבנות החילוניות ולשמור מכל משמר על המצב הקיים עם הבנות החרדיות והדתיות. אנו ממשיכים באותה עשייה. אבל אין לנו 'שיניים' לחוקק חוק נגד בג"ץ, אף אחד לא יתמוך בנו בכך – למרות שהתנגדנו נחרצות".

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  8. for some basic info on the changes and its' ramifications refer to: http://jewishbreakingnews.com/2018/02/18/op-ed-new-law-regarding-giyus-habanos-sparked-commotion/

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