Friday, July 28, 2017

TVOL: Story Did not Take Place in Lakewood

The Voice of Lakewood: Story about girl Here did not take place in Lakewood

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  1. Spinning wheels once again.

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  2. Why in the world would they publish an unverified story?? Sloppy.

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  3. Is this just a clarification or a tactic to promote an agenda?

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  4. The letter didn't claim it took place in Lakewood

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  5. So why are Lakewood children doing heroin?

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  6. Thank you, as we commented here on HV, we doubt the story, and that an anonymous story is worthless or worse.

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    1. Sort of like an anonymous comment..... ;)

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  7. Voice likes controversy, it gets people to keep mag in bathroom all week.

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  8. It was meant for people to think that it was in Lakewood, there are some people with money that have an agenda and they will use all means even with dishonesty to get their message out

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  9. Don't think it can't happen in Lakewood
    I just can't understand how all the Lakewood principals can sit together at a meeting and end the meeting knowing full well that there are girls who are not accepted to a school. How can they leave the room knowing that a girl (or a few) will be going through hell?
    I have no doubt that even if this story didn't happen in Lakewood, it is definitely. Not that far away from happening.

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  10. There are almost no girls not accepted to a school. There might be girls accepted to a school that has room for them ,that want to go to schools that are stuffed to the rafters with 40 kids in a class. That is not the principals fault. That is the fault of the kehila ( anonymous bloggers included ) for not raising the money to open enough new schools. It is also the fault of parents who in some cases just won't accept a slot in a newer school that has room. Nobody is denying any parent the right to try to get into a older more established school. But st the end if the day some students will have to go the newer schools that have room and some parents will just have to accept that. We are increasing the student pool by 10 to 15 per cent per year and the older schools obviously can't just add a new class every year. There is no space or money to do that. High schools can't have 10 parallels and still function normally.

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    1. Matching students to an empty desk is not a solution. The VAAD that decides on placing girls has no Rabbonim or mechanchim involved in the decision process. Placing a girl in a school that wont work for her is like putting her on the moon. The only way for the system to workk is if there is a trust between the parents and the committee in charge of placing the girls. The way its done now is not fair or yashrus.

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    2. 845 PM you are totally right. What do they need rabbonim for if they are playing God?

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  11. I have nothing to do with any Vaad or matching kids etc. I do know a,lit,of people who have high school age daughters. When you raise money to open new schools then you can have a say in the process. I heard from reliable sources that there are close to 150 new girls entering high school every year. None of the Rabonim that you suggest are financially capable to start new schools. There is no desk space in the larger established schools that you feel it is " yashrus or fair " for these girls to attend. What exactly have you done to create the space to make sure there us enough space for these girls ? Have you built any new buildings ,hired any new principals,etc. Or is commenting the same comment here every time,complaining about the unfair system ,your donation to the cause ?

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  12. There is no vaad that decides where to place people. The vaad allows and encourages people to find the school that they think is appropriate. In the event there is no room in those schools and somebody is stuck without a school ,the Vaad tries to determine which schools in Lakewood have room and tries to get people accepted there. Of course if you can get into a different school ,the Vaad has no issue. I know first hand from nieces that went through the parsha. Every school in Lakewood is phenomenal and is acceptable for a bas Yisroel. If there were 5 more schools,then maybe people would have more choice. But no Mechanchos or mechanchim will say that a school is mechuyav to put 50 kids in a class in order to accept anybody that wants ,especially if there are good frum schools with smaller classes willing to accept them.

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    1. Not true. Have we forgotten what happened last year when 9 girls were kept out of school for 4 months!! all because of power and games! The Vaad tells everyone they must apply to 4 schools if you dont listen to them they wont help you. The schools will always take the straight A students or the well connected first. Tan comes the second and third rounds. The Vaad has an agenda of pushing kids to newer schools but not always is it the best fit for certain children. Again, if there were rabbonim and mechanchim on the vaad instead of plain Balei Batim things would be very different, as it stands now there is no trust.

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  13. Well, the daas tura of the anonymous blogger feels that matching students to an empty desk is not the solution. His solution is to match students to full desks and have 2 students share the same desk while leaving smaller newer schools with empty desks. I think that is a brilliant solution to the problem.We won't need new schools ,just have 2 students share every full desk and we are good to go.

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    1. You are skewing the facts to deflect the blame from the practice of sone Roshei mosdos and paint a very non realistic picture to bolster your argument. If the system was fair and every girl that's accepted is with out protekzia yichus or pull than we would have no issues. It's exactly because the accepting system is corrupt that creates all the problems.

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    2. You are talking nonsense. Unlike out of Lakewood , basically every sibling gets into school. That is just about 75 to 80 per cent of the kids,and many of those have severe issues and they still get in. So of course its going to create a problem where the non siblings have a hard time getting in. There are always 200 non siblings fighting for 150 desks. The only one skewing the facts is you. Once the siblings are in ,there is simply not enough non sibling desks to go around. I'm sure if you had a school ,you would not accept the daughters and granddaughters of your supporters ,or your Rosh Yeshivas child or your relatives child. Well most schools do and that is the way of the world. If there were enough desks it would not matter and since you aren't doing anything to create those new desks ,you choose to blame those that do.

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  14. If you call a parent who has 2 school acceptances but davka keeps his kids out of school to try and force his way into a 3rd particular school as " being kept out of school for 4 months " then be my guest. You still haven't answered what you are doing to alleviate the shortage of desks caused by 150 new girls entering high school every year. If you feel people don't have to go to new schools where there is room ,then I guess there is really no point to create new schools ,because in any event you will tell the parents that they have a right to demand to get their kids into the older full schools. And if they can't ,you will say its power and politics,even if there is space in newer schools.

    In the next 3 years the town will need close to 500 new desks for high school. What are you doing to create those desks? And then even if they are created , you will still say that parents have the right to not use those desks and instead keep their kids home and hold out for the older full schools.

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  15. You are absolutely correct.There is no point in making new schools because people like this anonymous commenter will always say you are entitled to go where you want and if you don't get into the school you want even if its full ,then its power and games. So making new schools is a waste of time for these kinds of people because they feel entitled to go where they want ,not where they are wanted or where there is room.

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    1. Im been very involved and actually sent my daughter to a new school. It was very hard from the get go as some older established schools started taking in more girls when they felt pressure from the newer school getting the good students.
      There are lots of shtick and games that go on the system is not fair across the board.

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  16. Both me and a certain school were pressured into sending /accepting my child there even though the school was clearly not catering to that type of student. The story does not have a happy ending.

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  17. http://www.vosizneias.com/276351/2017/07/31/brooklyn-ny-audio-in-tearful-interview-father-of-chasidic-overdose-victim-says-jewish-educational-system-is-failing-weaker-students/

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  18. I am not going to deal with this particular case. I'm not familiar with it. But I do know that we as a community are shirking our responsibility. There are many known cases where schools were asked to deal with weaker students who needed resource rooms. The schools told the Askonim that they would gladly do their share provided there was some funding from the kehila to hire the special teachers needed for the resource rooms. The funding never materialized. We are sending millions of dollars in tzedokoh to many worthy causes ,but our mosdos ,especially girls high schools that need extra redource rooms are not getting any of it. There is a little funding from the board of ed for some tutoring in some secular subjects. But there are some girls that need serious money to be helped and the kehila is not forthcoming. I am not saying that the Yeshivas and kollelim that are getting the tzedokoh are not worthy ,of course they are. But these girls Mosdos also need the funding to help the weaker and socially problematic girls and they are not getting enough. Maybe in this particular case this was not the issue as the father claims he was willing to help. But in many other cases ,money would go a long way to allow schools to set up programs for the kids that are not in the box.

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  19. Your comment is 100 per cent on target. Here in Lakewood,there is no funding for regular physically healthy children who are learning disabled or need special learning resources. The ones who ate mainstreamed struggle. In most cases the school has no funding and unless the parents are wealthy ,the patents can't afford to help,pay for tutors and special teachers. I know several schools where the lady principals are busy schnorring on their own so that these kids can get some help. The kids that can't be mainstreamed are in Mosdos that closed down because of lack of funds. We all know who they are. We are only giving our tzedokoh to causes that have fancy dinners and pr, which this cause does not have. While their might he enough blame to go around , in many cases the schools and principals would like to help but lack of funding doesn't let them do a great job. The govt funding is for severely disabled kids like Schi. It doesn't help regular kids who need special help with Limudei Modest subjects.

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