Wednesday, July 12, 2017

They Speak Only For Themselves

Leadership means protecting the flock and defending them. It means you don't look out for yourself at all and you are there 100 percent for those you claim to represent. At the moment of truth they failed. When a leader looks out for himself and their personal interests its impossible to care for and to go to bat for the flock. The self appointed spokesman failed miserably. Instead of standing up to what was a witch hunt and a deliberate attempt to target a community, they admitted guilt, validated the charges and threw everyone under the bus just to deflect attention from themselves. They went to the press and gave statements calling innocent couples as "bad apples" who bend rules, they added salt to an open wound. 

Who asked them to speak on our behalf? who appointed them to represent anyone? these self appointed spokesmen don't represent anyone but their own ego. Other self appointed askanim went on various media outlets and only made things worse. 

Respected Balei Batim from New York who have been supporters, were livid and shocked at how the so called establishment responded to what went on. They called up screaming at how the youngeleit were left out hi and dry.

Its not enough they left the tzibbur hang out to dry but now they also want to cash in with a community wide symposium as if to further admit that there are problems. Its time for all of them to step away and stop  stepping on the innocent tzibbur. 

The Vaad is morally corrupt with conflicts of interests they have no right and can not advocate or represent the tzibbur. They had their first test after the elections where they tore the town apart to remain in power, and they Failed miserably. 

44 comments:

  1. As much as i despise the vadd and company, please explain how this was a witch hunt against an entire community.?

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    1. How else would you characterize a campaign that targets only Yeshiva people? This wasn't a case where it was known that a crime was committed and just by co-incidence the investigation uncovered the perpetrators who just happened to be Yeshiva people. The Newark Smear Ledger reported that a law enforcement source commented that, "We're sending a message to this community that the party is over". Is that not saying that they are targeting Yeshiva people in order to "send a message? And if the target is Yeshiva people do you think that law enforcement would be meticulous in making sure that there is no doubt about the guilt of the people they arrest?

      Again, the point was the message; the guilt or innocence of any individual was irrelevant. Thar is exactly what a witch hunt is.

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  2. https://youtu.be/EeDUo2J8bkw

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    1. this link doesn't work

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  3. lol at how you make assertions that have no basis in reality by making unimpeachable statements.

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  4. The Feds have bean going after diffrent towns in which are zones of poverty & mostly ocupied by one group of people. A few years ago I was reading about how some people are saying that frum people should not take any gov't money I thought they were nuts. The thing is that there is no such thing as free money sometime down the line you need to pay the piper, in the last few years the feds have been targeting diffrent towns & when you dig you find something. I don't think it is relisted to stop all gov't funding in this town, but may be we as a group should start to think how to manage on less gov't money

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  5. It's a witch hunt when the state decided 2 years ago that they must trim their budget by cutting down programs to Lakewood and took 1000 files and asked the prosecutor to see what he could find....take any 1000 in any city and you'll find some questions. It was pure racism. You can't take 1000 Jews. Imagine had they took 1000 blacks or Latinos or Italians. There'd be a civil war. And they used religion against the people by asking who is sponsoring their religious needs and service....they violated income guidelines to get FAKE prosecutions and now the big time lawyers will make them wish never started. It's 100% Anti semitism!!!!!!!!!!!

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  6. Wow very well written! So true these are my thoughts exactly I was sick when I saw the statements the vaad members released. As well as the interview with David lichtenstien etc. But they won't allow us to voice our opinion anywhere, only they can go out and create a massive chilul hashem. Kudos to hefkervelt for allowing us to voice our concerns. It is time for the rabbanim in town to step up and take over control we need to rally behind them.

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  7. Harold HerskowitzJuly 12, 2017 at 11:37 PM

    From VAAD endorsed Senator Bob Singer

    [These programs are] designed to help the poor. If you take this money improperly, you are stealing money from the poor … Not only the taxpayer, but the poor,” New Jersey State Senator Robert Singer, former mayor of Lakewood, told FOX Business Friday.

    While Singer said there are safeguards in place at the local level, much like hackers who find new ways to infiltrate systems, people have allegedly found ways to “subvert” these public assistance programs.

    “This is a terrible, terrible thing that is happening. These programs are designed to help the poor,” Singer said. “[We don’t have enough money to help all of them], let alone have money be stolen.”
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    Shame on all of you.
    What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    Singer .... was involved in the Cogen plant ... Singer Was the person behind the lucrative Blue Claws deal. The list goes on and on.
    He has helped VAAD members, and other leaders to get what they needed all these years, at our expense, and they are judging our friends and neighbors?

    I would say that now we plainly see that they don't care about the klal. But of course there will still remain many of you that will blindly do what they tell you to do.
    Judenrat 2017

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    1. The Vaad is to blame completely.
      When the current NJ Governor was running for election for his first term the Vaad refused to meet with him. He begged, others begged..to no avail.

      Governor Christie, It's pay-back time?

      Without Singer, the vaad is out the window.

      Singer needs the vaad ....

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  8. Dont you know how much goes on "behind the scenes" that's what the vaad always says we dont care about that we know from what was done publicly both the action and inaction.
    On another note the vaad missed opportunities to explain the uniqueness of Lakewood such as married students and large families that beneit from the programs but they were too busy looking out for themselves and never advocated properly or responded all these years to baseless accusations lobbed at the community.

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  9. Agudah of NJ was silent when it was all going down, now they try to look like the savior in a self righteous way lecturing the community.

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    1. Hey schnall. Did u get lost?

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  10. The vert same vaad member who besmirched the community with his dumb remarks is now the chairman for the so called symposium. They are making money off it by making you sign your name so they can show numbers.
    They have no shame!!!!!!!
    We should call the Roshei Yeshiva and demand they remove these self appointed askanim from our midst.

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  11. Ocean County Latino Community
    are in a major crisis
    and seeking community support!



    An Ocean County contingency of Latino Pastors and community leaders
    are hosting a special meeting
    with the coordination of Senator Robert Singer which will include the:
    Ocean County Prosecutor, Joe Coronato
    Ocean County Sheriff, Mike Mastronardi
    & Executives from OHI, Chemed, Meridian,
    and the Ocean County Health Dept.
     
    JULY 11TH


    LOCATION:
    Ocean County Health Department
    175 Sunset Ave. Toms River 08755
    2:00pm - Room 18 - 2nd Floor

    The discussion is to address the fears and current challenges our
    Latino families, neighbors, and friends are experiencing
    as a result of immigration pressures.


    Pastor Walter Healy, founder of the Church of Grace and Peace,
    will provide opening remarks based on a piece he wrote entitled:


    "The Biblical Perspective on Immigration."


    Other Pastors and community leaders will be speaking with the hopes to engage in a healthy discussion that will bring resolve and peace
    to our neighbors in Ocean County!
    The group is seeking your attendance and support!

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    1. where is this kind of support for the jewish community??

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    2. No offense, but anyone here legally should have no fears and anyone who is not here legally shouldn't be here. . .

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  12. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, argued Wednesday that Congress should build President Trump's border wall by taking money from Planned Parenthood and federal food stamps.
    On CNN, King said he supports the $1.6 billion in funding that the House is considering as a start for building the wall. But he said he'd add another $5 billion if he had his way.
    "And I would find half of a billion dollars of that right out of Planned Parenthood's budget," he said. "And the rest of it could come out of food stamps and the entitlements that are being spread out for people that haven't worked in three generations."
    "We've got to put America back to work, this administration will do it," he said.
    When challenged on the idea of taking food stamp funding, he said that federal program was meant to deal with malnutrition, but said many of its users are now obese.

    "Now we have a problem of obesity," he said. "And when you match up the EBT card with what the scales say on some of the folks, I think it's worth looking at. Michelle Obama looked at it, Republicans should be able to look at it too."
    He also said the border wall would help create millions of new jobs, which would mean far fewer people will need federal aid.
    "We will create the kind of security that would bring about 10 million new jobs in America just by enforcing immigration law," he said.

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  13. We should beg Trump for a wall in Lakewood, between the vaad and the tzibur. It will protect us from the vaads evil gangsters. Behind the wall should also be put the Igud hamoisdois.

    The money could come from the township to the BOE according to MI, and from the "downtown" multi story parking garage for 7th St & Private way. Amen

    Ribonei shel oilum- protect us from our friends, I'll protect myself from my enemies.

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  14. Has LFD response time slowed down. It took 15 Minutes to respond to a fire on North Crest the LPD was there for 10 minutes before the Fire trucks arrived.

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  15. Its even more disgusting how the opportunistic the Agudah the lrrc lcsc and the vaad are, they did nothing for the last few years and now they want to cash in on the tzibburs fear and troubles just to promote themselves and make themselves relevant.
    No one should show up to this fake meeting. The lawyers dont know the rules and you cant trust a word that comes out of their mouths.

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  16. Dear Editor,

    I’m sure all are aware of the recent arrests in Lakewood. There are so many infuriating aspects that have not received any attention. The Asbury Park Press went to town with new articles every day about the Lakewood Orthodox community defrauding the government. They have given all our non Jewish neighbors an outlet to express their hate. This is unacceptable. I take this as a personal affront. I do not steal from the government so please do not give the entire community a guilty verdict without a trial. Even more so, the individuals arrested have not had a trial, and I personally know one couple that truly needs government programs to survive and has no money that would have made receiving programs justified. If the Asbury Park Press would treat any other community as this, there would be a large outcry with protests in the street. We have community leaders, the Lakewood Vaad to represent us. If the Vaad would truly represent us, they would have raised money for funds to sue the Asbury Park Press and pay for lawyers to protect those arrested as being unfairly targeted as Orthodox Jews. Sadly, the Vaad threw them and the rest of the community under the bus. Instead of crying out “Innocent until proven guilty” and this is not a widespread community problem, they are saying the fun is over. Mayor Coles strongly condemned those arrested who again forgot we live in a country where innocent until proven guilty. Duvi Honig, a self-appointed askan, said they cannot be blamed because of the burden of expenses the Lakewood Orthodox Jews face. What?! So he is implying that many in the community are doing this because they have to. How does that sound to our neighboring communities? Maybe these people should think before they talk? If these arrests would have happened to Chassidim, their leaders would’ve protected them. Only in Lakewood, can this happen. For the FBI to make public arrests like they did, just shows there is someone with an agenda. Maybe the current Attorney General wants to run for Governor. The truth will come out soon. Generally, if someone is falsely reporting income, as has happened to individual in the past, s/he will receive a letter in the mail and would need to repay. FBI needs to arrest dangerous individuals. Not make a scene such as they did.

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    1. Dont kill the messenger!

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  17. There is a simple way to counter the slander against our community. DON'T attend the 'asifa' at the Cheder, but rather go to the BOE meeting taking place at the same time, and stand up and speak in defense of the Jewish community, as the usual crowd just verbally bash Jews for sport. It's time Jews stand up and defend themselves in their arena... and win for a change!!

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  18. I usually with you about how the had taken advantage of their position. That's why I go to your site and pay close attention to what your posts and your comments say. But I must say I disagree with you on this. You and I all know the mentality that is very prevalent. I won't go into details. But it's the mentality that we have to eliminate. The media is most definitely anti semitic in its coverage and must be brought to task. But if the Vaad would have said the arrests were anti semitic it would have been much worse for us. This time we must look in the mirror and correct some blemishes, not blame the Vaad.

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    1. To anonymous @ 839 am. Thank you for articulating the problem so well with out getting into detail. You could not have said it any better, under the circumstances.Your 1000% on target.
      I wish more of the oylam would have mirrors to look into.

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    2. the reason pple are upset is because they shouldve said "innocent until proven guilty" as some of the pple arrested actually are.

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    3. Why only "some,". According to you ' all are innocent untill proven guilty.

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    4. They did say "innocent until proven guilty"

      Written below is copied and pasted from their statement

      "We are saddened beyond words by the arrests of seven couples in our town. As firm believers in the principle of ‘innocent until proven guilty,’ we suspend judgment until the disposition of these charges

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    5. Even the Vaad saying "innocent until proven guilty" wasn't necessary. Anything said in self defense would to some degree justify what happened. I think this time (I am no fan of the Vaad) they did the right thing by addressing a very real issue without any attempt at justifying even to a tiny degree. Now if only everyone would take what they said seriously instead of trying to defend the indefensible mentality. Even Poskim should say that AT LEAST from the point of Chillul Hashem these actions are assur.

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    6. Harold HerskowitzJuly 13, 2017 at 10:25 AM

      Whatever "mentality" you speak of was promoted and perpetuated by the VAAD and Aaron Kotler. 20 years ago the Kollel was much smaller because only a select few were capable of living the austere lifestyle that being in kollel required. No longer was there a stigma to using public assistance and driving a new leased car. No longer was it strange to be on HUD and living in a 5 bedroom home with....This change came about because of a desire to grow an empire. It wasn't about Torah or Kiddush Hashem . It was a selfish need for money and power. Now that this lifestyle is being questioned, those very same people that promoted it, are decrying it? Unfortunately there are currently 14 innocent families being hurt by this "realization" . We should still defend them and decry the blatant anti semitic actions taken to defame our fellow brothers.
      We are being led by an actual Judenrat. It didn't work out that well 75 years ago, so maybe we should find an alternative

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    7. Sorry, HH, but I'm a "senior citizen" and I have seen this mentality from before Aaron Kotler was even born! The difference is that back then it was mostly Europeans who brought their European attitudes about gentile governments with them. What's the excuse in more recent times in our medina shel chesed (which does have flaws of course)?

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    8. Harold HerskowitzJuly 13, 2017 at 11:54 AM

      My parents were one of those Europeans. They refused to take anything from the government even when it was an accepted practice. How many elderly very wealthy people take all their assets out of their names as they age in order to receive full government benefits? Is it wrong to do that ? If it is then there should be a law against it. Although it was legal, my parents steadfastly refused to do it. But that doesn't mean that those that do it are criminals. There is nothing wrong with taking from the cookie jar if it is sitting open on the counter. But don't slam the lid on people's fingers and destroy their lives. The VAAD and all of our so called leaders are serious cookie munchers themselves and had no right to criticize our friends and neighbors. They are the ones that should lead by example. Will Aaron Kotler now publicly drop his lawsuit for a 10 million dollar grant to yeshiva that is causing a massive chillul hashem? I highly doubt it. Maybe David Lichtenstein can discuss all the benefits he received for his businesses on the backs of taxpayers. Maybe he can explain why 8th and Monmouth street is closed for through traffic.
      Stop being high and mighty on the backs of the poor and struggling people. Look in the mirror and be the change you want to see in others .

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    9. Bravo Hershel!

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  19. The vaad statement was lip service look at the action they took and what they said. It's easy to say innocent until proven guilty but when you don't back it up and throw the olam under the bus it speaks volumes. People in Lakewood and supporters of the yeshiva out of town were furious at how the vaad responded. No one was fooled because the vaad stuck in the innocent word. Speak to the Kollel guys they are mad as he.. At the vaad response some have called them kapos.

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  20. Did anyone expect anything different from the vaad. How many vaad members have a hand in the township cookie jar?
    One million dollars for Lakewood roads were diverted and used for Cedarbridge infrastructure 10 years ago.
    Another member gets sits on a committee that gives township money to his Org.
    So on and so forth the corruption stinks do you expect them to defend the community when they are defending themselves?

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  21. Harold HerskowitzJuly 13, 2017 at 2:26 PM

    If you are so sure of your rotten apple theory , put your name to it. Dont accuse people of things behind the veil of anonymity. I just find it funny that the same people that were so quick to judge those on programs as thieves are the same people that ran to protect accused child molesters whose crimes were well established. Standing up against child molestation and abuse is nothing to be ashamed of, but accusing others of crimes, when you yourself are taking advantage of taxpayers and residents is inexcusable. If someone steals from public programs they can pay it back, but don't sit on your high horse and judge anyone, especially if they are innocent and you are not.
    Developers, politicians, realtors, and all those that relied on a booming construction industry all benefited directly from the government aid system. Now they all sit back and judge. Very nice.
    I wasn't saying if anyone stole it is ok. And i definitely am not saying two wrongs make a right. What I am trying to point out is that we have people leading our community that are in no position to protect us. They are too busy covering up what they themselves do wrong to speak out for those that need protection.

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    1. Well said! You also have Rabbanim in this town who blow whichever way the wind blows and who have no backbone to stand up for themselves.

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  22. The Rahbonim in Lakewood are on the payroll of the bmg vaad, so don't give me stories.

    The dollar talks, ... walks.

    Sure we need independent elections for askonim to represent our interests.

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    1. Which rabbonim in particular are on the bmg payroll?

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    2. The ones that are scared of their own shadows and can't stand up for themselves once they've made a decision. The first person challenges and they sway right away.

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    3. If you arent nameing names why should we take you seriously? Anyone can hock!

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  23. In the past people have been blasted for writing names of Rabbanim on blogs. I don't blame anon @ 10.23 for not writing names.

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  24. Anon posts mean nothing. For all we know all 20 comments are from,the same person

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