Monday, July 24, 2017

A Change In Menu


52 comments:

  1. http://www.ch10.co.il/news/382046/#.WXZBgITyu71

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  2. Anonymous Brisk AdmiredJuly 24, 2017 at 12:05 PM

    Aside from the distasteful nature of the original menu -

    I think it really doesn't pas for the rosh yeshiva to come and be the designated siyum boy for the rich guys to eat meat

    just so bizyonish

    this is kavod hatorah?

    it's like he's their servant boy making the siyum

    let one of the rich guys make the siyum

    Very distasteful all around. Is this what the "ir hatorah" stands for now? Gashmius in the extreme? And with the shtempel of the yeshiva

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  3. הסעודה שהסעירה את העיר לייקווד: ברוך ירמייאש, אחד מאנשי העסקים הצעירים בעיר החרדית שבניו ג'רזי תכנן ערב גיוס כספים לטובת 'כלל ישראל'.

    לשם כך הוא זימן ליום רביעי בערב מפגש אקסקלוסיבי למוזמנים בלבד, בראשו יעמדו הוא ואיש העסקים שמעון גליק.

    גורמים בלייקווד אומרים כי הדינר היוקרתי, שיתקיים בביתו של ירמייאש הוצג רשמית כערב המיועד "לערב את החברים לדעה ולמאה לבוא לעזרת כלל ישראל באופן כללי", אולם לדבריהם "זה כנראה מאחורי הקלעים ערב לגיוס כספים עבור ישיבת לייקווד המקומית".

    אז למה סערה? ובכן, התפריט של הערב – סעודה בשרית שתכלול שבעה שלבים – היא שהציתה את הרוחות, כאשר לפי התכנית ראש הישיבה הגאון רבי מלכיאל קוטלר אמור לסיים מסכת בשעת הדינר, שיתקיים בתשעת הימים.

    גורם בלייקווד לחרדים 10: "האנשים כמרקחה. חלקם על שהישיבה משתפת פעולה עם אירוע כזה; אחרים מתקשים להבין איך רבי מלכיאל משתתף בערב כזה על ידי שהוא מסיים מסכת; ויש מי שכנראה נסערים על שלא הוזמנו לסעודה כך כך טעימה…"

    עם זאת, גורמים בלייקווד אומרים, כי בעקבות הסערה שהתעוררה, הוחלט להחליף את התפריט לפרווה.

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  4. http://www.ch10.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/WhatsApp-Image-2017-07-24-at-6.24.07-PM.jpeg

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  5. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gftJDSuQy3IJ:https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/shocker-bmg-seudas-achashveirosh-9-days-torah+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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  6. Yeshiva World News should look in the Mirror and be ashamed of itself.
    Chiruf and Giduf talmidei chachamim go on unchecked. Posts mocking kollel youngeleit and Lakewood in particular. Bizuy kavod Hatorah publicizing any chilul Hashem that they see fit.
    And they have the nerve to tell everyone they listen to daas torah.

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    1. Don't shoot the messenger. The tone deafness displayed by BMG is beyond astounding.

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    2. Supposedly Rav Elya Brudny approves the content on YWN

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    3. Did he also approve the visit to the pope?

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  7. New menu:
    Sphagetti. French Toast, Yeshiva Tuna fish (the one that is served by shalashudis) Shabbos cereal and milk, Herring, Egg bar and Omelet station.

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  8. It is sad when things that are cneged ruch haTorah keep happening at the behest of BMG, and it is only when the tzibbur is mocheh that changes are made.

    It honestly makes me sad.

    Yet, when it comes to elections, the same people that make these decisions, become the indisputable Daas Torah

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  9. IMHO This was blown way out of proportion the original menu was I'm no way over the top. They should have kept it as is.

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  10. What the heck is wrong with people this is how yeshivas for 70 years Made money to survive by making fancy events for wealthy people.
    If you want to attack bmg there is plenty of other things that warrant it but not this

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    1. burich said it's not a fundraiser. purely just a freserei festival.

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    2. Bec. He was trying to get people to come

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  11. I really dont think this event was anyone's business to comment on. Maybe if you were invited but people should look in the mirror before judging others.

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  12. It's obviously a fundraiser otherwise the poor folks would have been invited as well

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  13. Harold HerskowitzJuly 24, 2017 at 11:40 PM

    This is not meant to bash BMG or even its CEO, but this was plain and simple an example of being menuval berishus hatoira. This all started years ago when the Yeshiva allowed a newcomer to the Yeshiva to promote his idea for a Chinese auction called "HOME". Inside the fancy book were examples of opulent prizes that most of us could not use let alone understand. What could a lakewood resident do with a crystal chandelier that cost as much as a townhouse? A booklet filled with prizes so outrageously oppulent that a true Jewish home had no use for. No trips to Israel, no shaitels or tuition payments. The person that was responsible for the booklet was obviously out of touch with the reality of a typical lakewood person. Now fast forward 15 years later. That person obviously thinks that he has changed lakewood to fit his hashkofos. But it seems we aren't ready for his idea of what judaism is about. We live with the concept of tznius. Tznius is not just about skirt length and denier thickness on tights. It encompasses who and what we all are . Both men and women. Yet we have lost our way in true tznius. We think we own Lakewood and can build whatever we want even if it inconveniences others. We think we can get as much government money even if it makes others upset. We can build homes as opulent as we can afford with no regard to how we are perceived. And we can make a party with every delicious victual we can stuff down our throats during a week that we should be remembering the single worst time in the history of judaism. How crass it is for the premier makom Torah to promote and enable such an event with a siyum. I am even more disgusted by those defending this. Was the candied bacon served to commemorate the pig brought into the bais hamikdosh?
    The menu was not changed. The Acapella singers and the wine were cancelled last minute. Those defending this event obviously have no idea what true judaism is .They think that yiddishkite is purely capitalist. But its not . We have a limit of what we are allowed to do in all areas of life.
    Including fundraising.

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    1. HAROLD

      I give you a A+ all the way. keep standing up for torah & the people of lakewood

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  14. Balei Batim have very busy schedules, other nights you have weddings, Dinners and family obligations. During summer and in the 9 days may only be the best time for a fundraiser not saying its lechatchila but you work with what you have.

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    1. The point was it didn't have to be such an over the top menu during the 9 days

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    2. No problem. Do it in the 9 days. But keep to the 9 days spirit. This is a Yeshiva based program, keep it that way.

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  15. yeah - but candied bacon. seriously, they've lost their minds

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  16. I was there for a few minutes. Some of the people told me that they reduced the menu. There weren't the same amount of courses.

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    1. Harold HerskowitzJuly 25, 2017 at 8:39 AM

      They did not change the menu.
      I was sent pictures of the food on what's app. I am not a neophyte when it comes to food and I have the waistline to prove it. I have never seen food like that, and i saw the candied bacon. I must say it looked a lot better than an egg with ashes.
      These anachronistic actions keep happening with greater frequency and it is quite frankly scary.
      Supporting a meshumad in politics.
      Debating whether to keep someone's name on a yeshiva building that has morals well below what should be accepted.
      Calling girls schools not to accept someone's daughters as ransom for political reasons.
      Being involved in zoning and planning issues that have nothing to do with the yeshiva.
      Supporting a corrupt VAAD.
      Publicly suing the state for a grant that was found to be unconstitutional and causing chillul hashem.
      Calling our own people bad apples in order to have the eyes of the law turned away from yourself.
      Endorsing politicians that have agendas that oppose Torah judaism.
      Promoting a mall with a theater in the center of our town.
      Allowing a baseball stadium in the center of our town and then telling families they will kick out our children from school if they attend a game.
      Hiring an expensive Public relations firm to help your image. The list can go on.
      All of these questionable actions keep adding up and are quite frankly diluting the message that a Torah lifestyle is the only way to live.
      Perhaps, just perhaps, our younger generation is now questioning our ways because they see all of the hypocrisy. I am sure I will get screamed at for criticizing THE premier Torah institution of America. I can only say that i would never criticize my alma mater if it was acting like the Premier Torah institution that it was established to be. Please do not confuse the actions of a few people that are hiding behind the hod v'hadar of our holy makom Torah, with all of those learning with no interest in politics or power.
      Save the PR firm bills and focus on helping those sitting and learning leshmoh behasmada. Find ways to make their lives easier so they can continue learning Torah. Make Lakewood proud to be the host of the largest Torah institution in American history. If you cant do that job without makimg a chillul hashem, perhaps it's time to find a new direction.

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    2. Hershel, They can change the daas torah and Hashkafos you are stuck 20 years behind the times.

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    3. who catered the event?

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    4. Schultz catered

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    5. i never heard of him.

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    6. Because he's not for us little guys. Ha ha.

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  17. On point, the whole idea of making a siyum in the 9 days is questionable. Camps get a heter, if you happen to finish then you are allowed to. But to make a freserei event, and based off of pics that I saw the original menu was still served, is wrong and not al pi derech hatorah in any way shape or form. They could have waited a week... I highly doubt R Chaim Volozhiner did this back in the day, it's one thing to cater to rich ppl, it's another to actually be the caterer... But on the other hand there hasn't been so much siyumim so maybe this will be a tikkun for the churban, all this learning...

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  18. Harrald WELL SAID SO TRUE AND TO THE POINT!!!

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  19. There are camps out there that dont allow siyumim for the hashkafa reasons of the childrens chinuch, camos are for kids this was for a yesjiva and a kollel and went all out how pathetic

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  20. Was it a New York Caterer?

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  21. Dear Rebs.... and the many other non-farginers that live amongst us in Lakewood "ir hakodesh",

    We BH just finished the much anticipated, much talked about , and much vilified event. To say the event was a kiddush hashem is not my place, but directly through the party, BMG was able to secure an additional 2mm to help alleviate the burden on the hanhalla in a time where the yeshiva is in desperate financial straits.

    I realize you spend most of your days plotting and conspiring how to wreak havoc and try to spread lies and hurt the Yeshivas image. In fact yesterday I heard you spent over an hour, creating a meme of the party and recreating for the 40th time, the 7 course menu. Firstly, I'd like to commend you for your tremendous creativity. Hopefully one day this will translate into real dollars and cents for yourself. Secondly, I want to say this: it's only through your negativity, jealousy and resentment, that the coordinators and hosts of this event were motivated to prove to everyone that this was not just one of the 300 BBQ parlor meetings that that take place every night in the summer (and yes, many of them in the 9 days) but rather it was an event of true askanim and real givers to come and pledge support to the largest torah institution in America.

    I know you were wondering why you did not receive the wooden "coffin" invitation. The answer is, that we really tried to keep the event exclusively to people who are A. Not really involved in yeshiva yet,but can potentially get involved in many aspects (not just giving a check )
    B. Have the capability of writing a big check. (I don't just mean financial wherewithal , but also the capability of parting with a large sum of money)
    And C. People with positive energy, that fargin other people's successes and are truly looking to make a difference.

    Unfortunately, you did not meet most/any of those criteria so you were not invited to attend.

    Please send my sincere apologies to your whole chabura of haters that spent the 48 hours prior and 24 hours after the party making memes and fake menus of the event and even sent a drone up in the air to spy on the party. Although to the naked eye, seems pathetic and only a deranged resentful jealous person, would spend that much time discussing, internalizing and dissecting a party they weren't even invited to. But I do realize that it's not just this party but rather, this is your life's mission-to judge everybody and everything with negativity and pessimism. So I therefore wanted to let you know, that you were tremendously successful in your mission of generating terrible PR for the the event, but only through that-were we motivated to make the event even more successful than we originally anticipated. And for that, we must thank you profusely.

    Thanks again, and may hashem continue to give the kochos to spent countless unproductive hours doing your avodas hakodesh. Thanks again,

    XXXX

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    1. Anonymous Brisk AdmirerJuly 25, 2017 at 12:13 PM

      "BMG was able to secure an additional 2mm to help alleviate the burden on the hanhalla"

      In other words, hakesef yaaneh es hakol. Thanks for making that as clear as possible.

      I can't help but wonder how Brisk would view funds obtained for a yeshiva in such a manner. With the Rosh Yeshiva coming to be the designated siyum boy for the fresserai. Oh wait, I already know:

      "M'zitst dortn, un m'shtupt zich fun kol minei taanugei oilam hazeh, un tzemitten m'hert eppes a vort..."

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    2. Please why do us simpletons have to be exposed to this elitist social way of life. Keep this in fighting amongst yourselves.
      Thanks

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    3. Wasn't this officially not a fundraiser? This saga is getting stranger and stranger. Either way still a bizayon hatorah. New leadership is needed, people with foresight not hindsight...

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    4. only people with "positive energy" were allowed in? does that mean you didn't invite any of the "bad apples"?

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    5. Harold HerskowitzJuly 25, 2017 at 1:46 PM

      I wholeheartedly agree with you about the drones,the memes(although some were funny) and anyone acting like a loi farginer. But I can assure you that I am not in the least bit interested in fresarei or hobnobbing with the "elite" Nouveau riche. There are many well respected people in town that are disgusted by this event and the direction our town and the yeshiva is going in. Perhaps its time for us to make a parlor meeting to raise funds for our new Makom Torah in town based on living betzina without causing chillul hashem. Perhaps Harav Yeruchem Olshin can give our divrei brocha? Perhaps this will be the straw that broke the camels back. I can also assure you that our parlor meeting will be exclusive. We will only invite people that make an honest living. We will not take donations from millionaires that don"t pay property taxes or made their money in any sketchy way. Our exclusive club will be elevated with the knowledge that our money is going directly to those slaving in torah and not for PR firms , bought off politicians,or to help developers build more projects in Lakewood.

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  22. Thank You Harold .You wrote out, what everyone is thinking .!!! May you merit to greet Moshiach. Amen

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  23. If a rich guy wants to act rich by all means go ahead, drive a ferrari, buy a yacht enjoy your life. But to kasher it in the name of a yeshiva is wrong. Pas bmelach tochal. If anyone ever wonders why so many children go OTD, maybe gove a thought about the contradictory messages that are continually sent to them as the grow up....

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    1. Anonymous Brisk AdmirerJuly 25, 2017 at 3:36 PM

      Well said.
      Let the rich guys fress all they want. The bizayon is putting the shtempel of the yeshiva on such fresserai during the 9 days. And to add to the embaressment is having the RY come and be the siyum boy to kasher the fresserai.

      And good point about the kids getting contradictory messages. If you talk out of two sides of your mouth - you pay lip service to Torah, torah, torah, but you give all the kavod to the gvirim and their fresser events, it kind of dilutes the message. Kids are not dumb - they can tell that the rich guys are the ones who get kavod. Not those who live torah, torah, torah.

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  24. Mr xxxx we dont care how much money yeshiva made there are certain things you just DONT DO and this was one of them there are lots of ways to make money but you gottta have your limits bmg is officialy a yeshiva promoting torah and yiras shomayim by the staff doing such an event just says we dont really care about torah and yiras shomayim we just need money. I beleive all those people you mentioned that were waisting their time discussing your prikas oil party are actually talmidim of the yeshiva and are just being moiche where a macho had to be made

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  25. This event in the 9 days is nothing new. For the last few years they made a similar event in Mahattan for the board of governers. With a siyum too! It's a practical time when no one is away or busy. Only difference is they kept it private.

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  26. If you do the wrong thing often , I.e. make meat fest parties during the nine days.. Does it become right ??

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  27. I see in the comments above the real spirit of the 9 days, who is invited & who isn't. Sounds familiar to Kamtza & Bar Kamtza. It rings a bell, yes the Gedolei Hador were there & were not moiche. Remember the end of the Gemorah kamo Gedolah kocho shel busha. how great is the power of shame etc.
    I guess that is very appropriate.
    I hope & pray that we won't be asking or saying Kina lomo Chorvo Lakewood. Why was Lakewood destroyed? or could we already lament why was Lakewood destroyed?
    It is sad that we make parties for some & others are not welcome in the 9 days.
    What was the seudah of Kamtza & Barkamtza if the Chachmei Hador attended? Could they have been duped into attending a parlor meeting equivalent in those days?
    I guess ain odom zochech lishtei shulcahanos, it is either money or Torah. The same goes for institutions, as long as they are Torah & take support they are Torah, when they make Torah into a business, & then ...
    Well I must agree what do I know? Who am I an anonymous blogger to say, just thinking out loud.
    I guess if you want to see R' Nosson ZATZAL letters about restaurants go to Toras Aaron they are hanging. I think that is where we lost direction down the slippery slope.
    It is time to start new yeshivos & kehilos & save what we could or better to level out our differences & have ahavas chinom & bring Moshiach, who will guide us back home.

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  28. http://matzav.com/rav-malkiel-kotler-issues-strong-condemnation-of-orthodox-newspaper/

    Rav Malkiel Kotler Criticizes Orthodox Newspaper for Tribute Publication

    Rav Kotler then remarked, “Bederech agav, or perhaps not bederech agav, I feel I must mention that one of the newspapers, one of the frum newspapers, released a special publication about a certain person, an adam choshuv by the way, who founded the ‘dovor behifucho’ of Torah lishmah, the dovor behifucho that was established for heimishe Yidden and bnei Torah to go there in another place and make it kosher. And an entire publication [about this person was published] and if it is read by them is one thing, but it is being read by [those in our community] too. It is presented as if it is a holy thing and a choshuveh thing. Surely one who has hashkofas haTorah…one who is lacking the hashkofas haTorah can surely be unsure what will dictate his life, what is the derech yeilchu boh, what will direct his life, if his life will be led by other things, by college…or if his life will be fully enveloped and dictated by Torah…”

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