Friday, June 16, 2017

News Silence About Giyus Asifa in NY

Did you know close to 20,000 Yidden gathered at a sports arena in Brooklyn this week. They cane to the Barclays center and listened to Admorim and Gedolim talk about the Giyus threat in Eretz Hakodesh currently facing Yeshiva Bochurim. 
The Asifa was organized by Satmar yet some Litvishe Roshei yeshiva both from Eretz Yisrael and the US felt it was important to come down and address the crowd. The national and international media covered and reported the event. But, you wouldn't know it took place if you get your news from the mainstream frum media outlets. There was no coverage from the Daily newspapers such as Hamodia or Yated N'eeman. The websites that provide kosher news were silent too. They report on every stupidity and even some questionable content but on the Giyus gathering not a word not even a photo!
Was there a news blackout?

Understandably there are some disagreements on this issue, are these editors trying to be impartial by staying away or partial by covering up and not reporting? One can make the argument that this issue should be dealt with in Eretz Yisrael and not in the USA. Ignoring the fact that it took place shows an agenda rather than reporting news.
It would be interesting to know the true motives behind these decisions. 

B.H


34 comments:

  1. Reporting that there were 20,000 people when in fact there were fewer than 15,000 shows its own bias. As does ignoring the fact that one of the key speakers was shown to be completely lying....

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    1. 29,000 watched it live, if one of the speakers made up a story is not an excuse.
      What about the fact that Rav Aaron Shechter shlita spoke or Rav Aaron Feldman shlita does that not deserve any report?

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    2. By aligning yourself with the faction that is openly Chutzpahdik to the recognized, by all Frum Jews, Gadol Hador, you deserve no reporting.

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    3. Numbers are hard to estimate it was a full house, whatever the number. - as to inaccurate info being spoken, you have to keep up with the latest, that every word was true (the names of the individuals were changed to protect their privacy)

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    4. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 18, 2017 at 10:20 PM

      Funny how the only coverage of the siyum hashas that Satmar periodicals ran was derogatory
      You don't seem to understand the ingrrisher mindset
      We have already shown how Rav Elya took the Yerushalmi faction to task and kept them sidelined they just incubated for a few years so as not to appear opportunistic much like the pro eiruv Rabunim in BP did not with Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach whom they knew would sign to uphold Rav Moshes issue so they waited him out
      I for one would not want to align myself with any of them

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    5. The Giyus issue has nothing to do with Satmar. 3 members of the moetzes gedolei hatorah of the American Agudah have put themselves on this issue and are fully involved.
      Its a poor attempt for you to spin it that everyone is now following the stamar shita. It has absolutely nothing to do with the giyus issue.

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    6. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 19, 2017 at 6:46 AM

      It is an anti R Elya faction the fact that they were quiet for 20 yrs shows that they could not handle strong local opposition on these shores
      They r no diff than the eiruv rabbanim in BP
      They want to show that they are the new sheriffs
      They might be the newest sheriffs but not in my town

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  2. I strongly feel it should have been reported. But I understand the uncomfortable position the media is in. It is very hard to report something that you are haskaficly against but don't want to explicitly say so. Therefore ignoring it is the easiest way.

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  3. Let's have a Shidduchim Asifa first. Then when we figure out how to deal with the current crisis, can we talk about Giyus.

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  4. Never believe everything you read applies to all news outlets.
    "Frum" websites are less trustworthy than the National Enquirer.
    If you know the owners you know exactly what I'm talking about...

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  5. It is definitely news. Perhaps we can be hopeful that the only reason it was ignored was as a last-ditch effort to bring the machlokes to the USA.

    It would take someone very talented to present the news in a manner that did not either impugn the gedolei EY who were against the asifa or disparage the organizers as having made an asifa whose purpose was to make a machaa against RAL Shteinman, R' Chaim kanievsky etc.

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  6. Why would anyone report on it, would Satmar report on rav shachs rallies for degel ha Torah? No, it is a shitah that they don't affiliate with and hold it is wrong, even though they might agree that Rav Shach is a godol. Likewise, the mainstream yeshivishe velt doesn't agree to this Satmar- few Rosh Yeshivos shita, they hold its wrong...why does it deserve coverage?

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  7. The frum media never reports about satamr., and definitely not about this asifa which was organized for political reasons. Its pure lashon hara.

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  8. As for the frum websites they are a joke and an embarresment to even call "frum" Yeshiva world news has nothing to do with the Yeshiva world. If anything its mor aligned with yeshiva University hashkafos and fulll of LH in the coffe room and comments section.
    Matzav is not far behind with silly news reports trying to be yeshivish and with it and Modern all at the same time.

    Hamodia is Gur chasidim and wont report on anyone outside their own camp
    Yated is Philly and Rav Shmuel opposes any public gatherings. additionally the American Yated is somewhat associated with the Israeli one so now it all makes sense.
    You also have to factor in the main reason which is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ how much money is at stake if they start taking sides here.

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  9. Bottom line is you can't call yourselves frum news if you don't report it. You can frame it any way you want and you can even explain why it wasn't larger but not reporting it makes u look ridiculous.

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  10. There is a legitimate disagreement on the Giyus issue. It has nothing to do with Satmar. Satmer happend to be the one that arranged this Asifa. Even if you disagree it's still news worthy especially considering everything else the fake news frum media outlets report on.
    Everyone knows about the disagreement. Most litvishe Roshay Yeshivos agree the the draft law is a problem as we saw in the letters recently. It could have been reported respectfully.

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  11. Barclays scanned every single ticket. The total was less then 14,100. This was including many children. I believe someone at the event said we have "Rivavos Alphei Yisroel pshuto k'Mashmoi" that was a untruth since that refers to 22,000 people so they are about 8k short.There was no meaningful presence other then one faction of Satmar. It seems like this website is just pro anything anti establishment. Hard to take seriously anything written here.

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  12. I used to believe in this site until I saw that this is also biased by not posting any comments against the Asifa.

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  13. Seems like you don't post comments that don't fit your AGENDA

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  14. The Whole Satmar Shitah May need a Revamp as the Tziyonim they fight against do Not Really exist they just want to be Frei and enjoy life.

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  15. one of the speakers made up entire stories out of wholecloth and even made up that he is a rosh yeshiva. the only reason to report on this nonsense would be to say how ridiculous it is.

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  16. The 2012 siyum hashas at metlife had a total of 72,000 scanned people, yet all media reported 90k and no one questioned it.
    Why? because it was in everyone's interest that it be 90k
    for some reason here everyone is looking to minimize the numbers. Hypocrisy!

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  17. BREAKING NEWS: An unkown percentage of one satmar faction gathered to take advantage of the current tumolt in Israel to promote their shitta - which has been rejected by the gedolim for decades.

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    1. The Giyus threat has nothing to do with Satmar, they happen to have made an asifa about it but there are lots of litvishe RY who are behind it. Stop your spins. its hard for you we know you thought the terror tactics will scare the gedolim away and you can continue to fool the American Torah world while you take hush money from the Israeli Government.

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  18. Don't ruin your stated purpose by Waddling into the cesspool of Israeli politics. Stick to local issues. Btw I believe the circus and lipa and schwecky concert had similar or greater turnouts. This was NOT a cross section of Klal Yisroel. It was simply one Rebbe forcing all members to go. The majority who went probably don't even care for the cause. The numbers don't mean a hill of beans. Annual Chaf aleph kislev event probably has same numbers.

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    1. "cesspool of Israeli politics"
      You obviously are on the other side of this issue, But Rav Aaron Shechter, Rav Aaron Feldman even Rav Ekya Ber Wachtfogel, Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Yisrael Kalmanowitz, Rav Yaakov Meir Shechter, dont think this is a "cesspool". Rav Dovid Soleveitchik dosent think its a cesspool either.

      You can make fun and keep your head in he sand or even disagree and take sides with bnei Brak but dont besmirch and disregard Gedolei Yisrael who are light years ahead of you from your blogging in the cesspool of the internet.

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    2. very cute for hapeles chevrah to try to play the "daas torah" card.

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  19. If it was only a Satmar event why did askanim go to great lengths to stop it?

    Why Did R' Aaron Kotler feel it was important to go live on the Zev Brenner show and distance the Lakewood Yeshiva from it?

    Why was there panic in Bnei Brak as they tried thwarting litvish Roshei yeshiva from going?

    The American frum media showed it's true colors. They are just as bias as the mainstream media and do not report news. They have an agenda and are beholden to whomever lines their pockets.


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    1. hefkervelt doesn't allow comments that were against the asifa. So both sides are biased. Its ironic how upset you are at the other side.

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  20. Cesspool comment was in reference to the hysteria of the masses not the opinions of gedolim.

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    1. You can't differentiate here. The masses were adhering to their leaders. If anything the hysteria was created by those who wanted to stop it and cover up.

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  21. "NBC News has stood firm on airing the Jones interview, despite the blowback. Executives have said Jones’ large following and political influence make him newsworthy no matter how despicable his views may be. Kelly addressed the controversy at the top of the program."

    Same should apply to the Satmar asifa. Yated should have reported it.

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  22. I hear Bnay Braq is freaking out that Teb Ahron Feldman is against the Draft law and sent a letter to the asifa. They are calling Ner Yisroel Yeshiva non stop atacking the hanhala there threatening they will pull out letters from Teb Chaim. Typical Bnay Braq terror against anyone that disagrees with them.

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    1. Hapeles did the same against anyone who refused to advertise with them. That's why they got arrested.

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