Tuesday, June 20, 2017

Many Girls Still Not Accepted to High School As Camp Begins

School is over and the fun of camp begins but there are still many 8th grade girls who still have not been accepted into high school as of today. Among those still waiting are valedictorians straight A students and average students. No rhyme or reason that explains it.  When will this madness end?
Why do girls and their parents have to live with this worry throughout the summer? 

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  1. school as you behave at homeJune 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM

    Maybe they should apply to the right schools so that they can have this settled before the summer.
    There is no reason to try to get into a school that does not fit the student or parent body.
    Good marks have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

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    1. Very insensitive of you to assume that they are applying to the wrong schools. There are many girls who would fit right in to Bais Yaakov, Oros, or any of the other many fine outstanding schools. These schools though have a limit of how many girls they can take in, and they have their own hierarchical set of priorities on who gets accepted. There always seems to be room for 1 or 2 girls in every one of these schools, and that is why these families will wait it out and push to try to get their daughters into these schools. It appears that this year, there is even a greater problem, as the number of girls who are still waiting to get into a school are far greater than any of the schools can possibly take in.

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  2. I heard theres quite a few more classes of graduating 8th graders then in the past and theres no new schools, therefore theres a big lack of space. Seems like girls high schools arent money makers nobody is running to open new ones.

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  3. Maybe you should get your facts straight. I know several parents that have eighth graders. There is a tremendous shortage of space for high schools. With normal class sizes there are probably 150 seats missing. All the schools have agreed to take extra kids. All the kids that have issues and need help , that nobody wants ,have been placed by the schools voluntarily taking a few per school. There are still a number of students who have been accepted by 1 or 2 of the newer schools that still have a little room. Some of these parents only want to get in to the older schools that have hundreds of siblings and have absolutely no space. Why should some schools be forced to have class sizes of 45 to accommodate students that have been accepted to schools with class sizes of 25. The only madness I see is you allowing yourself to be fooled by this hype. I guess the headline sounds better than saying parents don't want to go to schools that accepted them.

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  4. HV, Do you know if the girls that are not in a school were not accepted into ANY SCHOOL? Or not to the school of their choice? Asking as an honest question.

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    1. I just spoke to a reliable source. He doesn't know about every single child,but got sure most were accepted to at least one or possibly 2 schools. With 850 slots for 1000 girls ,its pretty hard to tell parents that they have a right to be stubborn and picky. They certainly have the right to try their best to get into what they feel is the best school for their child ,but its obvious that those schools are full ,then they have to accept what is available or band together to create a new school to their liking.

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  5. How can we unite the town and make sure no one goes to school until all accepted?

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  6. Same thing every year. There are always about 20 or 30 parents who want to go to the fuller schools and will kill their daughters in the process. In reality out of more than a thousand eight graders its only 2 or 3 per cent that act that way. But these parents give the system a bad name.

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  7. no big news.....just the annual shefichas damim that occurs in our town of Torah. Apparently the message of the Torah of "darchei noam" doesn't apply to dealing with yiddishe nafashos and schools.

    BTW, my children got into (so called) elite schools and so this is not a bitter rant. It's someone who just cannot believe what occurs year after year.

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  8. Maran Rav Shtainman:
    "Es is altz gaiva gaiva gaiva".

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  9. If a girl was placed in a school by a vaad of baalei batim with no chinuch experience it is not considered that she's accepted at all. Unless rabbomim and mechanic him look out for the students personal needs, just matching them up with an empty desk doesn't count.

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    1. Right. So You have done nothing to help make a school ,yet you feel that you have the right To tell schools that they have to put 45 kids in a class because they don't want to go to the school that has room for them. Just fir your information ,all the schools in Lakewood are good frum schools and nobody has a right to say that school A is not good enough for my child and I need school B even if it means making the classes so huge. If school A is not acceptable then the kehila or the bloggers should take out the money and make nore schools.

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  10. If all girls were placed let the vaad place an ad saying so as they have done do in the past.

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  11. Why should they have to place an ad. They also have feelings for those patents whose children are still not enrolled ,even if its because they won't accept the school that has room for them. We all feel bad for those parents ,but that doesn't mean there is anything that can be done ,except to take out more millions and build buildings and hire staff and make another 2 schools. But even then ,many parents won't go because they don't want new schools. So its a no win situation. Even making more schools doesn't help because there will always he at least 5 per cent who won't accept a new school. 5 per cent is not a large number but its still 50 kids and growing every year.

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    1. Elementary schools should make high schools like Bais Tova and Bnos Melech did...This way you know there is a high school attached to a good elementary school and parents have a place and are willing to send there!

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  12. There seems to be two camps to the commenters. The "acceptance" group, and the "space" group.
    The way I see it is that both are correct. Some girls really aren't accepted because of "issues", whether they are the schools', the parent's, or the girl's. But the other tzad of no space is critical. If the numbers in the comments here are correct, 850 spots for over 1,000 girls is a HUGE problem.

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  13. The headline is really misleading. While I feel sorry for those who cannot go to a school,is their choice, it's really Many parents not happy with the schools their daughter was accepted to.

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  14. I heard certain elementary schools have alot of girls that didnt get in to high school because the high schools all want to have a good name and arent taking girls from these schools. Why dont they base each girl on their own family rather then the overall name of a school?

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    1. What is wrong with wanting to have a good name. Any school that didn't care about that ,ended up not getting any applicants. So its not the school caring about a good name. It is the parents who won't touch a school that doesn't have a good name. So what do you expect from the school, to commit suicide and close up ?

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    2. Sweet potato tempuraJune 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM

      Here is what's wrong. The job of a school is to EDUCATE. If you want to have a good school, don't worry about your 9th graders, let's see what your 12th graders look like. It's the job of the school to educate and form the students in to good people, it's not the job of the girls to make the school look good.

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    3. That is true in a perfect world. But if by taking problem girls in 9th grade you will have no applicants for the next year ,then you can't expect the school to be. So leshem shomayim to close their school down. 2 people tried to do that in the past and were closed down because parents refused to go there the next year. So educate the parents ,not the schools.

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  15. Don't believe everything you hear. Those schools where the principals convinced the parents to be realistic and even go to new schools ,have very few unplaced girls.

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  16. How about Ateres Tzipora girls elementary school that's on the verge of closure and 200 kids won't have a school for next year.

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    1. Rabbi G has it under control

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    2. I heard it's not closing.

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  17. The School Vaad IS part of the problem . vhamaiven Yaven ..

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  18. Can someone go on the record any big askan can do it and say it with a straight face that each and every girls has been accepted to a High school?

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    1. Why don't you go over to the parents that you know that are not in school and ask them to tell you honestly if there are any schools that would accept them ,but they are not willing to go.

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    2. What is the point of making new schools if parents won't send their kids there and they only want the older full schools. Why waste Yidishe gelt making new schools that will struggle to get applicants. What is the point ?

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  19. Lots of red herrings here.
    The 'policy' that Yeshiva leit are steered to new schools is absolutely horrendous. Why should a father who's learning be held against them?
    There is a real difference where you send. When a parent is stubborn, they are looking out for their child's interests, they are not trying to hurt anyone.
    Those who open schools are businessmen like anyone else. They are nit nore altruistic or better mechanchim. Society should hold them to the fire and demand לשם שמים behavior, if not intentions.

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  20. You make absolutely no sense. What kind of policy are you talking about. Did you take a census and see that its only yeshaveleit that are being steered to new schools ? You are saying that non yeshavrleit get into old schools more than yeshavrleit. Where did you get that information from ? Do you suggest that every body has the right to get into the old schools ? I heard that every year there are about 150 mire eighth graders needing a high school. How do you suggest the old schools accommodate them especially when the old schools are basically full with siblings ? If you feel private people should not b e opening schools and therefore having the say about their school ,why don't you or others open a community school so we won't need private people to,open schools. ?

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    1. Simple. Because if the commenter would open up a community school ,he would have to work hard and raise millions of dollars. Its a lot easier to comment on blogs and complain about others who actually do something , than it is to work and raise big money. So the commenter will keep blogging and the doers will keep opening schools so our children have where to learn. And the commenter will keep calling them names from the safety of his computer screen. That is life.

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    2. A Vaad member confirmed to me that the policy is to steer yeshivaleit to new schools,because that way those schools will be more successful.

      If you need a school, don't rely on the askanim. They want law and order, not your benefit. I am talking from experience

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    3. That is correct. They SHOULD steer quality girls from quality families to new schools to help the new schools get established. Or else it will be a "galgal hachoizer" of someone opening up a high school- getting only girls who are hurt from all the rejection and now have issues with confidence (very true)- getting a name of a "shvache" school with "shvache" girls- to not being able to stay open because no one wants to go there- closing down (that happened already)- now short ANOTHER 25 9th grade seats- needing more schools- around and around and around. This is what's going to happen again and again.

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    4. The root of he problem is the shortage of seats in 9th grade. We NEED more quality high schools!!!

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    5. So anonymous 12:03, you think that a parent should choose a school according to the public's needs? Or that parents shouldn't decide on their children's schools?

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    6. You CAN go to a new school which will be great for your child's needs!! At times, parents are blinded with the need to "keep up with the flow", so they want to just send their daughter to the "top" high school without looking at other options. If the best teacher from the "top" school would leave and open up a new high school, together with 100% backing AND HELP from the existing roshei mosdos (not just for year one, until year 5-6, when they are established and have a great track record) this would help tremendously. We NEED to add schools!!! Not just pushing more girls into already overfull classes.

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  21. Many yungerleit with no money or clout were forced to send to the new schools or alternate schools only for their daughters to go iff the derech by bad influences
    Uch

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    1. This is off base. What I heard is the opposite that non yeshivaleit complain that the schools want the yeshivaleit. There are some schools even offering free tuition to get yeshivaleit. So for you to spin it that yeshivaleit have a hard time getting in ,is pretty funny when if anything the opposite is true.

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    2. This is the most absurd comment i have ever heard!

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  22. If you say that the new schools are so bad that by going there girls go off the derrch ,then we better close all those bad schools down immediately.

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  23. I think its pretty ridiculous to say that by going to a new school ,somebody will he influenced to go,off the detect. Pretty wild sounding to me.

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  24. I know several yungeleit with zero money or clout. The schools were competing to accept their daughters. So what you are saying is hogwash. The schools are all chalishing for frum girls from mishpachos of Beni Torah and money or clout has no bearing.

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  25. Its amazing. There are a small number if people that just do. They raise money ,spend their money ,build buildings hire teachers etc so that 30,000 kids should have schools. They get called all kinds of names by people who do nothing other than complain and feel entitled that others should do for them. I am not a doer but I am indebted and grateful to those who made my children's schools. If we would rely on the complainers then we would have a lot of blog posts ,but our kids would sit home without a school. I don't feel entitled to anything. Nobody has to,make my child a school. Shiver does it gets my thanks.

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    1. I second this motion!!

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  26. You obviously got your kids into school ... So you don't care about other people's pain

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  27. I care very much. First of all where does having hakoras hatov to the people who make our schools come across as not caring about others. Why do people feel the need to insult those that do for us ,because we are growing so fast that there is not enough place. Why is this growth the fault of those that do at least something while most of us don't do anything.
    Second of all ,I did not always get my kids into the schools of my choice. But after my hishtadlus I accepted the choices available to me without calling the people who couldn't take my kids all kinds of names.

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  28. Girls High schools are a profitable business. But only a prestigious one. A non- prestigious one is a terrible business. Naturally therefore our girls high schools care much about their prestige. And much of our ills result from this. Similar situation with our Mesivtas.

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  30. Im so sure that if you had a mesivta with good bochrim who are frum and well behaved and masmidim and learn well , and you had many applicants of good bochrim ,that you would bedavke take Shvache bochurim who don't have patience to learn and who have attitudes and who don't behave etc etc. You are so leshem shomayim that you would ask all the good applicants to go to the other mesivtas so that you can work with only the real Shvache bochrim and so that next year only the weak boys will apply. After all you are an anonymous blogger ,you must really mean kilo Leshem shomayim. After all you bedavka don't want a sought after mesivta because all our ills come from that.

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    1. If your point is that the roshei mosdos are doing what makes sense for them. Fair point, but not in disagreement with anything above.

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