Monday, April 3, 2017

TBL- Petition on shopping mall

TBL-We have obtained the petition that was signed by over 1,200 people opposed to the Lakewood Shopping Village - set to be heard at the Planning Board Tuesday night at 6:00. It was signed by many chashuvim including Rabbanim, Ziknei Haposkim, Roshei Chabura and Yungerleit and the efforts were strongly supported by the Rosh Yeshiva Take Back Lakewood.

26 comments:

  1. So about 85 to 90 per cent of the yungeleit did not sign. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

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    1. 1200 of 6000 is 20% but this is mainly yungeleit who are in yeshiva for 10 years. And you can't mach avec Reb Yeruchem and reb Yuda Jacobs Or Reb Moishe Shimon.

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    2. Not counted the silent majority who are scared to sign for fear of losing the koil check.

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  2. Did the other 80 percent sign pro the mall?

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  3. Let's see if they can counter with a petition of 5000 youngeleit who support the shopping mall.

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  4. Many yungerlite didnt sign cus they are scared they will loose their kolel checks (and other bad things might happen to them).
    As someone who is in Yeshiva I can tell you the vast majority is strongly opposed sadly may are scared ...

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  5. Wow. So from now on if you get a petition against something ,you can assume that anybody who does not sign a petition pro is really on your side. Amazing. Maybe most people just don't want to get involved in machlokes and sinas chinom.

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    1. "Maybe most people just don't want to get involved in machlokes and sinas chinom." Your such a tzadik! your probably not involved and dont have an opinion and your here blogging about this cus your not against anyone!!! Precious...

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  6. Most people feel that even if you don't agree with it ,its not worth the machlokes and chilul Hashem to fight it publicly. Many people did not necessarily agree with the whole cedarbridge thing 20 years ago,but only 1 or 2 people wanted to sue and fight. There is a difference between not being in favor and making a huge public fight. Each to his own. Its a free country.

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    1. Stop the spin. The chilul hashem is not those who are sticking up for kedusha and want the best for their children It's the ones that are ramming this monstrosity down our throats that are the problem.

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    2. This is the typical vaad propaganda call anyone who opposes you as causing machlokes and blame the websites for your own actions.

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    3. Going public you mean to the NY post...

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    4. right, everyone's making a chilul hashem when they call out slimy crooked money hungry players that ride on their persoanl custom daas torah all in the name of kavod shamayim of course

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    5. סאוואראנערApril 4, 2017 at 4:11 AM

      I also can't swallow the concept of a for profit Yeshiva, but stop with the Kedusha slogans. This obsession with shmutz is unbecoming.

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  7. Typical left wing bloggers. Anybody that does not agree with you gets called names. Such as Vaad propaganda or troll etc. You can't fathom that there is anybody in the world that might have a different opinion. Only your opinion is valid.

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  8. What's the chiddush? It isn't a secret that the overwhelming majority of the towns residents oppose this project. Though their main reason would definitely be the unbearable traffic.

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  9. Most probably didn't sign bec they had no idea it existed. I'm reading about it here/now for the first time

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  10. so we reached a point where Balei Batim need to protests against a Yeshiva not to bring extra Gashmios to town

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  11. Shame on those that sign
    You bite the hand that feeds you?
    A chutzpah noirah meod
    They should lose their Kollel checks
    What are u protesting? The movie theater?
    Get real people
    Yeshivas doong something good for the continuity of Tourah and people protest? If you want peace and quiet , move to Jackson

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    1. Shame on you Dave for speaking against thousands of yishivalite who sit and learn bemisirus nefesh!
      Its sick to hear Balabatem curse out benei torah and be mocha for kavod hatorah WHENEVER IT HURTS THEIR POCKET!
      Kavod hatorah is not a business Dave!

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  12. I saw the petition plenty of times and elected not to sign as many thousand others.... I don't think I would sign a pro petition only because Of the traffic... well maybe now with all the hate against my Yeshiva I may sign...Why when BMG made concessions on the plan No food court no amphitheater etc.. is it still being brought up as they're intent is for gashmiyus etc.. If someone were to build next door to you and made concessions on the plan do you still oppose the plan based on the original ill intentions? At this point it's going to just be a large shopping center with stores and restaurants and a PARK! do we not have those all throughout Lakewood? Yes I understand that Yeshiva should only be promoting ruchniyus but is this project really destroying are Kedusha that you can justify having BMG lose out on millions of dollars for years to come when there are stores and restaurants all throughout Lakewood just so BMG didn't create a shopping center? OK so it's a matzav where you will spend hours shopping and eating in one single place Never seen before...so your wife won't be running to one store and across town to the next and picking up food somewhere else etc.. I ask you is this really so bad in gashmiyus that it warrants an all out revolt against BMG? The fact that the petitions revert back to the original plans just shows there's little to oppose and in my opinion wrong and dishonest! And to bring up the blue claws well I remember people saying how terrible that was gonna be it's much worse than the little league it's a whole Matzav etc. kids are gonna go off the derech.. and what happened it is nothing more than a silly single A team...and no one went off the derech... also if you have traffic concerns please don't blame ruchniyus it's dishonest and a lie again I ask you a town that is already completely messed up with traffic, taxes, gashmiyus etc. do you take the achrayus of BMG losing out millions of dollars??

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    1. Haha thanks for the laugh but no one is stupid enough to fall for your arguments. Do you think you are smarter than Rav Elya Svei Zatzal who told the yeshiva 15 years ago not to be involved with Cedarbridge?
      Do you think you are smarter than The Roshei Yeshiva of BMG today who are opposed to the mall?
      You keep trying to frame the opposition to the mall as opposition against BMG. That argument wont fly the yungeleit in BMG are very proud of their yeshiva and the way of life they live. They have every right to speak up if they feel the administration or developers are pushing something that is anathema to their mehalech hachaim.
      This mall is NOT what they are promising it will be, to this day the developers refuse to sign on anything they verbally say. The very fact that they had no problem bringing a upscale mall here in the first place speaks volumes. And by the way frum families do attend Blue claws games FYI.
      Nice try though.

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  13. There is a major hashkafic disconnect between the administration Vs the Bnei Hayeshiva not so between the Hanhala and the Bnei Hayeshiva. The Administration is a financial fundraising arm with Hashkafos that are not in line and dont sit well with the Youngeleit. MOre so the Administration has other interests in promoting a brand name across the USA which has nothing to do with The mantra of the yeshiva which is Torah Lishma. The Roshei Yeshiva dont have a shlita over the administration.

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  14. Nonsense. The administration has nothing without Roshei Yeshivah. If they walked out ,the administration would he left with nothing. So if R Malkiel really feels against something ,it is in his hands to stop it. Obviously it does not bother him that much.

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    1. Rav Yeruchom Olson strongly opposed the mall as did Rav Dovid and Rav Yisrael.

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  15. "So if R Malkiel really feels against something ,it is in his hands to stop it. Obviously it does not bother him that much. "

    Obviously the one who makes the decisions and wears the pants in BMG is the CEO. The yeshivishe oilam has criticized YU for years that its yeshiva is run by a board and not by Roshei Yeshiva. It looks like BMG is the same - a yeshiva that's run by a balebus.

    Sad that the Bnei Torah have to teach the hanhala about torah values.
    Tragic even.

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