Wednesday, April 5, 2017

TBL-Clarification regarding petition

TBL- We are in touch with the editors of NJ 101.5, Shore News and APP and they appear willing to remove their articles with a clarification based on new information that we've come to learn.

Article-The previous post regarding the petition has been removed as portions of it were in error and require clarification. We've pulled the article from our site and we've asked others to do the same as there was some confusion and the resulting online discussion that ensued was based on these misunderstandings.

We had obtained the pictures of the 1,200 signatures and the letter with a write up against the shopping center. We assumed that they were one and the same and posted them together believing that the petition and the write up went hand in hand. We then heard from multiple sources that that was not the case so we pulled the article while clarifying.




We have now spoken with the organizer of the petition who clarified to us that the petition had 2 simple lines on it - as written on the text of the petition page - it reads (in a mixture of hebrew and english) : 'We are requesting from Cedarbridge Corporation to withdraw from their involvement in making a shopping center in our town'.

The intention of the organizers of the petition related to the fact that the Yeshiva (BMG) was founded upon and espouses certain values. Those values include living a life of austerity and shunning materialism in the pursuit of living a life dedicated to the service of God. Many in the yeshiva community choose not to eat out in restaurants (yes even kosher ones) choose not to indulge in nice cars or name brand clothing and instead dedicate their time and efforts in the service of God. Most do not have a TV in their home and many do not have internet. Some don't even own a cell phone. They are entitled to choose to live their lives in that way the same way America allows individuals to choose how to live their lives. While they would not tell others how to live their lives and indeed many many people in Lakewood do live a more luxurious lifestyle with nice houses, cars and nice strip malls, they felt that it was unbecoming of BMG to tarnish it's name by suddenly changing gears and promoting materialism since in this case, BMG/Cedarbridge was the applicant and developer. If a private developer were to apply for a mall that they would not object. The reality is that private developers have been building stores all over Lakewood and the BMG students have not objected to that. Their concern related to what they felt was a weakening of the yeshiva's values and a lack of practicing what they preach in regard to materialism.

Separate from that petition and it's 1,200 signatures and 2 line slogan, someone typed up bullet points and a letter raising points of objection to the shopping center.

What is crucial to point out is that the 1,200 signatures were not signing on that letter - they were signing on a 2 line slogan based on the reasons I presented above. Therefore, drawing any conclusions that the 1,200 signatures agreed to the lengthier letter was simply an error.

Furthermore, the intent of the letter which was written by an individual,  was not to say that non Jewish stores should not be allowed in Lakewood. When BMG was initially accused of promoting materialism through a shopping center that would be built in the middle of a predominantly jewish area, some of the concerns related to the fact that there would surely be tenants who served non kosher food, draw traffic to the area on Sabbath when most stores in the area are generally closed, and possibly have stores like Victoria Secret etc which would display pictures of scantily clad women that would generally not be preferred by the ultra orthodox. Again, the primary objection related to the fact that BMG was the developer. It would be analogous to a Catholic Church building an abortion clinic.

BMG responded that they understand the neighborhoods concerns and they pledged to have a restriction that any stores that lease must be closed on Sabbath. They are a private developer and are allowed to place any such reasonable restriction that they want on tenants. They could say that all stores must close at 9:00. This restriction was to pacify area residents that they will not be attracting traffic on Sabbath.

The writers of this letter were going on to say that they still object to the shopping center. Again, the primary issue is that BMG is building a shopping center at all. Also, the letter went on to disagree with the BMG response by saying that it was insufficient. There could still be non kosher stores and Victoria Secrets etc. Again - they would not have objected if the developer was anyone other than BMG who they felt should adhere to standards in line with the lifestyle that they encourage.

No one in Lakewood is trying to deny business opportunities for gentiles. Some websites alleged that this is an attempt to prevent non jews from owning businesses. Others questioned why the petition doesn't mention traffic. This shopping center was already highly contested by many due to the traffic. Many had already been objecting from the traffic stand point for several months.The shopping center had already been redrawn with considerable changes after an outcry regarding the traffic. It was pegged to be a very large shopping center in the middle of a residential neighborhood with questionable zoning.

The reiterate, the objection was not to having stores in Lakewood and certainly not to having stores owned by gentiles, this petition was simply adding an element related to the spiritual dichotomy of BMG engaging in the pursuit of materialism.

26 comments:

  1. There is no excuse for this mall-it is against all the principals in lakewood and any true ben torah doesn't or shouldn't want it-Sorry that Aaron works so crazy hard and deals with such pressure-presenting these details as factors in allowing such an 'anti lakewood' idea to go forward is embarrassing-there are ugly ways to make money, they should not be our ways-remember your forefathers who paid to have a pizza shop removed so that we should not put a stumbling block in front of our lakewood community-are we no longer the BMG town? Is that what we are selling to support BMG- I say NO NO NO - don't close your eyes and don't relinquish the reins of this great place to finance and luxuries and ski trips and political hosting of nevalim-do we have to back off and politely say we wouldn't object to another developer opening a huge mall in our backyard - we objected to drug rehab houses, as do normal neighborhoods, not only 'the MOST HOLY neighborhood in the USA-just shows a pussyfooting around the issue to accomodate the politically correct insanity that is ruining our country with its deeply ingrained morals that are just getting looser and looser to our terrible detriment. Let us stay strong and FIGHT THIS !

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    1. Harold HerskowitzApril 5, 2017 at 9:36 PM

      It is illegal to oppose a drug rehab house in any neighborhood.

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  2. Echod soggeg v'eched mazid b'mokom chilul hashem

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  3. If all u can say is that its anti yeshivish to open a mall, how will this argument hold up in court. Its all heresay and its opinions of whether its in the spirit of a yeshiva to open a mall. Ots certainly legal for any religion or non religion to open a mall. You gotta have a better plan if u want to fight this out.

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  4. Tlb. You have been complicit,in a chilul Hashem. No excuses or explanations will fix that.

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    1. What does it mean to be complicit...

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  5. Thr chillul hashem started yearz before TBL was created. Nice try though. Try again next time

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  7. Kudos to the PetitionApril 5, 2017 at 12:42 PM

    A big yasher koach to the organizers of the petition for handling the situation in a careful and responsible manner. (That the letter was unfortunately and erroneously included with the petition online is another matter.)
    The yungeleit who organized the petition made many attempts to speak with the administration first and have them pull the application but to no avail.
    The petition was a last resort because higiu mayim ad nefesh.

    Yasher Koach to all involved in standing up for Torah values!

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    1. Amen. Very well said

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    2. I second that. They did the work for the rest of us. They did the work for the rest of us. R AHron (the real one) is thanking them.

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  8. bunch of haters beating up on TBL shifting the blame. There were 4 hate articles on lakewood this past week no one said a word all of a sudden you wake up in order to bash TBL.
    #Hypocrites

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    1. it's okay to admit he made a very big misstake. even he admits it himself.
      he doesn't need you to be his apologist.

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  9. After this massive chilull has hem mall
    Wow what a nice kiddush tbl to reach out to the goyim and clairfy the issue. Kudos to a mentch in our midst. What's your name? I want to call you and give you a shcoach

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    1. While your at it give a groise skoyach to all our great committeemen who every day work so hard to create a massive kiddush Hashems with their selfless actions to benefit our great city

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    2. Anonymous 9:01 PM,

      You're joking, right?

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  10. Harold HerskowitzApril 5, 2017 at 9:33 PM

    Take Back Lakewood could not have done a better job at fixing an awful situation. After the dust settles, the end result is that they were an integral part in stopping an awful plan that would have crippled Lakewood more than it is already. Anyone that wants to blame someone for the chillul hashem that was caused should go back 20 years to when it all started. We all know who is to blame. Now we need to make sure that once and for all we put a stop to all that has been going on since 1995. We need to do what is best for everyone, and ignore those that care only about themselves.
    Revolution 2.0 has begun, stay tuned
    Sharaby
    Travis
    Gruman
    June 6th

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  11. People are failing to to take notice of these landmark events.

    This fiasco is only one tiny glimpse of the big picture.

    This story is so much bigger than a mall, a petition, a radio station and a Town Hall meeting.

    This is, perhaps, the most significant event for BMG over the past several decades.

    For the first time ever, the Yeshiva lost an important public battle.

    This was a referendum on the overwhelming control and power that BMG has exerted on this community. And the people voted NO!

    There is finally a large enough contingent in this city that can look at issues clearly and objectively without being blinded by the Kollel stipends which they are receiving from BMG.

    BMG was, up until now, able to control the masses because the majority of families in this City are affiliated with the Yeshiva.

    But they miscalculated here. They pushed a bit too hard with this ambitions development, and even some of their own turned on them. And that, in turn, gave their opponents the majority.

    But that tells us that when just a few people abandon Yeshiva, they lose their majority.

    The tables have been slowly turning. And pretty soon the people of Lakewood will not need some of Yeshiva's people to be the majority.

    With hundreds of new families moving in each year, Lakewood is growing and the BMG's influence is shrinking.

    The new crop of Lakewood people are not scared.....

    People come here from out-of-town and expect to see the beauty of Yiddishkeit in this self-proclaimed "Ihr HaTora". But instead, they are shocked to find an Ihr Hachareiva VeHabezuya, and a Yiddishkeit devoid of meaning. A Yiddishkeit that has lost focus on what being a Jew is all about. Morals, Middos and Mentchlichkeit have all gone out the window in this City. Garbage lines the streets, driving etiquette is ignored, and for those not dressed in black and white a pleasant smile

    Revolution 2.0 indeed...

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  12. Finally somebody who speaks the truth. This is an anti BMG war. Hate the Yeshiva

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    1. Harold HerskowitzApril 6, 2017 at 10:03 PM

      Anyone who makes the desire to improve this town and find solutions to problems, a part of their small minded, anti BMG movement is kindly asked to March alone. Nobody wants your hatred of BMG to get mixed together with our message of hope for a better future.
      Sharaby
      Gruman
      Travis
      Republican/ Democratic
      Primary June 6th 2017

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    2. Harold dear,

      There is a big difference between hatred of BMG and disappointment with BMG.

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    3. Mr Hershkowitsz,

      It is not BMG hate.

      Go see his full comment on TBL

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    4. Harold HerskowitzApril 9, 2017 at 5:59 PM

      I was not referring to tbl. I was referring to the one comment that said this is an Anti BMG war. Most of us only want what is best for the Yeshiva. I agree that being disappointed in some decisions being made is not the same as being anti BMG, but unfortunately there are a few people that like to cause fights and hatred, and they dilute the true message. BMG is an integral part of Lakewoood and can only prosper when Lakewood prospers as well.

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    5. Anto BMG war it is not, but a strong pushback it is.

      "Most of us only want what is best for the Yeshiva"
      ...Halevai the feelings were mutual

      "BMG is an integral part of Lakewoood and can only prosper when Lakewood prospers as well"
      ...Good propaganda talk - but lacking substance. I somehow doubt that you can back up either part of that statement.

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  13. Censoring comments?

    Deleting and redacting parts of comments and posting only part of them?

    HefkerVelt, have you been bought off as well?

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    1. They have not been bought off.

      They were owned from the beginging.

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