Thursday, March 9, 2017

A word about the traffic today in Lakewood

Guest post by HH.
Everyone is texting and messaging each other about the insane gridlock they are experiencing today in Lakewood.
It is certainly understandable that on a pre purim shopping day,that is also a fast day, especially before sabbath there will be traffic.
Last year the traffic was not nearly this bad. A few years before that it was non existent. I just want everyone to understand that the traffic they are experiencing today is what lakewood could be like every dayin the very near future if we don't start to manage our growth responsibly. In order to do that we need elected officials that understand what needs to be done.
Do you think the same people that have been in office all these years or those with the support of the VAAD will try to fix things? What is going to change now that they couldn't do before?

WE need to finally accomplish what should have been accomplished 7 years ago.
There will be many new people running in the upcoming primaries. Nothing is finalized as of yet as to who is running that will have the entire lakewood communities best interests at heart, but we need to realize that whomever may be running, we cannot vote for anybody that has been in office and sat back while our town fell apart. We cannot allow anyone that may listen to a few well connected people to manage the town for them at the expense of all the rest of us.
So right now before purim. Spread the word. Real changes are coming. Things will be returning to normal. The craziness of the past 12 years must stop.
This Purim let's remember that we need to
MAKE LAKEWOOD NORMAL AGAIN!
after purim of course

A Freilichen purim
Hershel Herskowitz

56 comments:

  1. The schools changed the system. All the students brought shlach minis to teachers today instead of on Purim. So that is what caused the traffic. Please have the facts available to you before you write.

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    1. Harold HerskowitzMarch 9, 2017 at 5:08 PM

      You obviously missed the point. I prefaced by saying that this insane traffic was understandable ,but it is a sign of what Lakewood will be in a few short years if we don't act now. And according to you, there should be minimal traffic tomorrow and Sunday. Let's see if you are right.
      A Freilichen purim

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    2. And the brush fires caused a lot of traffic. Try again...

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    3. traffic was not "non existant" a few years ago. there always was traffic on the 9, although of course it has gotten worse.
      also, a lot of the traffic in the afternoon was because of the fire.

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    4. I don't know, my kids have had the option of bringing Mishloach Manos on taanis Esther for as long as I can remember.

      There also used to only be traffic in route 9 only where it narrowed to one lane. Up to a few years ago, there was only traffic during a few points of the day. now there is traffic till 9pm

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  2. Y. S. was trying to nip it in the bud some 12+ years ago.

    We all were VAAD supporters (wolf in lambs clothing).

    We are enjoying the VAAD's "We got your back".

    Make Lakewood great again.

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  3. The bottom line is that the homes that have been developed aren't going anywhere. Nobody really cares if many houses are built all over the place. What we do care about is traffic. The only way to alleviate traffic is to attack the road problems. Route nine must be widened to four lanes. route 88 must be widened to four lanes Cross St must be widened to four lanes County line Road east of Route nine must be widened to four lanes that will solve most of the traffic issues. Also some turning a rose from Countyline Road and Kennedy Boulevard onto Route nine are needed in addition to other strategically placed traffic lights. It's not about development it's about traffic. So unless we can get people in the committee that could work with the state and widening our roads traffic Will never go away.

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    1. That will not solve the problems. Look at the side streets where there are 2 lanes, they are always backed up and in some cases it is impossible to turn onto route 9.

      What is Cross st. being a 4 lane road going to help, there is no streets of cross street to turn onto, they are all backed up

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    2. Buddy, the only people who physically can't make the connection between traffic and development is either in business with developers, a vaad member, or a committeeman. I think we should make it mandatory for commenters to provide their occupation. If you are making money from development, your vision is clouded; please don't comment. Thank You.

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  4. There are 2 sides to the story. In a town where everybody wants to live and work ,there will be traffic. On holidays and rush hour there will be bigger traffic. Who are you to tell new people when to live here or not. Who draws the line ? Now that you are here we can draw the line ? Its not do simple. If a town or city is very in demand ,then traffic is a result of that demand. There are always conflicting opinions between old timers and newcomers but its not as if your word us the final word just because you are a blogger.

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    1. This isn't about old residents vs new!! This about shutting off the water main (more building) when the pipe burst and is flooding the place (traffic)!! Everyone is indeed entitled to live here (for the right price there are plenty of houses to be bought), but it's absolutely insane to keep squeezing in more and more houses into the same area already crippled by lack of appropriate infrastructure (roads, etc).

      This argument of "we have a traffic issues, not a density issue" is plain silly. It only makes sense for those that stand to gain from more density (developers and their cohorts). For the rest of us, it defies logic!

      Sure, we should widen all those roads mentioned - we should do that regardless. Once done, we can take a look at whether traffic is under control (I'd guess that under the best case scenario it takes years), and if we actually do succeed in solving the traffic, then and only then can we actually separate the 2 issues (density and traffic) and resume the debate of whether we should have more density (if it can be done without the traffic) or not. Until such time, the issues are inseparable! More density causes more traffic!! Plain and simple. To claim otherwise is beyond foolish!

      A freilichin Purim.

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    2. There are plenty of stories that only have one side. The recent demand is manufactured by marketing to people from NY.

      Most of the yungeleit would prefer not to live in Lakewood

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  5. If I have a choice of traffic or to have a town filled with sinas chinom and machlokes ,I will take traffic any day. The Dumas chinos and machlokes will consume us as it always had in the history of klal Yisrael rachmono litzlan. No amount of traffic is worth the sinas chinos

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    1. Harold HerskowitzMarch 9, 2017 at 7:21 PM

      Exactly, so lets stop those causing the sinas chinom. Let's stop letting people take advantage of others and causing chilul Hashem. Let's change the way things are done so people won't get hurt. Let's stop all the fighting at the planning and zoning boards as people oppose other peoples projects that assume they can get whatever they want. Let's make it very clear what is and is not allowed, so some don't get angry that they are rejected while others are allowed to do anything they want. Saying we want peace and unity is not causing sinas chinom, Selfishness and corruption do.

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    2. I, too, am concerned about the Dumas chinos.
      Sign me up.

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    3. Dumas Chinos is actually pretty tasty. They serve it in the Mexican restaurant on Second Street.

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  6. I am confused. Everyone keeps saying widen route 9, widen route 88 etc.. why does Lakewood have the right to build dense housing irresponsibly and then demand the state to come in and pay millions in road corrections?? Why can't we build responsibly based on what we have? It's like someone splurging on a credit card and asking for a bailout. It's our responsibility to be responsible.

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    1. Excellent point. notice how none of those roads are Township roads. Because the Township vacated all their roads.

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  7. The problem not the roads, it's the overdevelopment.
    15 years ago with the same roads we had no traffic problems.
    The VAAD (& their cohorts)is the problem not the solution.
    We need a "MR.Solution" to clean the Lakewood swamp.

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  8. We need a "shiva tuv-ei ha'iyr" in Lakewood.
    Never ever vote for an incumbent backed by the VAAD.
    Never vote for any VAAD backed candidate.

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    1. We keep hearing "never vote for any VAAD backed candidate"
      Has anyone in recent years ever put forward an alternative (last time I can remember an alternative was Steven Langert, who started out as a VAAD supported candidate).

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    2. steven started out as a non-Vaad candidate and lost. Then he became best buds with AK and ran as a Vaad candidate and won.

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  9. Pine St area residents, Lakewood mall is going to be built as the Vaad wants it to be, regardless of all of the objections.

    Don't trust them ever, they'll go for no variances, etc., then they'll build as they please regardless of what the resolution says. You'll have to take them to Court.

    They are a real shandah.

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  10. Actually last year there was very busy traffic on Taanis Esther while on Purim the streets were not really congested at all! I remember it very clearly.

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  11. http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IMG_5363.jpg

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  12. There was a forest fire on cedarbridge which took out some main central roads which made a tough traffic day almost impossible but yet we are home in out warm houses with our families. Be happy....and relax and enjoy your families.

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  13. Harold, unless you have Rabonim on board who will sign their name you are wasting your time.
    You know I know and so does everyone else

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  14. He is not wasting his time. There is a new generation of 25-35 year olds that are pissed. We will vote for you. My only suggestion is that you drop the Downtown issue. We don't care about downtown. I understand you have a business there but if you want the masses to support you as we did Trump then you can not appear to care too much about things that affect your business. I am not saying that you are not leshem shamayin, I'm just saying that it hurts your appeal. Drain the swap.

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    1. He is wasting his time if he cant get rabonim to sign. all your new generation will not win over the Roshei Yeshiva endorsed Vaad unless there will be signatures of rabonim.
      And yes most sane people agree that the downtown issue only hurts the cause, as most people have more important worries on their mind then that. So please HH just clamp it already regarding your down town obsession. People are sick of you talking about it.

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    2. Harold HerskowitzMarch 9, 2017 at 8:52 PM

      Clamp it with the downtown? You must be an experienced urban planner. You must understand business development and what makes a town great. You seem to know it all. But clamp it?
      You would rather leave the middle of your town to rot when it can be fixed up and be an asset instead of a detriment and embarrassment? What do you suggest we focus on fixing? Your backyard? Your sidewalk?
      I made businesses downtown because I knew it needed to be repaired. Not the other way around.
      As far as that being my only agenda , I can assure you I have and always had many ideas that could have helped our town prosper and be more enjoyable. You will see.
      But clamp it?

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    3. I must say I agree that people are sick of hearing about the downtown. That and the Westgate shop. Yes it's a problem, yes you primarily care about it because it affect you. There s nothing wrong with you trying to fix the downtown where younjabe businesses, and yes it should be of some importance to everyone. However, it is not the only problem in Lakewood. You have been talking about downtown for 10 years and people just don't seem to care about it. While that's unfoerunate, you do seem like a 1 truck pony. I worry that if you were elected you would spend all ofntje towns resources and money on the downtown.

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    4. Herschel,

      If you are going to run, I may vote for you, but you do need to clarify what your objectives for Downtown are.

      The township has already spent alot of money on parking downtown, and it benefits relatively few people. I understand people invested money their, but the majority of the town doesn't shop there, or need to shop there anymore.

      Your argument about how a downtown drives growth, is a mute point in Lakewood. There are other factors that are driving growth, and the downtown is irrelevant.

      From a fiscal standpoint, it is more important for the town to preserve and try to expand industrial space. that brings in massive tax revenue with minimal traffic

      I rent a warehouse and pay a lot of taxes with no foot traffic, and my inventory doesn't require parking or cause traffic.

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    5. Harold HerskowitzMarch 10, 2017 at 6:16 AM

      I have never advocated spending lakewood tax dollars to redevelop the downtown. The money used on the parking lots that I worked hard to create was from UEZ funds that would have been wasted otherwise on more dubious projects. Connecting all the lots behind Clifton from 4th Street to 1st is one of the only improvements in a number of years to our town that I can think of that benefits many people. It has alleviated traffic and was a base to bring more businesses into and area which is quickly becoming a crime infested blight. As far as industrial space, I would have never allowed zoning changes that allowed schools and homes in our industrial area. I tried many times to attract large companies to industrial park and had no help from our committee. I don't believe in reinventing the wheel. Municipal downtown main streets have, and will always be an important part of any town that has one. Our blatant disregard to this asset AND our other asset, the industrial park will have to stop. We need both to help offset our tax losses from residential building.

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  15. Yes that's the problem. Its the 25 to 35 year olds that use that type of language that are destroying our beautiful Torah town.

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    1. I don't know what language you are talking about, but I would prefer someone who speaks their mind then someone who talks nice while stabbing me in the back,

      Incidentally, it goes way beyond 35 year olds

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    2. I'm not sure what language you are talking about either.... It's called foresight and correct planning.

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  16. The answer to the density issue i think is basement apartments. If there were no basement rentals, the streets would be less crowded with cars and the amount of cars coming down rt 9 would be almost cut in half. So if only housing prices were much lower then pple wont need basements as income.

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    1. Right. And 3000 people would not have where to live. Without basements ,the rents would be double.

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    2. Basements inflate the cost of homes. the only one who gains are the developers.

      BMG could have done what the Mir in EY did and open satellite BM in surrounding areas to alleviate housing issues.

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  17. Harold HerskowitzMarch 9, 2017 at 8:57 PM

    You want Trump? Here is something trumpian for you. We are not going to pay to rebuild downtown. We are going to make the Blue Claws pay for it.
    Is that good?

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  18. Funny how HH failed to mention the large forest fire in town today which caused the gridlock.

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    1. Harold HerskowitzMarch 10, 2017 at 6:02 AM

      Once again , I explained that all the traffic yesterday was understandable . I simply wanted to point out that if we continue on our current path and reelect those that have been in charge all the past years, that we may end up with traffic like that every day. When I said the sky was falling 7 years ago, many people's attitudes were that we need to build as much as we can. Now most of those people are cursing into their steering wheels as a ride across town takes them as long as a trip to the city.
      Now that everyone's homes have been reassessed at full value, just wait until the true cost of hyper development adds up. Any small uptick in the tax rate will tax many of us out of our homes.
      Now add a lack of services because our politicians are too scared to show an increase in the municipal budget.
      All of this adds up to a lower quality of life in a town that had so much potential to be a shining example of what a Jewish community can accomplish by repairing a crime ridden dilapidated town.

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  19. Density-Taxes-It is quite clear that the real reason we have basements is because we cannot afford to pay the taxes without the rental income - The taxes are going to pay for things that benefit individuals, who are powerful or favored for some reason. Look at some of the prices that were paid by the 'urban enterprise zone' The favors and the keep quiet funds that are paid out,along with half the houses in town belonging to 'yeshivas','mosdos',their grandchildren, make the other half have to pay unreasonable taxes, and then have to have rentals to be able to pay for them - nobody wants a tenant in their basement= it is done for $$$$$ badly needed to make ends meet. Many developers are only buying outside of Lakewood because you cannot even make enough money with the taxes in Lakewood-so we have set ourselves up for corruption, NJ style. But hey, this is still an amazing town to live in - we have traffic because kollel leit and all our delicious kinderlach are going to learn torah,it is awe inspiring and amazing-the more the merrier-it was probably crowded in the bais hamikdosh-may it be rebuilt in our days-let's try to keep the taxes down, the development peaceful and liveable, and the self aggrandizement and desire for luksus in control. The Torah says, Torah comes from the poorer families - we should long for that standard !!! Happy Purim - stay safe and LOVE YOU ALL !!!

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  20. Harold HerskowitzMarch 10, 2017 at 6:37 AM

    And one last word for all those that keep focusing on the downtown. First of all, I did not mention the downtown in this article, but you seem to be focused on my advocacy of it more than I do.
    Number one.
    I am currently considering leaving the downtown, like many of the other stores have
    Number two.
    My businesses were made in the downtown in order to help achieve redevelopment. I put my money where my mouth was over the last 17 years. I lost more money than I want to discuss, fighting an uphill battle with connected people that had our committee men working for them to allow downtown to die in order that they can build new shopping centers
    And lastly.
    Towns and cities all over the country are abandoning malls and shopping centers. Many shopping centers have become ghost malls. Cities are revitalizing their downtowns with much success. There are grants and funds available for these efforts. We should be no different . We need to focus on creating businesses that will attract money from outside of lakewood, not take our money elsewhere .

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  21. You are spewing firth the same shaker that the App does. You write that half the houses in town are owned by Mosdos and don't pay taxes. You know that it is not true but you just hate Torah Mosdos so you write shaker.

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  22. There is no question that these bloggers will he blogging that we should stop people from moving to Eretz Yisriel because there is too much traffic being oleh regel. I guarantee you there will he traffic in Yerushalayim. There us no amount if traffic in the world that is worth the sinah and machlokes you guys are creating.

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    1. I disagree. I think Yerushalayim roads will be planned smartly, and even if there is traffic people will go.
      Nobody curses out Boro Park - that's because the road system was created to the best possible degree. People may not want to live there, understandably, but nobody has complaints against the planners.

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    2. When mashiach comes ,I am sure the people in Yerushalayim will say that Lakewoiders should stay hone because there is already gridlock on the streets of YerushalAyim. Try driving on malchei Yisrael before a Shabbos or Yom Tov.

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    3. It takes half an hour to drive 3 blocks in Boro.park during some hours of the day. And there is no place to,park. You can circle for an hour looking for a space.

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    4. Everybody curses out Boro park traffic and parking but its too bad. If you want to,live there you have to,put up with it. Sane for Lakewood. If its in demand ,there will he traffic

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    5. I love the trolls that say that expressing concerns about irresponsible development that is unheard of anywhere,even in our sister city of Monsey is what is causing macloikes and hatred. These are the same people that would protect a known child molester because it's a chilul Hashem to have him arrested. We ebook forward to making the ultimate chilul Hashem and do what is right for every person in this town. What a chutzpah of us to ask for unity and empathy of other people's feelings.

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    6. It is artificially created demand. One big giant pimple (or bubble) waiting to burst.

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  23. https://youtu.be/bJkfzLKzFeE

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  24. i look at 5:58's comments and it seems quite pleasant and peaceful and certainly loving torah and there goes someone at 6:49 saying that 5:58 hates torah, which is certainly not what i read - keep it sane rabosai

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  25. I invite you lakewood residents to Las Vegas where we have a beautiful yiddishe community free from this oppressive lakewood traffic congestion and you are free to have a smartphone and beautiful weather. feel free to inquire about moving to my community.
    call 661-750-2374 Moshe

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