Tuesday, February 28, 2017

Jackson ban on dorms rescheduled

A large crowd of frum Jackson residents showed up earlier tonight at town hall. On the agenda was an ordnance restricting dormitories from residential neighborhoods. The council has rescheduled it to March 14th. 

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  1. I don't get it. If they were living in lakewood , they would oppose it . So why now that they live in Jackson do they want dorms in their back yards. It just doesn't make any sense.

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    1. Sorry to burst your bubble. The hamon am in Lakewood dies not oppose Torah and Ships and Yeshivas. I know most of the bloggers here do

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    2. Hey Mr bubble. This has zero to do with anti tora and all to do with deep down corruption of the Lakewood board and local askonim/ thugs

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  2. Not all frum residents are against this. AK and the Vaad are trying to push their influence in Jackson and raitzed the olam on through their agudah rep to show up.

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    1. Wrong! They are coming to oppose the idea that it can be nowhere. not in commercial or industrial zones. An ordinance banning dorms anywhere and making it much harder for schools and shuls and mikvas. A straight anti-orthordox ordinance!

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    2. wrong!! it is not an ordinance banning in residential that ppl would mind. its banning all over jackson even in commercial and industrial zones. Straight anti-orthordox

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    3. How exactly did he raitz un. What did he say exactly. Did he put a gun to anyone's head from jackson?

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    4. They are are anti what happened to lakewood and anyone with a bit of saichel knows this.
      They are doing a לא פלוג. Just like we see in our own halachos. They simply don't want to be corrupt as lakewood is.

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    5. This is not anti-orthodox. They want to maintain the character of their town. They see what has happened here in Lakewood and think that dormitories are the first part of potential over development. Unfortunately Lakewood became over developed at the same time as our orthodox community grew, but it could have happened with any group of people of any religion.

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  3. its bikur the olam from brookwood who need a shul as they are bh have many mishpachos there.

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    1. If u can have a church pretty much any where then u can have a shul. Just do it legally without any variances or shtick.

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    2. People don't oppose churches for "tznius" or "safety". They also don't ignore a psak din!

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  4. The vaad doesnt seem too concerned with the shul on 10th and Clifton one of the members was fighting it.

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    1. or of the hundreds of men and kinderlach in westgate that have no shuls, or the Oak street Core that has no room for shuls

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    2. How come when the Jackson goyim oppose they're anti Semitic but when the "fun unzere" oppose, it's leshaim shamayim and legit? Feh!

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  5. A brand new church just opened in Toms River. The whole town came out against it. Oh sorry, nobody mentioned it at all. I had it mixed up with the Lubavitch shul that the whole town opposed . All this blowback is a direct result of our out of control planning and zoning laws. There is a middle ground that should be established. Unfortunately they now suffer the consequences of an extreme opposite reaction to what is happening in Lakewood

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  6. Harold HerskowitzMarch 1, 2017 at 6:57 AM

    Actually the all new Wellspring Church in Toms River didn't build a building. They are using the Toms River Intermediate school. No outcry about that from anybody. So happy that everyone in Toms River is so accepting of religion ,that they allow them to conduct services in a publicly funded school building. I am sure they would never oppose a synagogue. They did? Well maybe the synagogue can use the school on Saturday.

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    1. Herschel,Do u know for a fact that the church is not renting space from the said school for their services. Plenty schools fun interested who are government funded rent out space for all sorts of functions.

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    2. Harold HerskowitzMarch 1, 2017 at 6:56 PM

      It doesn't matter . What matters is how This church promoted and advertised, had a free gas giveaway to promote their opening in Toms River and nobody said BOO. But an existing Lubavitch Synagogue that wanted to build according to all zoning codes, was harassed. I don't believe Toms River is anti semitic ,I believe that they are petrified of becoming Lakewood. It's very sad to see something as positive as a Lubavitch shul being harassed because of the sins of its neighboring town. I don't think the church is doing anything wrong, but other religions deserve equal understanding and accommodation.

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  7. There was a minyan this past shabbos at the public school in Jackson.

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  8. Actually most people only went because AK and Agudah told them to fight it...speak to most of the people that showed up and they will tell you they don't want a shul or mikvah or dorm in their backyard.. they went because they were told the shuls may be next.... but it's only half the truth really AK wants there to be allowed to have dorms as property is cheaper and thr Jackson also has an achryus for the yeshivas...

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    1. Most Frum Jews do not know how to think for themselves, we're good shepsalach.

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    2. not true i was there and people went on their own cut out these rumors

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    3. plus there is a musag of das torah but no while the messaging may have been bad as i see the ordinance was flawed we frum jackson strong dont want dorms in our ares but in other types of zones go for it

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  9. Did Avi Schnal tell everyone to go?
    Who told him? Did Agudah moetzes write a letter?

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    1. He spoke about the phone calls yo the JCC'S and compared it to the local situation

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    2. That's a dumb thing to say. Comparing bomb threats to this.

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  10. Hershel. Are private schools which are government funded allowed to have outside functions take place in their government funded schools for free or cost?

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    1. Well Hershel was complaining that public schools use their school for outside functions including prayer for a church and synagogue. So I wanted his input on private schools which are government funded if they are allowed to do the same.

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    2. private schools are not government funded.
      only bussing, lunch programs and some special ed services in the schools are.schools themselves don't get a penny.

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    3. If the school rents out to other groups, religious or not (like boy scouts) they have to rent to churches / synagogues. And they can't charge more, unless a particular synagogues requires too much janitorial cleaning. Coming up -- additional security. Not a simple question, but they'll probably have to eat up the extra security fees.

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  11. So your telling that there are no private schools of any religion that are partially funded in some form?

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  12. Busing and special ed money goes directly to the student or to an outside vendor who services the special needs students . The money does not go to the school. Schools themselves do not get any public money. That is why they are allowed to have any religious events because they are private.

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  13. No. Private schools are not funded. In done States ,parents get vouchers to use for tuition ,but its the parents choice where to spend it ,and the money goes to the parent ,who can use it as tuition for secular studies. But schools themselves do not get funded by the government.

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  14. Who are we to argue? We should be on their side! Jackson wants to be pro-active and prevent clogged roads and congestion. TBL and FAA are here because of this and Jackson doesn't want it to get that far. Let's not let what happened to our town happen to others.

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  15. Where were the askanim or the Agudah when shuls in Lakewood are not allowed. Westgate don't allow shuls and people have nowhere to daven. Why was Agudah and Shall silent??
    10th and Clifton Avteichim shul not allowed to build why is there a double standard.

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    1. Stop it already with this silly Westgate politics in every topic here! You're grating on our collective nerves! I have no idea what the issue and politics in Westgate are all about, but based on your incessant whining and tantrum throwing, I'm convinced that you're likely in the wrong.

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    2. So sorry for grating on your collective nerves but regarding your disgusting comment, in the Jewish religion people are innocent until proven guilty. "...but based on your incessant whining and tantrum throwing I'm convinced that you're likely in the wrong." This definitely does not represent a Torah way of doing things.

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    3. Dude, I don't have a dog in this race, I'm just trying to give you what I thought would be helpful feedback so you know whether your comments are accomplishing anything. They are accomplishing something - that is, you're convincing people that you're wrong. Maybe you're not, but you're not helping your case. No more feedback from me. Peace!

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    4. In this wonderful town how else are you supposed to get anywhere other than exposing (& going on about) issues on hefkervelt? If you do it any other way, the mafia, vaad ppl, stooges etc either break your head or make sure your kids aren't accepted in school or the like. Why is it that when the Westgate ppl are "incessantly whining..." They're told that it probably shows they're wrong, yet when ppl are going to town about how corrupt Meir, Menashe, shenky, the vaad etc, no one tells them that they're incessantly whining and grating on collective nerves. Isn't that a double standard?!
      Btw I'm not from Westgate but I do feel for them. Wrong is wrong after all.

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