Wednesday, January 4, 2017

Proposed retail mall at Cedarbridge, Lakewood


47 comments:

  1. I think this is a great idea. People are jealous of success. I hear the traffic comcerns and that ot may be a bit too congested.

    Park
    Housing
    Office buildings
    Strip malls
    Bingo( the kosher Costco)
    Chasuna hall
    Bank
    Mini shops

    May be a bit too much to handle all that traffic, but I love to see progress

    I think its a win, win
    More tax revenue
    More jobs
    More consumer shopping options
    Easy access for seniors across the street
    Help BMG
    Plus people making money
    I hear the traffic as an issue, but in every successful bustling town, Teaneck, Passaic, Newark traffics an issue and we dont move forward with progress, no jobs are created and a lot of people are desperate for work

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    1. Tax Revenue = Tax Abatement
      More Jobs = Lakewood already has too many supermarkets will just shuffle jobs
      Seniors = Are saying moichel all toivos
      People are desperate for work = As Coles said the corporate park was envisioned to create high paying jobs to support large lkwd families w/o having to travel to ny. Most retail jobs are on the lower end besides for a few managerial positions. The nice new medical building further down new hampshire would have been a perfect fit.

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    2. how are you bringing in tax revenue??????????
      there is a tax abatement for 30 years

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    3. Alumni Beis EliyahuJanuary 4, 2017 at 8:30 PM

      If they can keep traffic off of Pine Street this would be a normal idea.
      Otherwise it`s just another sick deal for the rest of Lakewood.
      We should be embarrassed that we are so bought and cannot police ourselves.

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    4. What does 'help BMG' mean? Will a single yungerman find it easier to learn? Will anybody learn more or better because of it?
      Because that should be the yardstick, not enriching a corporation

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  2. What are they hiding why not be up front and let the nearby residents know what is proposed there. Had they acted nentchlich and sat with neighbors things would be different.
    Sneaking things through only backfires

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  3. "wedding hall utilized in off hours" what type of guarantee is there for that

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    1. Wedding hall is only profitable if it's part of a mossad so will most probably be uses during day time too.

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    2. Not in this case as it is tax free so no need for moisad status

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    3. Wedding hall is only profitable if it's part of a mossad so will most probably be uses during day time too.

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  4. a tax free mega complex is good for ...

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  5. r' feivel cone paskend all frum board members must resign

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    1. Who said so?

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    2. Which board members asked him? Does R' Faivel Cohen paskin shaalos for those who didn't ask him when they have their own rabbonim? I'm sure he didn't.

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  6. I don’t believe for a second that they want to build this shopping center. Its 200k SF of retail that no stores are looking for (there are already too many grocers, they are all hurting, nobody is jumping in anytime soon for “Another” big store). Anyway, they went through a whole lot of trouble to get the whole corporate park designated as “Future High Density Residential” in the “Smart Growth Plan. As a matter of fact, some will say that the whole point of pushing the smart growth plan was “Just” to re-designate Corporate Park to residential. Now they are changing their minds????

    No no no my friends…This is classic “Bait and Switch”. They did this specifically in a way for everyone to come out yelling…

    After they are denied they will come with Residential and the board is going to look at all the yellers and say “Well you didn’t want a shopping center and we denied that for you” now we have to give the developers something.

    And that “Something” will mean 50 acres for duplexes, figure 80% coverage (20% for roads etc. there are already retention basins so the number might be high) gives you 40 acres developable, 5 duplex units / 10 houses per acre is 400 duplexes, four cars per duplex is 1600 cars all hitting Pine St and Cedarbridge during rush hour…

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    1. After looking at the plan, I would agree with you. Outdoor Theatre, Playground, Supermarket isn't even the largest building... They would never lease these buildings.

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    2. Let them either build commercial as promised or give the land back to the Township.

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  7. It seems like there are potential hazards here in both the gashmiyus and ruchniyos realms. There are too many unknowns. I bet there will be backlash from two ends ... but this thing will probably stand, like everything else that has happened in this town - because the last thing that builders care about are the needs of the people. They do - as far as making $$ goes, but it ends there. How will this affect traffic? BTW Ceder Bridge and Ave of the States is a VERY dangerous left turn and is desperate for a traffic light. It will slow down traffic...but its just too dangerous. What will happen with increase of traffic? Also, Pine near Rt 9 is horrible. Its just terrible. Will this not impact the stand still traffic further? What about noise pollution? And in the spiritual realm, will this turn into a hang out? I agree that it can be done right, and be of value to the community, but will it? The hour is late. Lakewood residents refuse to take things sitting down from builders who crushed this community beyond repair.

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  8. A little known fact. NJ PILOT long term tax abatements, that the Township Comittee is handing out work as follows

    The property owner pays a fee in lieu of taxes at a discounted rate. 95% of that fee goes to the Township, 5% to the county,ZERO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

    But Menashe will keep saying over and over that the Township has no defecit, it is the School District that is running a defecit. Yet, it is his decisions that are handicapping the school district.

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  9. I consider Ackerman to be my mayor - regardless of the official township vote.
    D'elia, even if he was forced into this, should have voted his conscience, leaving Menashe to show his true colors.
    Still can't understand why Coles would take this position considering the backlash going on now.
    Lichtenstein is smart, he didn't take the job knowing the uproar, and seeing he's a democrat he can justify his vote.

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  10. Where's the video of meeting?

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  11. Why was an attorney who live in Barnegat, with a law firm in forked River, who has in the past worked for the Township of Manchester, and the head of the Ocean County GOP George Gilmore, the newest appointee to the planning board?

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    1. U don't have to live in Lakewood to be on the planning board?

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    2. I guess not, but even if it's legal, how can they justify a total outsider, with no residence in Lakewood being appointed?

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    3. Better then the member who is off in colllege in Boston who just got on for another 4 years

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  12. Builders are not to blame....it's those that allowed it

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    1. builders bear blame too. they also should have a conscience and feel some responsibilty as a resident of Lakewood.

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  13. This is enough it should be stopped dead in the tracks! We are to complacent and we let things go how many times? It will be a nightmare a huge night mare let s put up signs all over to stop this and let's picket to stop this once and for all. Let's bring thousands for. To stop this and let us hire multiple lawyers to stop this corruption

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    1. Alumni Beis EliyahuJanuary 4, 2017 at 8:32 PM

      There is one recourse, something which we can do.
      Residents of the Pine St area should arrange a boycott of the mall.
      When people see that it will make the area undesirable to build on.
      This needs to be a grass roots effort but it should be done and supported

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    2. Why is your "boycott" not a dum idea??

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  14. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lakewood-resident-screaming-about-new-shopping-mall


    This video has gone viral, and the woman actually requested it get published everywhere so that people should know her outrage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK4axB7aTr0

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    1. She actually asked the guy not to post it.

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  15. Shut down the Masterplan committee(s) NOW!!
    Shut them down now, All the developers [and the committee members] are all part of that club.

    You will all regret their irreversible damage from them.
    DON'T TRUST THEM, THEY ARE PUTTING A KNIFE IN "Lakewoods" BACKS
    All for the buck.

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  16. Re: Attorney living....George Gillmore is voted as the most corrupt in the State of NJ. But he's the CEO's man.

    Don't you smell the trap all you gullible Lakewooders?

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    1. We smelled it, that's why I posted it.

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  17. Macy's is closing 100 stores,Sears is a foot from the grave,even Nordstrom is weak,Mall and name brand stores have lost alot of traffic.Nobody is building Malls today. The women in Lakewood do their shopping at home or work on their computer.How will they fill up 200,000 sq feet of shopping ???

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    1. Why is that your business ? They can build and its their problem to fill the stores

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    2. Alumni Beis EliyahuJanuary 5, 2017 at 5:22 PM

      Stores that don`t do well end up evolving into low end retail and attract very low levels of society as their clientele ask anyone from Baltimore about the ripple effect of high end stores closing at Reisterstown Road Plaza.
      The idea here is to think ahead and plan. We have seen enough Short-sightedness in the Lakewood development we don`t need to exponentially add to the problem

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    3. This is not Baltimore. Th ere are not enough goyim living here to open such large lie end stores. They will either cater to our oilam or sit empty.

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    4. Alumni Beis EliyahuJanuary 6, 2017 at 5:53 AM

      If you own real estate and are willing to flagrantly upset the local population then you will rent to whomever is paying their rent.
      They won`t care if it is a thrift shop or Good Will center.
      You have some sort of notion that these builders have your best interests in mind have you seen Lakewood in the past 5 years?
      Did these people who re-zoned Lakewood have anyone but their own best interest in mind?
      I have no problem with development just with a chesbon not with your head in the sand.
      That`s one of the goals of Torah Judaism

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  18. At a minimum the develor should be required to add a lane in each direction from New Hampshire to Rt 9 plus turning lanes at the mall. The current gridlock will only worsen.

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  19. Who needs more stores? Enough already!

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  20. If PRV believes that Route 9 will be expanded in the near future and New Hampshire lanes will be expanded. I have bridge to sell them.
    Let The promises of road expansion happen first then we will talk about the retail...

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  21. It's not clear to me, who exactly is the developer that is proposing this retail mall? How is it that they were given the land in the first place?

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  22. Can someone confirm if I heard right... Did Flannery actually say that the mall will HELP the nightmare traffic situation - even though they're not adding any more lanes to Pine St.
    How can you affirm to say the truth & then say that?

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  23. Boycott the vaad candidates.
    Vote by mail in ballot.
    Pledge to NEVER elect a vaad backed candidate.
    Tell the candidates "if you have the backing of the VAAD? we don't vote for you-ACHDUS - no one shall ever vote for a VAAD backed candidate ACHDUS!

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  24. http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/rockland/ramapo/2017/01/08/ramapo-ny-breaking-point/95369994/

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