Wednesday, November 16, 2016

Lakewood Trump vote, irks the "elitists"

They know better. It didn't take long for the elitists and leftists among us to wag the finger at the Lakewood community for their support of Donald Trump. Trump got 72.9% of the Lakewood vote, Clinton: 23.8%. An op ed posted on Cross- Currents website just cant understand how we had the chutzpah to vote with our own minds and not listen and cow tow to the narrow mindedness of the holier than though sophisticated self appointed aristocrats. How do we as a community vote for a menuval for a person whose public persona is that of a bully etc. To quote from the op-ed: 
"the far greater concern is the outpouring of Orthodox Jewish support for Trump. It is reliably reported that seventy percent of the voters in Lakewood supported him and there are statements in the names of leading Roshei Yeshiva supporting him". 
How can we not listen to these know it all elitists? Others joined in to, even the Blogging Beach Rabbi was shocked, he was crying! The article continues:

There needs to be an explanation as to why a people who are commanded, Kedoshim Tih’yu, embraced a person who just about in every way possible has been the antithesis of sanctity. It is no answer or explanation that Hillary
Clinton was badly flawed. We had the option of voting for no candidate, as millions of Americans did, or to vote for the Libertarian candidate as millions of Americans did. Overwhelmingly, we voted for a man who in language, deed and thought violates what we are taught to believe in. This is our shame and will remain our shame.

28 comments:

  1. We were not voting for a Rebbe, rather a President. Every day we make the brocha of 'shelo osani goy', and that's even the President. Being the lowest Yid is worlds better than to be the greatest goy. How can we ever vote at all, as all goyim have a chezkas menuval? Rather, we follow Daas Torah, which dictates that we partake in the voting process, based on who it is most likely to help out Yidden and E"Y. In this contest there was none. Hillary is anti-Jewish values, and Trump is pro-Jewish values, at least in their publicly stated policy positions. How a Yid could have done otherwise is shocking. By the way, the Lakewood vote means nothing in the end because Hillary won New Jersey, and the popular vote. The only benefit is if Trump happens to notice our affinity, and helps us with school vouchers or with a pro-Jewish Supreme Court Justice. May Hashem redeem us soon so we don't have to have such options in the future.

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    1. Very well said. We are much better than the goy and must show that with our actions.

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    2. Being the lowest Yid is worlds better than to be the greatest goy.

      Do you really believe that the Chasidei Umos Ha'olum are worse than what the navi refers to as "miharisayich umachrivayich mimaych yatzayu"?

      Trump is pro-Jewish values, at least in their publicly stated policy positions

      What publicly stated policy positions did Trump make that is pro Jewish values?

      FTR I wrote in Evan McMullin

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    3. Closed minded people think in terms of Jewish values and kdusha. Most people though care about the country, and worry about the ability of the US to remain as free and as prosperous as it always was. With that in mind, Trump is the obvious choice.

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    4. People vote in accordance with their values or lack of them. If you think that someone who thinks in the terms of Jewish values and kdusha is close minded you are probably better off in the Hillary/democratic camp.

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  2. Talk about “people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones” Interesting how the op ed is so concerned about yidden voting for a specific candidate but for a clear and psak Bais Din and halacha that we dont care about at all. The Torah is only good when it works in my favor R'L

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  3. Don't bother reading the links, just a bunch of emotionally distraught snowflakes.

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  4. couldn't have said it better:
    How smug and superior. So I and other Orthodox Jews must feel shame and pain because we are too stupid to understand the far right. Were you a Clinton voter Mr. Schick? I notice so many of her supporters saying similar things about Trump voters: they’re just too thick to understand what they’ve done. Or: the Orthodox Jews voted on their concerns for Israel. Not so. I voted Republican not because I like Trump, and not because I like the Republican party and not because of Trump’s support for Israel, but because the Republican party platform is (slightly) more in line with the values of Orthodox Judaism. Vote the party, not the man or woman. As for “violates what we are taught to believe in”, really?! The Left openly promotes baby-killing as a means of contraception (and in chilling Orwellian doublespeak calls this “reproductive rights”) over 4000 babies are slaughtered in the USA every single day. That’s more than a 9-11 of babies every day. The Left openly promotes gay “marriage” and the normalization of many forms of immorality. The Left promotes confiscatory policies of taxation that are far beyond the levels allowed by Torah, the Left today promotes dependency ( in order to maintain a captive voter base) and is against a culture of personal responsibility. Morality and decency start with valuing the individual and individual property rights – these are enshrined in Judaism, but the Left today is Statist and becoming more so. (My vote had nothing at all to do with “who’s better for Israel” nor am I pinning any hopes on Trump, but if you want to bring anti-Semitism into it, you will have to look high and low to find a more vile and vicious Jew hater than Hillary “Effing Jew bastards!” Clinton, except of course when it’s politically expedient…) and Mr. Schick, I don’t know who you are or why you feel entitled to lecture the Orthodox, but your tone is condescending, not far from how liberal Leftist media elites speak about poor benighted redneck Trump voters.

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    1. You can twist it any which way you want.
      The Republican Party espouses views that are selfish and self centered. "I don't want to help others. I don't want to respect others rights of its outside what I feel comfortable with". Yes we frum people cannot support gay marriage because we believe in the Torah but the average goy doesn't support gay rights because he/she is revolting against hashem.....to them it's truly an issue of being compassionate to what they view is a persecuted minority.
      I feel natural revulsion at the whole idea of American exceptionalism. What is that?? It's absurd. What makes us better than any other democracy in the world? That need for American honor and projection of might that has gotten us into so many dumb wars.
      The right wings obsession with guns.
      I don't see how the right wings values line up with frum values at all.
      Chazal say "ma hu rachum...af ata rachum". Of course hashem uses din and nekama....but ultimately what hashem wants us to emulate is compassion.....
      So yes I'm a proud bleeding heart liberal.
      (it's a stroke of genius how the right wing managed to turn "bleeding heart" into something bad)

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    2. Your post follows the standard liberal party line that the only people who are racists or worse would disagree with them sp I see no point in responding.

      But to clarify "bleeding heart liberal" is only used in the context of "Merachem al h'aczorim" As in "the judge was a bleeding heart so he let the mugger off with six months probation"


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    3. Nowhere did I mention anything about "only people who are racists...." I don't follow any standard party line. I'm just expressing why I could never be a conservative.

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    4. And yes I would much rather be a bleeding heart liberal giving a mugger 6 months than a stone hearted conservatives sending innocent people away for life on based on dubious evidence.

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  5. I'm not trying to change your minds, because I really could not care less. But I believe the point of the article was that you can vote for Trump because you believe he will better allow us to perpetuate our ideals. But to praise a man with questionable morals that openly spews hate and divisiveness is not a Jewish ideal in itself. Donald Trump can be trusted to fix our country without having to go around saying that he is the best thing since sliced bread, because he may be some crusty old wonder white bread ,but he is far from a fresh challah.

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    1. No HH, that was not the point. That may be your point, one that I would argue with, but definitely not the writers point.

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    2. Hershel, your campaign was no different that Trump's campaign. Sometimes we need a crazy person to shake up the establishment. I proudly voted for Trump and hope he successfully drains the swamp and builds the wall.

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  6. President Elect Donald Trump's win, is a victory for the anti establishment.
    The country voted to nock out the corrupt establishment.

    The day will come soon when the Lakewood establishment will be destroyed.
    We are indeed in Aschalta D'geula.

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    1. Is your shul now going to say "H'noson Teshua" with "raishes tzemichas guelosainu" now that Trump won?

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    2. Farbissene misnagedNovember 17, 2016 at 8:22 AM

      You are confusing hanoisen teshu'a with ovinu malkeinu

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    3. No I'm not. What possible reference to the president is there in ovinu malkeinu?

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    4. Farbissene misnagedNovember 17, 2016 at 7:00 PM

      What mention is there of ראשית צמיחת גאולתינו in הנותן תשועה?

      I meant אבינו שבשמים. I was never in a shul that says it, whereas I grew up with הנותן תשועה

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  7. I guess modern orthodox Jews don't care about our non-Jewish American neighbors and want to flood our country with non-Americans to take their jobs and livelihood (Clinton's "private" policy as revealed by Wikileaks.)

    I chose to stand up for Americans, and proudly voted Trump. What should I do, I love America and its citizens and Trump is the only one who can stop the illegal immigration.

    As for Trump and his women, I frankly don't care. Perhaps I don't really believe it all, and chalk it up to the dishonest media portraying Trump in every negative light imaginable. In fact, this election was about sticking it to the biased liberal media as mush as it was sticking it to Jeb and the rest of the establishment in both parties.

    It was also about jobs, national security, terrorism, and of course, the future of the Supreme Court.

    Bill Clinton and Donald Trump's women were an entertaining sideshow, which only sex-obsessed people like Megan Kelly and Marvin Schick really took to heart.

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  8. ps fink supported the supreme court decision in the marriage equality case

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    1. Fink is a nobody why even mention his name.

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  9. David Lichtenstein must be seething he was pushing for hillarious. AK too must have voted for her

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  10. Finally the elitists who attempt to dictate how we should vote in our communities because they want $$ for their pet causes are waking up to the fact that, perhaps the people don't care about their $$ interests.

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  11. I love all these comments about "kedusha".
    Are you really that dumb??
    Trump is a liberal leftist his whole life and in his speech at the convention said that he'd be the best friend to the lgbt community. He also stated that he's not interested in overturning same sex marriage.

    But I think there's a deeper concern here. Being a frum resident of Lakewood I think we have a problem with racism. I cannot even tell you how many times rabbonim have said in speeches "de shvartze" in referring to our president while everyone snickers along. How. Is. That. Ok?
    The sad truth is that Trump appeals to a very dark side in people....and yes it's a shame that the frum community taps into that.
    So if being an educated compassionate person that cares more about myself and is capable of nuanced thought makes me an "elitist" then I'm proud to be one.

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    1. I cannot even tell you how many times rabbonim have said in speeches "de shvartze" in referring to our president while everyone snickers along. How. Is. That. Ok?

      How many times did that happen? I can't remember such a thing happening even once.

      I love all these comments about "kedusha".
      Are you really that dumb??


      I sure Trump is not going to fight against anything the Torah refers to as toevah. But those who promote such things are extremely politically aggressive . And they have a much stronger ally in their fight with HC and her supreme court nominees than with Trump and his.

      As above I did not vote for Trump

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  12. I hate the racists amongst us frum people. I proudly voted for Trump because I love America.
    Hillary is surrounded by very dark people - people who hate Israelis for example. Check out her best friend Sidney Blumenthal and his son Max Blumenthal.

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