Tuesday, September 27, 2016

Why cant you fargin? letter in TVOL

Letter in The Voice of Lakewood in response to the "Take back Lakewood" 

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  1. This article is written by someone who has an Ayin Toiva. Why are we so jealous on others? Why can't we vargien yennem? Now that we facing another Rosh Hashone it's a good time for soul searching and ask ourself? What would be had I am property that could be subdivide, would I then object? So why am I going now as a milchemes shel Mitzva? Maybe we should all revisit our objections for others and become yidden with an Ayan Toivah that works for all..

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    1. This has nothing to do with Jealousy. This jas to do with peole losing hours of their day, every day. This has to do with a massive amount of traffic accidents, some with serious injuries, this jas to do with normally calm people havong their nerves frayed by the traffic nightmare.

      So Mr holier tan though, perhaps you should have been Dan Lecaf Zchus, especially so close to Rosh Hoshana, and realized that people oppose the building because damage it is doing to the public.

      I am not heavily involved in Real Estate, but have owned some property from a while back, I went to oppose a nearby development, even though I would have gotten a lot of financial benefit from it.

      Making some money is nice, but people need to be able to live a normal life. Money doesn't justify doing the wrong thing. As a matter of fact, money justifies nothing, Parnassah shel adam ktzuvim lo..

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  2. Build more roads then we can have an honest discussion. Right now it seems that YOU cant fargin that yenim does not want to sit in traffic all day.

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  3. I also dont think anyone has a real taina on a small lot owner subdividing it is the big projects where they get a gazillion variances that really mess things up.

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    1. You are correct, although the new tactic of developers is to have a partner come in amd defend their project as someone who"owns a property in the neigh orhood"

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  4. For you to make a few dollars we have to have hrs of bitul torah even if you would make a million dollars R' Aron would say it is not worth even one second of bitul torah

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  5. this letter is clearly a troll. no way it's serious. but it's not nice to make leitzonus out of Rav Aharon for a joke.

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  6. I guarantee you that if the nisht farginer had a property ,he would not donate it for open space. He would try to subdivide it. Its just when its yenems,then he becomes frum and is worried about traffic and bitul Torah.

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  7. While I thought this sarcastic letter was pretty funny, I do not think that it was proper to put Rav Aharon Kotler in such a letter. Of course Rav Aharon would be incensed at the growth of Lakewood and its level of gashmius and the amount of chilul Hashem we are causing with our attitude that we can do and build what we want. Of course we all remember that Rav Aharon never wanted Lakewood to become more than a place for serious learning boys and not a clearing house for anyone looking to get married and find a job and a house. But nevertheless his name should not be in an article that is so sarcastic in tone.

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    1. Not only are you right, but rav aharon would never have moved to the lakewood of today.

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  8. I thought the letter writer was being sarcastic!! I might be right, no?

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  9. Hakol bdei shamayim....
    We are in a situation that Hashem has allowed to occur. It is a test. Lets pass it. Use every situation we find ourselves in to act G-dlike and be mekadesh shem shamayim.
    Shana tova to all.

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  10. R ahron tz'l had the utmost respect for neighbors and their feelings. Derech eretz kodmo latorah.

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  11. This is not the lakewood r' ahron meant.

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  12. Of course it depends on what type of subdivision we are talking about. The developers projects are unacceptable and of course it causes chaos and bitul Toirah, we are talking of yechidim that have the option to subdivide with millions or variances which get slammed with objections of people who can't fargin and live with an Ayin ra. Those individual subdivisions do NOT cause anyone one more minute in traffic, but a subdivision can be enough money to support an entire kollel for ten years! So those objecting with their Ayin Ra will also have to give Din Vechesbon on the loss of potential limud Hatoirah. Let's change our way of life and try to fargin yennem so that Hashem will huge us midah geneged midas!a Kesiva Vachasima Toiva to all

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    1. If every house was turned into 2 house, by yechidim, it would destroy Lakewood, maybe you are referring to a personal experience,in which case you would be biased, but it is very rare that anyone objects to a Yachid on a subdivision, unless he has extreme plans, like turning a single house into a cul-de-sac

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    2. A single small subdivision can support a kollel for ten years?!???? Which planet are you from?!?!?! Minor subdivision of 2 lots, where it make sense, for a small "development" where you get 2 duplexes doesn't net that much.

      If you mean a big subdivision where they are putting up 15-20 duplexes, THAT has a terrible strain in traffic and resources, and that's what needs to be shut down ASAP!!

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  13. If Rav Ahron was alive today his opinion on subdividing would probably be based exclusively on the sugyos in Lo Yachper and other such places about when you can prevent a neighbor from building on his property, or using it for something that adversely affects a neighbor.

    (His shiur on the sugya of chardal is from his most well know ones)

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  14. I dare you to go to the township and see for yourself which people are the ones that get away with anything because they know the people behind the desk...and probably pay them too. And which people get denied....no they are not the ones looking to make cul-de-sac sacs but they get objection from all kind of people who don't fargin them because they can't do it them self. And essentially it doesn't matter what you do if you have it "in" with the people on the board. I mean look at the applications and you will see for yourself the same people week in week out are getting the sub divisions while the yechidim who come for a one time off get denied. Ayin ra it is.

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    1. That is EXACTLY the point of this movement! Get the crooked cronies who are getting paid out so these big developers who get approved for anything won't be able to anymore. Not the little guy who owns a lot and wants to put up a single duplex! The small construction isn't what's causing the issue, it's the 300 duplexes in the oak street corridor that will! It's the golf course on the 70 that will! It's the golf course on county line that will! It's the pro build lit that will!

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  15. Exactly it's all these huge developments in which they stuff hundreds duplexes plus basements and they give a little land as possible to make the most money. It's mind boggling how they get away with all of that. For the person that questions the 10 year kolel: The chesbon is simple: a subdivision that creates an extra lot will bring in $300K If you have 20 avrechim that you give $1500 per month you end up $360K for ten years! Can you imagine the Zechus of 10 years of limud Hatoirah for 20 Avrechim? (and $1500 per month is 5 times what BMG gives). Let's hope that Hashem will give every Yochid what he asks for in his Teffillah. A Kesiva Vachasima Toiva

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    1. Redo the math. It's $360k per year. That $3.6 million for 10 years.

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    2. If Rav Aaron Kotler would be here today, I am sure he would not be happy with the gashmiosdike way Lakewood has become, and the influx of people who have nothing to do with the yeshiva in there haskofos, who just want to live here because you can have a much nicer and bigger house for less than in Flatbush.

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    3. Could you imagine Rav aharon Kotler reaction to a BMG Chinese auction booklet called Home that was raffling off 250 thousand dollar kitchens, palatial chandeliers and fancy house fixtures? It's ironic that his own namesake and the person left in charge of his legacy has twisted the words of his grandfather to fit his agenda. We now have magazines that have made Torah into a marketable money making machine. True Judaism is fading fast. They blame social media and Internet. They need to look in the mirror first.

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