Tuesday, September 27, 2016

Video: Master pan Density subcommitee, Lakewood, NJ


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Minutes Submitted by anon. TY.
0:01- Justin Flancbaum 
1:30-Moshe Lankry introduces all attendees; Noreen Gil, Larry Simons, Hershel Hershkowitz, Adam Pfeffer, Nechama Morgan, Moshe Liberman and Justin Flancbaum
4:49 - Justin Flancbaum says Albert and Spruce area has less housing density then anticipated by the township.
6:45 – Moshe Lankry suggest in high density areas bus cutting should be installed so not to interfere with traffic. Also, col-de-sacs causes more traffic than regular roads. 

11:25 - Noreen Gil says many development residents are outraged at the high density housing. 
12:54- Larry Simons says all the developers are thinking about is $.Moshe Lankry says density is not the problem, we just need better roads. 
15:30- Nechama Morgan says currently on route 9 you cannot build close to the road so when the day will come the state can have the ability to expand route 9 which will solve the traffic problem in the area. 
16:10 – Moshe Lankry repeats his claim that density is not the problem, we just need better roads. 
17:15- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing. 
20:43- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing. Says people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more. 
22:00- Nechama Morgan says the township demands the developers pay for traffic lights and pay for widening roads and putting turning lanes. 
24:10- Larry mentions the golf course was sold and high density houses will be built. Members mention other new projects. 
27:58 – Moshe lankry mentions that township collects from developers only direst impact fees. 
28:50 – Moshe Liberman says county should expand county line and Kennedy
34:58- Moshe Lankry mentions many developments his drivers refuse to enter
36:00- member opposes the high density building. Other members justify it by saying that people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more. Opposing member says the Lakewood population agrees with him. Lankry pushes back. 
40:38 – member says it’s a waste of time to speak up at planning board. Other members push back. 
43:40 – members speak against building shuls with no limitations. Lankry and Flancbaum push back. 
46:40 – public attendee speaks up. Says that Flancbaum is from the good guys. 
48:20- Adam Pfeffer Esq. demands members do not push for a freeze on high density building. Lankry agrees. 
51:40 – speak about building high-rises

32 comments:

  1. Wow!! So Adam Pfefer is on the committees. Hmm. He makes his bread and butter getting the planning and zoning boards to approve high density projects.

    Hmm, Mr. Glieberman the VP of BMG is on the committee!! His interest is to cram the most houses into Lakewood as possible!!

    Hmm, Mr. Lankry - he is on the zoning board and loves approving high density applications. We're in trouble!!

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    1. And Morgan does does aplications for zoning/site planning for builders. So you have a full house of people who are making money of the destruction of Lakewood.

      I don't blame them, nothing wrong with making a living, but it is treasonous that the politicians appointed them to this board

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    2. But didnt Coles say this time things would be different.

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  2. So the premise of this committee is that it's totally fine if Lakewood is much further congested with high density.

    They readily admit that people can come to planning and zoning board meetings and they assure that they'll take the public's comments into account. Well, the time has come for people to start coming to these meetings and speaking up against high density applications!

    Next thing that needs to change is the ordinance that a shul or school can open up in any house in Lakewood. Obviously communities need shuls (and schools need to be built somewhere) but there must be some way for an application to be denied if a neighborhood doesn't want it.

    The current township law allows anyone to buy the house next door to you and turn it into a shul or school and there's NOTHING you can do about it....

    Since the primary purpose of this ordinance is to HELP people have a shul nearby, if people in the neighborhood don't want it they should have some say....

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    1. Going to meetings sounds nice, but if they get a whiff that you are there to object, they push it off till the next meeting,So you have wasted 3 hours and accomplished nothing.

      It is not residents job to police the boards and politicians. They are elected to represent the will of the people.

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    2. What happens when it's not a neighborhood that opposes a shul but just a few power hungry bullies?

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  3. Looks like the vaad had some members of the public sit in on the meetings to make it look fair and hog seats too at the same time.

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  4. Why did Hershel escape ?

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  5. I'm not sure why Mr. Lankry's kids can't move to Jackson or Toms River.

    Relax, it's only a few minutes away. Oh right but then when they get to Lakewood's borders it will take them another half hour to get anywhere...

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    1. His investment properties wold then be worth less

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  6. I'ts simply not feasible or reasonable to expect that there will be unlimited housing available forever and ever for whoever wants to buy in Lakewood.

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  7. Just add an ordinance to outlaw culde-sacs end of discussion

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    1. And vacating streets all over....

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    2. just call cul de sacs what they really are. DEAD ENDS

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    3. Dead ends at least in other towns dont have houses at the end so they can technically be connected if another dead end abuts the first one. In lkwd we do things differently.

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  8. 0:01- Justin Flancbaum
    1:30-Moshe Lankry introduces all attendees; Noreen Gil, Larry Simons, Hershel Hershkowitz, Adam Pfeffer, Nechama Morgan, Moshe Liberman and Justin Flancbaum
    4:49 - Justin Flancbaum says Albert and Spruce area has less housing density then anticipated by the township.
    6:45 – Moshe Lankry suggest in high density areas bus cutting should be installed so not to interfere with traffic. Also, col-de-sacs causes more traffic than regular roads.
    11:25 - Noreen Gil says many development residents are outraged at the high density housing.
    12:54- Larry Simons says all the developers are thinking about is $.Moshe Lankry says density is not the problem, we just need better roads.
    15:30- Nechama Morgan says currently on route 9 you cannot build close to the road so when the day will come the state can have the ability to expand route 9 which will solve the traffic problem in the area.
    16:10 – Moshe Lankry repeats his claim that density is not the problem, we just need better roads.
    17:15- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing.
    20:43- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing. Says people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more.
    22:00- Nechama Morgan says the township demands the developers pay for traffic lights and pay for widening roads and putting turning lanes.
    24:10- Larry mentions the golf course was sold and high density houses will be built. Members mention other new projects.
    27:58 – Moshe lankry mentions that township collects from developers only direst impact fees.
    28:50 – Moshe Liberman says county should expand county line and Kennedy
    34:58- Moshe Lankry mentions many developments his drivers refuse to enter
    36:00- member opposes the high density building. Other members justify it by saying that people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more. Opposing member says the Lakewood population agrees with him. Lankry pushes back.
    40:38 – member says it’s a waste of time to speak up at planning board. Other members push back.
    43:40 – members speak against building shuls with no limitations. Lankry and Flancbaum push back.
    46:40 – public attendee speaks up. Says that Flancbaum is from the good guys.
    48:20- Adam Pfeffer Esq. demands members do not push for a freeze on high density building. Lankry agrees.
    51:40 – speak about building high-rises

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    1. 22:00 I think should say county demands

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    2. it's glieberman. not liberman.

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    3. Thanks! anno. ty.

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  9. I happened to be in the Township building when the meeting started. I just wanted to hear what the discussion was about. I was bored hearing them talk about housing density and where it is feasible to build more housing in Lakewood. I was not in the mood to scream like a madman again. I also cant stand being looked down at by people that have obvious conflicts of interest, for stating the obvious.

    Imagine a playroom filled with toys covering the floor. There is almost no room to move.Your child asks you for a new large Lego set. You explain to him calmly that there is no more room in the playroom. Perhaps he wants to give away some of his other toys first to make room. The child is adamant, he wants more toys. You send him to his room.
    If I told these people that we just have to stop building developments and Rezone areas for industrial/ commercial development or (god forbid)open space,or told them If we purchased land from developers for millions of dollars to prevent projects, we would actually save taxpayer money, they would call me a fool. After all ,it does seem overtly simple. Just stop building? is that a realistic solution?

    The answer? It is the only solution.

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  10. The Lakewood Golf course on County line is in negotiations to be sold. The price is astronomically high. Any development that will be built there would need to be high density in order to be economically feasible. We need to get a moratorium in place BEFORE someone buys the land for 100 million dollars. We need to establish a moratorium BEFORE 4000 duplexes are built, Before another strip mall with another market is in place to take away customers from markets down the road because you cant move in the traffic anymore.
    We have reached the tipping point. There really is no more need for discussions.

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    1. I am sure you will be happy to know that that one of the members of the committee mentioned in a different meeting, that the plan is for all the commercial properties on Prospect to become residential.

      seems like there is an allergic reaction to common sense, causing these people to do the exact opposite

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  11. Mr First Amndment dude
    Keep posting
    These meetings are so important
    It's sick that the top 2% only care about
    themselves and they tell the rest of lakewood to go #%**^ yourself
    Meanwhile the people are so stupid and follow like sheep to the slaughter
    Why should anyone be talking about high density
    Lakewood is turning into a nightmare place to live

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  12. In response to a members objection, a committee member makes the claim that it is the townships responsibility to be accommodate people who are not residents of Lakewood, to insure they have housing.

    It seems like the whole concept of representative democracy is lost on him. elected officials, and their appointees, have a duty to represent the interests of the people who elected them.

    I know people jokingly refer to Lakewood as Ir Hakodesh, but Lakewood is not the State of Israel, there is no "right of return"

    And if some mythical right of return exists, at what point does the viability of the town come into play, are they going to start confiscating homes with eminent domain to build skyscrapers to accommodate half a million people?

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  13. Apparently a board member feels that certain areas of the town should be for pedestrian use only, what a wonderful idea, we can close all the streets, think of how many more housing units we can add to Lakewood.

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  14. oops .I totally forgot today was the day of Jewish Unity. I will say my tehillim while I am sitting in traffic on my way home.

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  15. Some of these people are the ones buying up homes in good neighborhoods and renting them out to lowlifes. It's because of one of these 'askanim' that I have drug deals happening in front of my house on a regular basis. Your Yom Ha Din will come.

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  16. Minimum lot requirement is just that, a minimum. Not a starting point. If some of the lots in Albert area are not as dense as the maximum allows doesn't mean that the entire character of the neighborhood must be changed. So let's ask the question Loyd and clear, Who is Flancbaum working for? What properties does he have a silent interest in? There are many investors holding properties on Albert and east spruce and they are pushing very hard behind the scenes to get it rezoned r 12 and to stuff the with duplexs.

    Did you hear a few nights ago at the planning board when an investor/owner/frontman called a homeowner selfish for not laying down and letting an investor destroy his neighborhood (hearthstone). Absolute disgusting.

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  17. Ok let's speak English
    listen here real estate people
    You are making life in lakewood a living hell to benefit your own pockets
    When more people come
    More traffic comes
    More problems getting kids in school
    More busing issues
    More competition and smaller stores suffer
    More crowded nightmarish stores
    More sick people
    More social ills
    And a host of things happen when a twin becomes overpopulated
    Why can't we be sensible
    Why can't we care about yenna
    The little guy
    The guy who doesn't have his hand in the cookie jar
    The prices keep going up because of these uncaring developers
    Sure they drop a drop of charity here and there to satisfy their guilt
    But they've ruined things for many people

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    1. THE REAL BLAME IS WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. They are the elected officials,and need to act in the benefit of the public.

      ALL OF THOSE BUMS NEED TO GO. I don't want to hear how one or 2 maybe good, if any of them would be good, they would be calling the others out.

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    2. no it's not. the real blame goes to the one individual puppet-master who is really in charge and must never be named on this blog.

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  18. Can we all go and crash the meeting and tell them that everyone in lkwd who is not an investor is saying no medium highrises

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