Thursday, September 29, 2016

Busing Frustration why does courtesy come before mandated

A month into the school year parents of private schools are upset and frustrated, they still do not have busing. Parents of children who have mandated busing want to know why preference was given to courtesy busing routes while they are still car pooling waiting for bids to be picked up. In addition some schools have resorted to private busing and parents are paying over $500 per child while those who got busing are only paying $125. Another sore point the Lakewood township paid all courtesy busing costs of non mandated public school students while the private school students are paying out of pocket. The LSTA hopes to bring more buses to fill the shortage but it may not happen until after sukkos or perhaps closer to Chanuka.

25 comments:

  1. WELCOME TO THE REAL LAKEWOOD!
    A school administrator told me in a passing conversation...
    "If you want to get anything done in Lakewood Municipality, make sure it's somehow corruption-otherwise it won't get done".
    WOW! Enlightening!

    So I'm out!

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  2. I don't think people realize how many of the "courtesy" students are actually "mandated". For students living less than 2 miles from school, the Township is not required to provide transportation, but IS required to provide "safe passage", which means sidewalks and crossing guards that make it safe for these children to (in theory) walk to school. Since the Township is not providing either of these things, they technically are required to provide these students with transportation. Given that reality, I don't know why these students are not eligible for the aid-in-lieu, but that's another question.....

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    1. Where do you get that "Safe passage" requirement from? Vu shtayt?

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  3. Really the township knowingly pulled one over on its residents. The residents voted NO to funding courtesy busing. We do not want unnecessary tax increases. Sticking courtesy busing in for free for public school students in order to influence the busing bill to pass for transfer of funds to the new LSTA consortium... is directly ignoring what the residents of this town voted against. Now to say that the non-profit schools should get free courtesy busing from the town still violates the wishes of the residents...no to courtesy busing. Two wrongs don't make it right (only in math is two negatives a positive..).
    My mandated eligible children did NOT get busing last year (out of all my children only two routes were picked up).
    Again this year, I am still waiting for busing for a few of my children.
    I grew up with a lesson my father instilled in me. "If it smells then something isn't right." In this case, even if someone were to say, "we did nothing wrong..." , it still smells of awful politics. Something isn't right.

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  4. The picture by now is pretty clear what went on here with this bill. The powerful well connected mosdos took care of themselves first. They control the consortium they made sure only their schools got first bids. The smaller mosdos were left out in the cold. The results are very clear if your a parent in a small school your tuition bill just went up another $1200 for private busing. The askanim touted this bill as the best thing that happened, unfortunately The facts tell A different Story

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  5. If Jay bus company would take over the system and the BOE busses, they could do a faster better job.,

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  6. basic business is to sell your hardest to sell products first. why werent the more difficult routes ie the smaller schools picked up first, and then work the way up to the larger schools?

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    1. that is 100% correct. They shouldn't have given an option of cherry picking the best routes first. they claim they are negotiating the rest of the routes, well you gave up all your leverage, so what are you negotiating with?

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  7. From September 2nd

    In exchange for being given control of 7.5 million dollars in required mandated busung funds from the state our "askanim" somehow circumvented the will of the people and gave courtesy busing to the public schools. We had a vote whether we should raise taxes for courtesy busing 98 percent of Lakewood voted against courtesy busing,yet somehow we are now paying for public school courtesy busing and will be paying out of pocket for our private schools. And the worst part is that the "askanim" are patting themselves on the back for a job well done.

    So. here is a more realistic list of answers to questions you may have regarding busing.

    My child is a mandated busing child, will we receive busing this year? Yes, but we doubt it will be sorted out when and where and how. Please be patient and hopefully all will be running smoothly by Channukah time. If a bus company doesn't pick up your route you will receive a payment in lieu, but don't hold your breath for that check to come in a timely manner, you may have to hound us for it.
    My child is non-mandated, will we have busing this year? Hopefully, but it is not guaranteed unless you are in public school in which case your bus is paid for by the unwilling taxpayers. It is more likely that you will not pay for busing if you go to the schools that control the busing consortium.

    Will busing start on the first day of school? Well if we left it to the state it would have .But we know you dont mind the inconvenience so that a few people can control the busing money for themselves.
    Should I expect any changes from last year? Well you nkmay have to walk further to a combined bus stop. For some of you this walk may be so far that you will want to drive to the stop.You may also notice your child coming home in tears after sitting on a bus for over an hour since the routes will need to be extended to save money to pay for our own schools courtesy busing.
    Thank you for your patience and helping us help ourselves.

    You "Askanim" have no idea how much pain you are causing innocent families. Had you left well enough alone and allowed the end of courtesy busing, those with mandated busing could have at least had what they are legally entitled to.

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  8. Where is Avi schnall now??? Kravetz is the fall guy for this mess???


    All the askanim who were quick to send "pat my back" press releases when the bill was passed aren't here to take some blame for the mess now?!?!

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    1. Where are all the askanim who put their face on the front cover of the voice they were there to take all the credit.

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    2. Kanarek he accomplished exactly what he set out to do

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  9. I hear that mandated bussing should come first, but some pple such as myself are just .3 of a mile less then 2 miles. Why should I be driving my kids everyday? I'm in the car over an hour a day just driving my kids thru all the traffic. Its really hard and if there were no schools with courtesy bussing the traffic would be a 100 times worse.

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    1. Buses actually cause worse traffic. Our school "system" is far from perfect. Schools That have children that live far away should have private busing which could be more organized and less torturous to children that are forced to sit on buses for over an hour. Car pools and hired vans for neighborhoods eventually fill in the gap to get kids to school.
      This consortium actually made the loss of courtesy busing worse. They cost the taxpayer millions by giving courtesy busing to public school students. They delayed parents and small schools from Figuring out how to get their kids to school because they promised them something they could not achieve. You are right. A 2 mile cutoff for busing is not fair. They should have advocated the state to subsidize busing for kids over a mile. As usual everyone grabbed for themselves and did not take the klal as a whole into consideration.
      Selfishness wins again.

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  10. mosdos shou1ld not be charging anyone for busing. They have enough money from tuition. All you need to know is how much they charge for tuition, how many kids in a class, and how much they pay their teachers.
    You dont even need a calculator for that.

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    1. To be fair, you would also have to know how many parents don't pay, and what the mortgage on their buildings are.

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    2. I wish it were true that every student paid full tuition but that isn't the case. I wish it were true that every child paid their contracted tuition but that isn't the case. Bigger schools may be able to cover the gap in tuition better but smaller schools can't and certainly can't donate money to the busing issue. (They can donate a portion of their loss to you if you choose to pick up the tab.)
      The busing bill was designed to help solve the busing problem. We know it made the problem worse. However, please remember that it's mostly the families sending to the smaller schools that were punished through this bill and those schools don't have the funds to foot the private transportation costs.

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    3. Next yr we will have a school crisis as no noe will want to go to the smaller schools

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    4. If you believe schools are rolling in dough, why don't you open one?

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    5. If you wonder why most people dont open schools. Just say the word school owner in a crowd and see what type of reaction you'll get. (Just make sure no school owner is present)

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  11. 1. Its not like it used to be. In the year 2016 99% pay tuition. This is fact.
    2. Almost no one pays less than $4200 per kid in elementary school and $4600 in high schools. Dont forget the extras they throw in (snack, G.O., ets.)
    3. many many pay over $6000
    4. The only ones that get off on tuition are almonos or if a parent is severely ill R"L. Even they just get a discount most of the time.
    5. almost everyone that gets tomchei shabbos packages, hachnasas kallah, BMG vouchers, Deja New etc. still pays the minimum of $4200.
    6. Think about how many tzedaka organizations are needed to help people cover tuition.
    7. Buildings are almost all paid for by a combination of donors, fundraising, simcha hall and summer camp rentals, and the small building fund fee the parents must pay.

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    1. "and the small building fund fee the parents must pay."
      are you kidding me? "SMALL BUILDING FEE"??
      I paid huge fees to 3 mosdos my kids go to, besides for tuition. and yes I was learning full time at the time and didnt have the money, and still dont.

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    2. The only solution would be neighborhood busing to schools
      Where all the kids in one neighborhood meet at a corner and the bus goes to the schools
      For example any kids in vicinity of 14 & Forest meet at corner and bus goes to each of the schools instead of each neighborhood having to send busses just send one
      If people can Daven together the kids can share the same bus

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