Wednesday, July 27, 2016

A minyan with no home

Submitted (not verified for accuracy)
One of the oldest minyanim in Lakewood finds itself with no home. The minyan has been bounced around from place to place over the years, a shul in exile. Known as "Avreichim" its from the old heimish minyanim in the heart of Lakewood. For years it was housed in the Lakewood cheder building primarily as a shabbos minyan. Many of the Rabbonim across Lakewood today were former mispalelim in this mikdash me'at. The shul had purchased a property on the corner of 10th street and  Clifton Avenue, due to a lack of funds or other reasons the minyan did not build a new home. When the Cheder building was demolished the minyan was practically homeless moving around various buildings in the neighborhood, currently the minyan is housed in one of the yeshiva buildings. An opportunity arose and a few selfless mispalelim took upon themselves to finally build a brand new building on the lot they've owned for many years. Zoning and variance  approvals were granted, plans were drawn up, money was raised and construction began. The foundation was dug and concrete was to be poured early in the morning. At midnight  the night before  a local Bais Din issued an IKUL on the construction after a neighbor complained. The Bais Din apparently did not speak to any of the Avreichim members prior to issuing the IKUL and an ad hoc din Torah took place at 2 am a mere 4 hours before the pouring of the foundation. Not being able to stop the cement trucks the decision was made to let them pour but construction must stop until further action is taken by the self imposed Bais din. A well connected askan got involved and threatened to have the zoning variances for the shul revoked through his connections and deep pockets.
That threat is laughable since there is no way to revoke a variance once it has been granted but shows the bully tactics used by these askanim who are drunk with power. It shows how you can use a Bais Din at your disposal, or politicians who are beholden to you, to bully people and get what you want. The halt in construction has caused a great financial loss to the shul. The shul was already there before and the plans were approved. To this day the foundation sits empty and once again a  powerful and well connected askan prevents a shul from being built. A stab in the heart of Lakewood literally and figuratively.

39 comments:

  1. This is all just one side of the story. I would like to know what the neighbors/askanim side is?? Also, why can't they just use the Bais Hora'ah. That seems to be the go-to place for all the displaced minyanim on Madison ave.

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  2. Batei Din being corrupt is a sign that Mashiach is finally on the way.
    We should be zoo he very soon to "Ve'ashiva shoifteich kevarishonah".
    But until then, we in Lakewood know that to find a real beis din,(with proper experience and a true understanding of the business world, eho also hsve backbones that aren't borrowed from jellyfish) we need to travel to NY.

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  3. I think they used the Bais Havvad bais din.

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  4. Lets face it, although Shulchan Aruch allows you to build a beis hamedrash & no one could be mocheh. That is a beis hamedrash for Torah & tefilah, not for parking up the block. No simcha hall, no Mikveh, & no people smooking in the chotzer & tossing the stub into the neighbor's yard.
    No matter how much the kehillah is makpid on everyone following those rules, as time goes by they become relaxed, new people join, other freeloaders & ausnitzers, come & don't keep the rules, besides the chelbanah who are already part of the kehilah.
    It is a stress on neighbors, & the shul's do stretch it too much sometimes, although this kehillah is really special, and more considerate than most, it doesn't mean all their children are.
    i believe the shul will happen at this point, & the neighbor will use it when convenient, but yes it won't bee the same quality of life for the neighbor, and as time goes on it will get worse there is no way of enforcing the rules for ever , without a big escrow, which gets replenished.
    If tossing a cigarette butt in the neighbors yard will cost $500.00 from the escrow, or someone blocking the neighbor's driveway, or noise after 10.30 at night all cost money from an escrow with cameras installed to monitor the situation, it won't happen. The guilty party will be fined.
    When building a shul in someone else's backyard these things must be sorted out before you even start.
    The worst thing is to make a saneigor into a kateigor.

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    1. Who was there first??? dont move in if you know beforehand a shul will be your neighbor. That area is the busiest intersections of Lakewood, if you want quality of life move to yehupitz.

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    2. You paint a misguided picture of what a shul is. more so this area has 2000 cars daily parking there for the yeshiva dont suddenly bring up "parking issues".
      Should a shul not have bathrooms because the flush is too loud? should they not have normal social facillities that is needed to serve a shul?
      No reason a shul cant have a mikva for its mispalelim and to bring income to support the shul. No reason a shul cant have a simcha room for its own functions, kiddushim and brissim of its members. This is the yiddish way of life. This how it has always been. We are starting to sound like the opposers to our religion r''l. The only kateigor is your remarks abouta beautiful kehilla and preventing a makom Torah utefillah.

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    3. They can all park in the swamp aka "Commuters parking lot"

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    4. When I moved to from the Yeshiva area to Westgate I thought that finally we will be able to get appointments in the mikva at a normal hour. Little did I know that westgate gives appointments to families from all over Lakewood. And we were stuck again with appointments at 11:45pm or late. I started paying 240.00 for the main shul besides for my own shul and we were able to get normal appointments. True $240 is money but it is worth the investment. People should choose very carefully where some extra money can make big differences to their piece of mind

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    5. Is that normal? People now have to pay an additional fee for a mikva privilege. Either build more mikvaos or have a fair and honest system. There should absolutely be no protektzia involved when it comes to a public communal mikva nashim.

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  5. How on earth can a BD issue an ikul on someone preventing him from doing anything? can BD stop you from driving your car or from eating breakfast through an ikul?

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    1. With protektzia and connections you can get whatever you want. The same shtick was pulled with Westgate an ikul was issued withour speaking to the other side at all. Even after the din Torah they ignored the psak. and that person is involved in the Bais Havaad. no wonder people run to NY and lost trust in local botei din.

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  6. Is the Bais Havvad affiliated with the Lakewood Vaad?

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    1. What does the Lakewood Vaad have to do with this?

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    2. Do your homework you'll see.

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  7. Who is beis havaad and how much do they charge for an ikul? Is there an express option for an extra fee?

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  8. Wow this is not in westgate this is mamash in alt shtut.

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  9. Biggest chutzpah and hypocrisy is none of these restrictions are imposed in the very shuls where these askanim daven as long as its their own you can do whatever you want and there are no issues or concerns. When it comes to "yenem" all of a sudden theres a new set of rules. and you can publicly come out against a shul.
    all shuls have traffic and you could find many Problems with a shul. But, we need shuls and thats why we understand and accept what comes along with it. This is in communities across the world.

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  10. You see how disparate our town is. One shul is closed down, while another building with multiple uses that hurt local businesses was helped to stay open. Because it's all about money and protection. This is all very upsetting.

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    1. both shuls are the same guy. so your comment makes no sense. does he sometimes have money and protection and sometimes not?

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    2. No they dont. Are I him has nothing to do with the building on 4th and Madison.

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    3. he bought the land on clifton and was main guy involved until recently.

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  11. It is ....that is behind the fighting of Avraichim. He is a Gavra Alima and many mosdos and their fundraisers want to be on his good side. I heard he is helping a close friend who claims that Avreicim will inconvenience his life style

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  12. כל דאלים גבר

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  13. The choice of beis din is up the nitan, story doesn't sound right

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    1. The mispalelim were bullied not to go to a din torah. This askan controls a lot of money in town through various agencies. Some wives are employed there and probably may fear possible retribution. That's how the system works. not everyone has the will power to fight against these establishment bullies who enriched themselves with the power of the lakewood voting block claiming to represent the community.

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    2. The mispalelim were bullied not to go to a din torah. This askan controls a lot of money in town through various agencies. Some wives are employed there and probably may fear possible retribution. That's how the system works. not everyone has the will power to fight against these establishment bullies who enriched themselves with the power of the lakewood voting block claiming to represent the community.

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    3. How dare you say such things about a long time ask an always there for the community. Always Penning editorials defending these very same bully tactics against the community.

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  14. The activist who is fighting the shul has a siruv against him and his business from an out of town Bais Din. His business is Lo Tzayis Ldina.
    Bais Din is not existent to these people

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    1. With all due respect, a Bais din gave a very clear psak in Westgate and it was totally ignored so why do you think anything will be different here? על שלושה דברים העולם עומד ... געלט, געלט און מאך געלט!

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    2. Does Greenspan from Westgate mikva also work for the basis havaad. That would explain the ikul.

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  15. Why should the vaad be responsible for something one of its members do. Unless the vaad is backing it up.

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  16. The Helberg shul was not the first shul that they closed up, Hitler was first.
    The Helberg shul catastrophe has the local poiskimlich and some Rabonim and Rosh Yeshiva to blame.

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  17. Lets have some names please.

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  18. THe vaad Ho'ir
    Is here for the shtut they are here to help by doing good things. But they have much more authority and responsibility to prevent evil and corruption and churban hdas. How much more so when one of the Vaad members is the very person who is caring out the crime. The Vaad that convenes quite often knows exactly which member it is. We are all waiting to see the Vaad Hair's help.

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    1. Vaad is taking photo ops with the outgoing chief they have no time for this nonsense

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  19. To July 27 9.27 AM.
    You may or may not know that in Shulchan aruch there is a cheilek called Choshen Mishpat, which has a part called Hilchos shecheinim, which tells you what one may or may not build. Calling someone who advocates for people keeping hilchos shecheinim Opposer of our religion If it isn't outright kefira it borders on kefira.
    The fact the Shul has income from a mikveh,& simcha room doesn't give them a blanket heiter to build one, & piggyback on the heiter of building a shul. It adds traffic at delicate times morning during busing & Fridays during Shabboss preparations.
    The fact you say they always had these, shows you know little history, most were Botei Kneses, & even Botei Midrash didn't have a mikveh in the building, for many reasons it wasn't practical in those times. Go to the old shuls in Europe & find me one with a mikveh in the building.
    These extras could & must be sorted out amicably B4 opening. I made some suggestions above.

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  20. I love the way ppl pick and choose what does or does not border on kefira! In Westgate, a Bais din gave a very clear psak, which was totally ignored! That's not kefira?!

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  21. To the person who requested names, how can one put names on the blog of people who don't listen to rabbonim? Isn't that part of the whole argument regarding Westgate? That they're bashmutzing rabbonim and bigwigs? Come on! Let's not have a double standard here even if it's leshaim shomayim.

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  22. The oldest mikveh in Lakewood was the historic mikva in the basement of the old shul on Park Avenue this can be confirmed with Rabbi Yoffe Shlita. This is that our grandmothers used.

    Oh this was thae Lakewood before the city was controlled by Ask anoying.
    Btu now that we have Shoftim Veshotrim all over town they control which shul should build and which shul should deteriorate. They control that wives should call police on their husband. They all know first hand information that the husband is at fault.

    For a list of these Ra Bonim and Ask onim. you can find it in the acepted applications for the hotist gehenom. If you want to know where in Lakewood they live do your homework. And Mr Macher You know who you are

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