Sunday, May 1, 2016

Is Lakewood a city yet?

Lakewood Councilman Raymond Coles remarked in a  recent article. "Lakewood will become a city, if we're not one already," he said, and predicted that office towers and tall apartments one day will dot the skyline. Coles, a Catholic, defended Lakewood's opening its doors to the many Orthodox who want to live there, saying it is right to accommodate a community for whom Torah study is "life's highest callings." 
Do we have an infrastructure for all these tall buildings? how about widen route 9 first? build roads to accommodate the growth. Is everything about money for investors?

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  1. Why are you so negative, what does this have to do with investors ? People want homes in Lakewood. Even uf investors would be making no,money there is a huge demand for housing. Without the demand the investors could not sell. So stop with the investors. Its homebuyer demand.

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    1. Lakewood youngeleit need housing here more than chasidim from NY but the youngeleit have been priced out of the market by investors looking to make a buck rather than help affordable housing

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    2. So having an opinion and asking questions, is considered negativity? Do you want a totalitarian states that forbids questioning? Would you be happy in North Korea or Iran? Unfortunately, many Torah communities have much in common with those two states.

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    3. they are being priced out of the market because the value of land went up. why should an investor sell you a piece of land for the same he paid for it 10 years ago when its worth twice that now?

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    4. There is a difference between the price going up, and the prices skyrocketing. If they bought the land 10 years ago, they could knock $100k of the price of each house and stil make a killing.

      I am not against capitalism, but don't try to sell it, or the variances which are being allowed by the zoning board, as benefiting the community.

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    5. not true. they are charging $550k.

      $550k-300k cost of construction= 250k
      250k-30k for builder=220k
      220-75k (aprox cost of land from 10 years ago divided by 2 after sub-division)= 155k.
      this is before you calculate intrest from original loan on property and intrest from construction loans, or paying other investors.

      so if you see why someone should chop off 100k and possibly only make 50k from an investment that probably never really gave much income for the past 10 years, explain yourself.

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    6. It does not cost 300k for a developer to build a town home.

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    7. I also know that the particular lots on Prospect did not cost anywhere near 75k per lot.

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    8. current construction costs are aprox. 300k per duplex. I'm in the buisness.

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  2. Check out Philly,com May 1 not good

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  3. Hershel HerskowitzMay 1, 2016 at 6:53 PM

    A city is usually a natural outgrowth from an area that was originally created for high density due to its proximity to a trade route or port. Sometimes a city is created by a large industrial complex. In both cases there is a large open area available to host such an effort. Lakewood already was a town. It has limited resources. Limited area. And limited infrastructure. You cannot turn a town like Lakewood into a city. There is no grid. There are no avenues. Shopping takes place in assorted strip malls. It is not, nor can it become a city. It can only become a town filled with too many people and too many tax free properties to serve those people. A town that requires, but cannot afford busing. A town with power issues, water issues, sewer issues and traffic nightmares.
    Ray Coles plans on leaving lakewood and retiring with a pension, his stake in the Strand Theater and Blue claws stadium. He couldn't give a hoot about the future of our town. His kids won't be learning in BMG. He doesn't need to find them a house or go shopping erev Yom tov. Thank you Ray for your intelligent quote. If you would be a committeeMan in any other Jersey town you would have been voted out in a second. In Lakewood as long as you do as you are told, you will get your benefits and move to a nicer town.

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  4. Hey HH. That is your opinion and you are entitlrd to,it. My,opinion and the opinion 9f many others does not agree with you. Please stop the negativity. We want the growth gor our children. If you stop the growth now, then houses will double in price overnight.

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    1. You saying that he is negative, doesn't make it so. You can move to Afghanistan if you dislike dissenting opinions.

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    2. Sir 8:36pm, can you please read what you just wrote?
      There is no more room for growth. A town cant become a city just by an amount of people. It needs to be able to have the infrastructure, which we quite obviously don't have. Its not an opinion.
      So you want to keep growig so the houses don't double? Grow to where? LOL

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    3. Even you will have to admit that you are just pushing off the inevitable. Land is a finite resource and at some point Lkwd will runt out of land. If you really cared about your children and the ability to sustain the growth, you would force them to build with some seichel instead of these cul de sacs to no where, just to allow the developers to squeeeze another two more houses at the end of the block

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    4. Now that they have actively marketed the properties to NYers, the properties will houses will be well over $1million by the time most peoples children need homes, and will still be out of range.

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  5. I and the silent majority stand with Harold.

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  6. You want the growth for your children at the expense of the quality of life of the current residents. At least build the roads to support this "Growth" (AKA: Migration from Brooklyn)

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  7. If you think the 9 is bad now just wait till the Tashbar building is finished along with Oak Meadows and the 3-4 developments they are building on Prospect. Its going to make the current state of the 9 look like a super highway.

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  8. With all the kvetching at the end Lakewood will become more and more crowded anyway.And most of the kvetchers were people that had their houses built over the resentment and opposition of those who were in Lakewood before them too.

    Realistically speaking the only thing that can really be done is tax all future developments to provide funds to build the infrastructure they require or other such ideas

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    1. Realistically, that should have been done a decade ago. there are thousands of houses already approved, it is too late.

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  9. Hershel HerskowitzMay 2, 2016 at 8:49 AM

    The only people I know that still believe that continued building of housing in Lakewood at the current rate is good, are either
    A: Builders
    B: People who have properties that benefit from the current nonsensical master plan(I am included in that group)
    C: People benefiting financially who are planning on moving anyway.
    Those that really love(d) Lakewood. Loved the Yeshiva community we once were, hate seeing all the Chillul Hashem caused by our reckless abandon of all propriety when it comes to zoning and planning, do not agree. All the problems we now have of true natural growth, which is people moving to neighboring towns, not being welcomed, is a direct result of the inconsiderate actions of a few of our leaders. Their shortsightedness and blind greed have caused a hard to repair Chillul Hashem that hiring 20 Rabbi Shafrans will not repair. My gut wrenches when I see all of the (pick a nearby town) Strong signs on lawns as I drive through any neighboring town.
    If you really cared about the future of your children, if you really want a peaceful vibrant Jewish community town, you need to understand that Unfettered growth does not lower housing costs, it just makes a place unliveable.
    I don't think any of us want to live in a town that we despise to live in no matter how inexpensive a townhouse is.
    I don't know your income level, and I don't know how many children you have, but I don't see the townhouses being marketed or even affordably priced for lakewood families.
    If you are simply arguing for arguments sake, fine. If you are arguing because you are one of the lucky few that benefits from the destruction of our town, then please write your name. Let's see who you are. Until then your comment is as worthless as the sentiment it rode in on.

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    1. I don't always agree with your priorities, but your are absolutely undeniably right about this.

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  10. I am acurtent resident for 35 years and my children are not,migrating ftom NY. They live here ajd nerd houses. Unless you believe we shouldn't have so many children.

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    1. If not for the mess in Lakewood, people would be able to move into surrounding towns without the strong opposition.

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  11. Our town has the population of a city, but not the skyscrapers or urban planning that usually goes into one. We will get there eventually....and probably painfully. Elizabeth, NJ has about 128 thousand people for comparison, so we are practically there.

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  12. you cannot build tall buildings in Lakewood by law because of Lakehurst airforce base in Jackson the planes come in low for landing there is a danger

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  13. I believe that towns current residents have more rights then your children. If you want to build houses for your children then you have to build the infrastructure to support the homes.

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  14. Attention all builders, developers, askonim etc. Please stop building more houses, i can't get anywhere in this town without experiencing traffic backups. I try making a right onto another dtreet only to find 20 people who thought of the same thing. This town does not have the infrastructure for this.

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  15. As long as we keep on voting in these clowns the problems will only get worse. Lakewood needs its own version of Trump.

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  16. Who gave all the complainers the right to build or buy their own houses. I lived here 25 years before they came. They came and caused traffic and noise for me. But that was ok because they needed a house for themselves even though it inconvenienced me. But now when i need a house for my children that were born wsy before these complainers moved here ,then all of a sudden I am causing traffic for them. Maybe they should move back to Brooklyn so my family can live without the traffic and noise they created. A bunch of hypocrites.

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  17. Mind you I have lived here for 29 yrs I have no problem with townhouses similar to the ones in the 6th 7th str area. The problem is all the new developments that spill onto rte nine or onto prospect and are causing a traffic nightmare

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  18. The issue in Lakewood is the same as in monsey and kiryas joel and williamsburg and other places with large charedi populations. Boruch hashem the charedi have many children leading to exponential growth. Unless we want people to have fewer children, which I don't think anyone wants, there will inevitably be severe problems of finding housing for all the growing population.

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  19. The issue in Lkwd KJ and Monsey is that the developers control the township and zoning boards making everyone elses life gehenom while they line their pockets. If anyone dares to go against them they quickly shut them down and spread rumors about them. Asa maase zimri vrutzim schar kpinchus.

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  20. Check out the Horrible article on Lakewood in the Philly .com news section for NJ

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  21. The entire Tri state area is being fed Misinformation by the media,APPress,(who are desparate to sell newspapers) and now the Philly papers are joining in, spreading lies and feeding every neo Nazi around more fuel for their senseless Hatred of us. Sunday,when Phiily .com wrote about Lakewood ,there were over 400 comments in less than a day full of Hateful Venom. When will we WAKE up (our leaders too)to what is going on around us?????or has the GAIIVA and GREED blinded some in this CITY?????

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    1. if it is all misinformation and lies, what does gaiva and greed have to do with it?

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