Monday, May 23, 2016

Door knocking for Bernie in Lakewood Westgate event

OFFICIAL EVENT Tuesday May, 24 Yusis deli 84 Hillside Lakewood, NJ 4-9 pm
You're invited to join your neighbors and supporters to knock on the doors of supporters and undecided voters. We'll provide you with a script, a list of voters that you'll be talking to, and a map of where to go.
We'll also train you to use your time effectively out in the field. You'll be able to talk to real people about how this country belongs to all of us, not just the billionaire class. Our victory starts with us knocking on doors together.

TIME: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM EDT
HOST: David Zachary
LOCATION: Yussis Deli  84 Hillside Blvd Lakewood, NJ 08701

154 comments:

  1. Talkin bout Westgate whatever happened with the shul been pretty quiet recently.

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    1. They succeeded in preventing the westgate shul project from going forward. They succeeded in making sure people have no place to daven. They succeeded that children will not come and sit next to their father in shul. They succeeded making sure people will continue to daven in hazardous conditions below ground. They succeeded in denying a ezras nashim for girls ladies and bubbies. They succeed in pirud and machlokes They succeeded in the mishna
      הקנאה והתאווה והכבוד מוציאים את האדם מן העולם.
      They did not succeed in fooling the hamon am in Lakewood as their actions were exposed for all to see
      עושה מעשה זמרי ומבקש שכר כפנחס

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    2. The Ropshitz mob said they are in favor of another shul but it must be built on their terms only and only when they decide meanwhile the stalling tactics have been going on for 3 years. now that they hired a lawyer to masser and stop the building they are walking around loud and proud patting themselves on their backs for a job well done, a true sdom experience except here it was unzereh who stopped it.

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    3. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 24, 2016 at 8:09 AM

      They succeeded in implementing law & order and hopefully albeit a bit late in Westgate .
      We also accomplished becoming mumarim & begeder moridin velo maalin to many so please remember to always watch your backs and carry a ladder there are a lot of meshugaim out there

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    4. ABE the Nazis YM"S also made order...You should be embarrassed!!

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    5. Mr Alumnai, perhaps you want to go around Lakewood and make order in all the shuls and yeshivas that are not up to code or dont have adequate parking or are near mikvaos. Years ago it was called Kristalnacht, Your concerns should be for all lakewood shuls and even in your heilige development of westgate there are shuls under ropshitz control that create traffic and danger to the pedestrians and close to the mikva. Why are your concerns only to one specific shul.

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    6. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 24, 2016 at 11:20 AM

      You probably were from the group that screamed "Nazi" at Rav Aharon Leib when he was in Monsey as well .
      I believe that there once was a group of Jews who tried to impose their will on the people , they were called the Biryonim . Perhaps you would like to open a new shul with that name so nobody will be left second guessing your intentions .

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    7. Exactly Tthat biryonim shul already exists in Westgate the ropshitz mob trying to impose their will on the people. Perhaps Nazi is a strong term but what do you call people who stop a shul deprive a father from bringing his children to shul and dont allow a place for frum Jews to daven.

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    8. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 24, 2016 at 5:38 PM

      You can`t call me the same name I called you .
      It`s bad writing and shows that you lack creativity .
      Please try another line of attack otherwise you are showing me that you are no more than a parrot and puppet

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    9. Law and order?
      I thought Westgate was rid of these "law and order" creeps already. We had a township inspector roaming the plaza reading all advertisements in order to rat out all home based businesses in Westgate. He caused alot of trouble until he died of unnatural causes.
      Ken Yoivdu kol Oivechah Hashem.

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    10. ABE you've used that exact same comment before too! Practice what you preach. Oops I forgot - you're from the people that go by "do as I say, not as I do"!

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    11. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 25, 2016 at 7:39 AM

      If I used it it is my line and therefore I can reuse it. However this is the first time i used the biryonim .
      It does not make me a puppet or a parrot . Anon, on the other hand is a mere sloth .
      Also, you have no compunctions calling other yidden "Nazi`s"?
      Are you demented or stam ignorant of history?

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    12. ABE, how about YOUR lack of compunction? You have no compunction not listening to a psak din? You have no compunction Bashmutzing a Rov? You have no compunction Forcing people to daven in oppressive conditions? You have no compunction Telling all manner of lies to further your agenda? You have no compunction Sticking out your chazir fiesselach pretending to be so ehrlech?

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    13. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors!!!!!

      No one can no the true motivation behind Machlokes Kinah and Kovod. These bullys are craving..... some simchas hacahaim as YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS...........

      If you don't believe it your a KOFER!!!!!

      Let me conclude every person knows what is going on at his home with the door closed to the public לב יודע מרת נפשו .
      We all have נסיונות, and we all know exactly what is own נסיון and how difficult it is to deal with our own cards.

      Why are we letting it out on a ציבור on a קהלה on a ביהמ"ד.

      Hashem gave us strength to overcome the Nisyonos that he gave us. but the נסיונות that we put ourselves into (even though we all "know" that it is לשם שמים ) we do not have the סייתא דשמיא to over come as it is evident in the WESTGATE ROPSHITZ מערכה Fight. The biggest names fell in. We daven every day ואל תביאנו לא לידי נסיון. The good Baal Agolah, the Good Rosh Hamosad, the Good Magid Shiur, the good Rebbi, the good Yungerman ,The good Teacher the good English Principle, The good Balon, the good business man, The good Rosh Yeshiva and his children, the good Baal Tfila, the good Baal Kore, The good Gabai Tzedoka, the good Gmach Holder, the good Baal Mussar, the good LCSW are all good to prevent the horses from falling and getting stuck in the snow once they and their horses fell in You can be the greatest IT IS TOO LATE. You shiewd your weakness.

      If you claim to be a tzaddik don,t forget שבע יפול צדיק and a real Tzaddik will be וקם . וקם שבע יפול צדיק וקם

      You are scoring points as long as this בלע את הקודש is happening.
      How many more צרות can we be סובל........



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    14. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 25, 2016 at 5:28 PM

      So memailah we call the other side "Nazi"????
      It`s something only a boor could do .
      Mamash unthinkable that a person who claims to be a ben aliya could degrade to almost the mem tes shaar hanivul
      & for good measure..................................................
      Oink Oink Oink !!!!!!!!!

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    15. ABE,as usual you have no argument and it stands on no merits. No one called anyone Nazi, your attempt to shift blame and deflect from the terrible avla that was done by the westgate maffia will fool no one. Your trying to paint others as a scapegoat for what you and your friends have done. look in the mirror, look at yourself look at the churban you created along with all the others on the westgate ropshitz payroll who have lost total control of themselves and fell in Just like adas korach.

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    16. ABE you can paint the picture in whatever beautiful colors and textures that you like but it will still be the ugliest picture.

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    17. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 26, 2016 at 8:01 AM

      Perhaps reading comprehension is not your thing so I will hold your hand and guide you .
      HaGaon Anon- 5/24 8:55 AM said "the Nazi`s also made ..."
      HaTzadik Anon- 5/24 10:48 AM said "Kristalnacht".
      Please let me know how I have twisted their words?
      I am just pointing out that the people advocating shoving a shul down everyone's throats are the same people who call others Nazi`s
      They also call women who show up to zoning hearing prutzos so I guess it`s just aveira goreres aveira.
      Since your a great reader , do you perhaps have another hesber?

      The Lubavitcher Rebbe called Rav Shach a mecharer riv as well.
      I am honored to be from Rav Shach`s machaneh .

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    18. ABE, Rav Shach would slap you in the face and put you in cherem for the chilul hashem and churban that you and your buddies have caused. Read it again ABE
      8:55 AM said "the Nazi`s also made ..."
      Did rav anon call you a nazi?? he compared an action that you said of making order to what the Nazis also said when they exterminated millions.. They also claimed to make order.But your twisted mind cant comprehend the shreklichah avla that was done in Lakewood preventing a shul from expanding denying children and fathers a place to daven.
      You can use words of "shoving a shul down everyones throat"
      Glad you are stuck behind a computer screen and not on a Bais Din because the BD deliberated this shul project over 2 years time after your buddies mandel, greenspan, agreed to go. The BD ruled in favor and said the shul can proceed your negius and blinders can not comprehend that. Instead you ignored the ruling and went to hire a lawyer but your a tzadik so you put it under Vogel, (Is that were L&R comes in?)Mordy weiss and the Rashkabahag of the Kletzk shul go running around schnorring from gevirim outside westgate to fight a shul while residents of westgate cant put bread on their table. Even Rabbi Zimball said both publicly and privately he has no objections to the shul on the contrary there is a great need for seats and shuls in West gate. But not to worry they have the backing of the rabbonim and askanim on their payroll who are beholden to them Rav Hisger,and others. In fact most of the misnagdim have a financial gain from the control of the ropshitz mob.

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    19. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 26, 2016 at 12:03 PM

      Rav Shach never slapped anyone in the face.
      Slapping people and calling them Nazi`s (or comparing their acts to Nazi`s Yemach Shemom) is below bnei torah standards.
      It is strictly a tactic used by Chasidim or Hungarians.
      Slapping another yid is beyond reprehensible yet to you it is as natural a reaction as pressing the gas when the light turns green .
      Nobody is denying anyone a chance to daven with their children .
      You , however , would like to build a shul on yenems pleitzas so your kids shouldn`t have to sit on yours .
      What tzidkus!!!!
      Oh how could i forget .. Oink Oink Oink !!!!

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    20. Where exactly does rabbi Zimbal stand in all this? If he's pro the shul going ahead why are his mispallelim not listening to him? The silence is deafening!

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    21. ABE just for your info, in the English language there's a difference between "your" (as in belonging to you) and "you're" (as in "you are"). In your last post you slipped up on this rule. For a person with YOUR mastery over the English language, s'pas nischt if YOU'RE not careful with this particular rule.

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    22. ABE slapping ppl and calling them nazis is below B'nei Torah standards, but bashmutzing a Rov, lying through your teeth, ignoring a psak din and putting down chassidim and Hungarians apparently all fall under the rules of B'nei Torah standards? Just clarifying.

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    23. ABE, Your vast knowledge in Jewish history and geography can be put to better use. Your brain unfortunately interprets things very literal you have a hard time understanding ststements. Perhaps if I told you I'm throwing a party for the tops hit mob you would scream ball rash his and Bizuy oil in for "throwing" a party. Back to the Inman who is yenems pleitzis? Can you explain something people bigger than you might not have picked up on? answer like a man does the peak of the BD mean absolutely nothing to you. sheker is a big aveira can you repeat your statement "nobody is denying anyone a chance to davenport With their children" can you say that with a straight face??.
      it's actually an the pleitzis of all the misnagdim that children can't daven in shul. Wonder how prospect park shul is are there enough seats there?

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    24. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 26, 2016 at 10:44 PM

      Anon 12:09 - The Rov is a Tzadiq who only wants sholom bein ish uvein achiv
      Anon 12:17 - Point well taken and your correct (just joking you`re correct) . I realized that mistake as well I guess I need a proofreader
      Anon 12:27- I have never bashmutzed any rov and the Chasidim & Hungarians take what I wrote as a compliment
      Anon 12:35 - I have written time & time again that if such an edifice is going to be made correctly I have no problem with it . I have no idea why you picked that shul as an example I have never even seen the place . But if it`s a shul that was built by builders for a development you can be sure that in 5 years there will not be enough room- dayge nisht .

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  2. Will there be Roshei Yeshiva and smiling askonim be in attendance?

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  3. Update:
    You're invited to join your neighbors and supporters to knock on the doors of supporters and undecided rabble rousers. We'll provide you with a script, a list of rabble rousers that you'll be talking to, and a map of where to go.
    We'll also train you to use your time effectively out in the field. You'll be able to talk to real people about how Westgate belongs to an exclusive few, and not just anyone can open a Shul as he sees fit. Our victory starts with us knocking on doors together.
    We will also provide you with a list of Rabbonim who support our cause and explanations how we can go against a psak din after requesting a din torah. Furthermore we will explain the importance how we must stop by nothing to stop this abomonation of a shul from being built.If you value the lives of your children and the modesty of your wives, make sure to join us! There will be free Chulent and Kishke and we will be honored with the presence of many Rabbonim including Rabbi Hissiger, Rabbi Halpern, Rabbi Finkel, Rabbi Fund, and Rabbi Krupenia among others. Hope to see you.
    Sincerely,
    Yechiel H.
    Chairman

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  4. corporate sponsors L&R landscaping, friends of westgate mayor, 323,the nameless committee behind Mr. Vogel, west gate mikva, Tuition collection LLC,

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    1. Mord Weiss was infortunately not able to attend, due to conflicting schedules, as he needed to attend the Roberts vort at TBY.
      During a press release he was quoted as saying; "in general I am a huge supporter of the "Bern", and a true believer of "all men were created equal, but some are more equal than others". My attendance at the Roberts vort was purely due to job obligation and should not be viewed as a possible ideological slide towards conservatism".

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    2. wonder if his shver Rabbi Rozansky from TBY supports his actions or his political affiliations.

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  5. ABE you claim that no one would slap someone else because it's a groise avairah. If that's the case, how do you explain that when someone (who's not even a mispallel by Rav Helberg) stood up for Helberg's shul in ropschitz, he was physically slapped by someone. How do you explain harah hagaon Rav cm mandel shlita, coming to Bais medrash d'kelm woods and being mevayesh someone berabim? There seems to be a different standard for your B'nei Torah than for the B'nei Torah everywhere else!

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    1. Mandel the Mouse, put out an official statement, apologizing for his loose tounge. Not that he feels he said something wrong, just the time and place could have been planned a bit better.

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    2. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 26, 2016 at 10:37 PM

      I will not go down the twisted path that you have taken and discuss people by name on a blog.
      How can you be such a slime bucket to malign someone by name and hide behind an Anon.
      If you`re going to be gavrah and single people out blog by name you need to go public as well.
      It`s just mentchlichkeit.
      No gavrah rabah ever hid behind an anonymous machaah.

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  6. ABE I guess people are hiding behind "anon" because they're scared that either they'll be slapped in public or someone will be mevayesh them in public. If it's happened before it can happen again. People are scared of the Westgate Maffia, and for good reason.

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  7. Harav Reb ABE, can you please list all shuls in Lakewood that you are ok with? a shul that is properly built according to your liking, please enlighten us with your architectural knowledge how a shul should be built.

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  8. Abe the olam is waiting for your proposal on what the shul should be and look like including size and minyanim times. Why are you procrastinating. Evrey day you do nothing is causing tzaar to the many mishpachos that need seats to daven.

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  9. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 27, 2016 at 7:32 AM

    Please first denounce Anon who singled someone out by name on a blog as a slime ball.
    Until then I don`t know if you are the same person and cannot honor you with a befitting response

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    1. ABE. anyone singled out are publicly fighting or being rodef BM of kelmwoods for 12 years no need to denounce anyone. HOw about YOU denounce 12 years of non stop redifos against an entire kehila Denounce the calling of A Rav and his brother as Avi and Pinny as the shigra delishna by the ropshits mob. or referring to the BM of Kelmwoods as a "church" and a place you cant walk into. Dont try to pretend that your the nirdaf when all along you and your ilk are rodfim and continue to be.

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  10. ABE, is someone hijacking your pen name? You claim to be on high moral ground, and would never mention a name on a blog. But you have no problem bashmuzing all Hungarians and Chasisdim. You are either dilusional or the biggest hypocrite ever. If I had to guess it most probably both.

    Nebech, you sound like a very bitter person who is still stuck in the fight between chasidim and misnagdim, Lubavitch and Reb Shach. I am going to daven that you should have a refuah shelema, not for your good, but for those around you who are suffering from your bitterness.

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    1. ABE how about the goons that go around bashmutzing "Avi" & "pinny"? Or the ones who don't listen to a psak din? Why are they not wrong in your ever so humble, unbiased, non critical, ehrliche opinion?

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    2. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 29, 2016 at 6:34 PM

      You guys are such nekievos . If you can`t say your name than seichel is mechayev you to give your name as well.
      That is if you are a mentch .
      But I guess that is the problem

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  11. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 27, 2016 at 12:28 PM

    Alas you didn`t see my response printed above .
    But it`s ok you can think what you want .
    Oink Oink Oink

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  12. Last weeks riddle. It has wings like a bird it flies like a bird it chirps like a bird it makes a nest like a bird. What is it?
    Answer: A BIRD

    This weeks riddle
    It fights synagogues, it prevent synagogues from being built, it cause hate among Jews, It claims Jews have no right to pray with their children, it was the biggest longest war in Lakewood yeshiva history, It smiles and claps in court when belittling a whole community with it is Rabbi. It rejoices when when their fellow friend and neighbor fall.
    Yet it claims to be righteous. WHAT IS IT?
    Answer next week

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  13. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 30, 2016 at 8:21 AM

    i don't know but the people on this blog who speak for the shul hide like girls behind anons while attacking ppl by name so they r probably patur from tefilla betzibur anyway that is unless Avi Weiss plans on opening up a shul in westgate

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  14. ABE,You did not answer a single point brought up. Your attempts at deflecting the issues are shallow and transparent. Stick to the issue at hand explain your opposition to the a shul or offer proposals that you feel are correct. And perhaps go get yourself a mirror cause it seems that you dont have one.

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  15. ABE how does such an ehrliche tzaddik as you know about Avi Weiss? Also, what happened to not mentioning people by name on a blog whilst hiding behind anon? "Alumni Beis Eliyahu" is exactly the same as "anonymous"! I guess you're just as much of a coward as you say everyone else is.

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  16. ABE I see you studiously avoided answering the post about someone being physically slapped in Ropschitz shul for defending Kelm Woods, but chose to latch onto the second part of the post that included the name of one of the "slime balls" (your expression not mine) who was mevayesh someone berabim. Are you really such a coward? Come on!!

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  17. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 30, 2016 at 11:00 AM

    I have answered all of the points that were brought up about topics.
    However after the nekievos and or krus shofchos of hemchuneh Anon May (pick ur time & day) attacked using names I have not felt them worthy of having their cowardly and slimy comments addressed.
    Anon May 30 , 2016 at 9:53 AM The Yated covers Avi Weiss extensively so I guess you have your head in the sand.
    The reference to Avi Weiss was not derogatory it was matter of fact.
    I didn`t accuse Avi Weiss of doing anything other than having his associates open a shul in Westgate if you feel that the word Avi Weiss is pejorative that`s your issue not mine.
    I am not nor have not attacked anyone . Since I have stuck to ideas I feel the blog is a good place to carry on this discourse .
    These Sarisim on the other hand have decided to use the blog as a vehicle to attack people. That, I think we all can agree is disgraceful .
    The mere fact that nobody else has renounced them is a tell tale of shallowness and greed .

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  18. ABE the fact that you're the only one who is convinced that you're the gresteh tzaddik in the gantze velt is extremely telling. As the saying goes, "self praise is better than none"!

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  19. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 30, 2016 at 2:08 PM

    And the fact that u can't denounce people who are spineless brings to mind the mamar hachochom "birds of a feather flock together"
    Oink oink oink

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  20. Seems the Westgate management has set a precedence about going to court vs beis din. Only difference is that they are upfront about it, while others first go to beis in and when it does not work for them than they go to court.

    The mangement claim that they are owned by a non-frum entity so they have no choice, while the others answer? I am not sure something to do with chasidim, hungarians, and nekeivos

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  21. And let's not forget most important of all, oink, oink, oink

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  22. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 31, 2016 at 7:10 AM

    For Clarification purposes:
    Chabad- Calling the use of law, order & tradition anti-Semitic
    Chasidim/Hungarian - slapping people is considered allright
    Nekievos/Sarisim- Hiding behind Anons while naming people on a blog

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  23. For clarification purposes:
    Alumni Beis Eliyahu - hiding behind pen name to cover his tracks
    Alumni Beis Eliyahu - sticking out chazir fiesselach to convince people that you're ehrlich
    Alumni Beis Eliyahu - stamping everyone down in order to get to the top
    Alumni Beis Eliyahu - calling other people "slime balls", "nekeivos", "chassidim", "Hungarians", all meant in a derogatory way
    Alumni Beis Eliyahu - doing everything l'shaim shomayim of course
    Alumni Beis Eliyahu - spinning the issues and drei'ing round them to avoid admitting you're 100% wrong

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  24. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 31, 2016 at 10:59 AM

    Anon, you are so creative!
    Oink Oink Oink

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  25. ABE-You were challenged many times but have not once explained what right you and the Ropshitz mob have,led by roshei mosdos rabbonim and others, in denying a shul to be built after the Bais Din looked into all the issues and gave approval. You nebach have a machla of control and of kinah that is eating you up from inside cut it out before it will consume you.

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  26. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 31, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    I challenged many Anons in many areas and have not been answered.
    Does that make them caught up in kinah ? Are they also control freaks?
    Please , I would like to hear how you assess these Anons.

    Oink Oink Oink

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    1. Anon ABE- no one has to answer up to you. It was your buddies that hired a lawyer to fight and stop a shul going against a psak din. YOU are the RODFIM here YOU are the MOSRIM You are the ones that will have to give a din vecheshbon for this chilul hashem preventing a makom Torah utefilah, for denying parents and children a place to daven. What the westgate maffia did is Rishus that Lakewood has not seen. You went against your own Rav Harav Zimball who said the shul should be built to accommodate the growth in westgate. YOU are the ones that need to answer up.

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  27. Incidentally, rabbi Zimbal is supposed to have promised a letter stating his unequivocal support for the Kelm woods shul. It would be great if someone could post a copy of the letter on this blog so that ABE and his buddies could see for themselves that rabbi Zimbal is 100% in favor of the shul, and they won't be able to spin out of the issue any more.

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  28. The day that letter happens masiach wii come

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  29. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 31, 2016 at 4:22 PM

    If nobody has to answer to me why do I need to answer to anyone?
    I repeat, build the shul . Just do it responsibly not like a bunch of Anon's with discard for others quality of life
    Hey new name for the expansion- Bnei Anon!!!
    Oink oink oink

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  30. ABE everyone is answering you loud and clear. You're just choosing to bury your head in the sand and pretend not to hear us. I believe the Beis din and rabbonim and engineers etc all took your quality of life, including:
    Mikveh noshim
    Traffic
    Tznius
    Safety
    Parking
    and all other areas of concern, both real and imaginary, into consideration!

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  31. Alumni Beis EliyahuMay 31, 2016 at 8:33 PM

    I do not have to agree to that assumption

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  32. Which assumption anon Abe? It's a known fact that beis din settled this whole thing. But some people think they know better. You claim to have answered all points. But besides for calling names and quoting Reb shachar and the villa gaon, you still have not answered why you did not listen to beis din and went to court when you didn't get your way.

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  33. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 1, 2016 at 8:45 AM

    I am not whom you think I am .
    I never went to court for anything and I never did not listen to any beis din.
    I am mere very disappointed in your ability to think that anyone who opposes the shul is anything but a quasi Nazi. In addition your referring to real names creates an environment of division that only deepens the rift. Hence I used appropriate adjectives. Are you still upset?

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    1. Abe you ate a riot. Proper adjectives.chasidim,hungarians,nekeivos, sorisim. And BTW you are who I think you are.

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    2. Dido abe annon. We know who you are. A bitter egoistic self centered chazir. Same for all those who are defending ropshitz. If you were to be honest about it, anyone who has real concerns about the Shul only has ropshitz to thank for this not being able to be dealt with in a normal fasion.

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  34. So ABE let's get this clear. You are opposed to Ropshitz going to court after losing in Beis din?

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  35. And ABE you agree that the Beis din went through all the issues that people brought up that they felt were problematic?

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  36. Abe the division was caused by non others than those who opposed be of Kelmwoods from the get go. When 2 faced yussel tried stopping a defer to rah campaign that was division. When 39 Kletzk has weekly bull sessions spewing hate about avi and Pinny and a entire kehila,that's division, when rebettzins make phone calls asking ladies to come fight a shul and schnorr money for a lawyer, that's division, when NH bashmutzes BM of Kelmwoods luring mispalelim away to get membership money, that's division, When the prospect rav denies seats and a place to daven in the name of traffic, almana, and mikva yet never once brought up these concerns with neighboring shuls under maffia rule that have the same issues, that's division, when ladies associated with BMW of Westgate have priority appointments at the Westgate mikva but all others have to wait for late appointments at 1am or go outside Westgate, that's division. When the day as are stopped leaving many without food or rent that's Rush us and Division. When rav Malkiel is lied to through gabbaim or trusted confidants to paint a favorable picture for ropshits, that's sheker and division. When a lawyer was hired to masser on a property where a shul wants to build, That's mesira and division. When a psak din is ignored that's a chilul hashem too. When neighbors can't look each other in the eye for what was brought on by the first settlers and pioneers of Westgate that is machlokes for their own power and kavod. When there is not enough seats in all souls and WG is bursting yet the ropshitz mafia will fight so yenem should not have a shul that's midas sdom. Not to mention the disregard to their own Rav R zimbal who said the shul should be built yet he knows if he stands up to them it will probably cost him his job. On top of all this the miabagdim expect kavod and Chad veshalom someone point out the truth. Chazal said it for us Oise maaseh zimri umeakshin schar kpinchos.

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    1. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 1, 2016 at 6:21 PM

      Or maybe the layer found out some truth that nobody wanted to know.
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  37. All the all the above is so true! Thank you for spelling it out so clearly that even the ostriches can understand. Let's see how our ehrliche ABE spins out this one!

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    1. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 1, 2016 at 6:23 PM

      You mentioned names again and brought up something that had haskamas hakahal are you all there ?

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    2. Please elaborate "what had haskamas hakahal"

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    3. Haskamas hakahal= The rigged elections for westgate vaad members
      Haskamas hakahal+ bully threten and terrorize anyone who does not tow the Rpschitz line. So sad there are many closeted BM Kelmwoods suporters who daven at ropshitz but are scared to support or be vocal for fear of the Westgate mobsters from Kletz, Jule, NOrthcrest and even Kelmwoods. But hey thats all called behaskamas hakahal.

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  38. NO Rav gave a heter for the Lawyer the mushchasim from Ropshitz were not man enough to put the lawyer under their name so they got this Vogel from Prospect were apparently L&R landscaping keeps trucks there(Surprising that L&R got involved here yet does the landscaping for BMG) Should we say every MOSER finds truth that nobody wants to know!!!!! you should be ashamed of yourself stop while your ahead.

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  39. Having a different opinion than Mr. Yoffe or Pinny Helberg means you're a mushchas, you're "oiseh maase zimri" and we're even Nazis!!! I guess the comments made by rabbi Helberg months ago that we are mizerah amalek was pretty tame.

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    1. Since when is rabbi Helberg "Avi" and reb pinchos "pinny"? Are you that immature that you have to resort to petty name calling?

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    2. I didn't call Rabbi Helberg Avi and besides it's your people that are doing the name calling like Nazis, Mosrim etc etc and like I said even your rabbi himself called us mizera amalek so I think it's pretty clear who's doing the name calling.

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    3. Noch a sheker! Rav Helberg quoted the ohr gedalyahu at some point, and you chose to davka take the quote out of context and publicize it in your consistently twisted fashion.

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    4. Say what you want but despite you and him denying it it has been confirmed that Rabbi Helberg called the people opposing the building of his shul Mizera Amalek. Not taking anything out of context, just quoting your rov.

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    5. Confirmed by who exactly? Rabbi Helberg stood up more than once and told his mispallelim point blank that ״זה קלי ואנוהו״ and please make sure not to fan the flames of machlokes. You can blame who you want but to blame the Rov is not fair!

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    6. Keep on lying no one called u nazis or zera Amalek. but when your desperate to cover up your sins and bad middos you twist statemants and words to try to paint Yemen as shlecht. it's called projection it's hard to swallow but no one is sympathetic to you and no one believes your lies. All you hear from Ropshits is they called us Nazis and Amalekis how terrible. someone comes to kill you and he gets yelled at, he complains that he was called a name! It's laughable but that's exactly the behavior of the moisrim Rosfim and shlechteh mentchen of sdom residing in Westgate.

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    7. Noone called us Nazis??? Just read all the comments here. We're not looking for sympathy, it's you guys who lost badly who are desperately looking for sympathy. As far as the rov, I understand it's hard for you to hear but it's been confirmed by people that were there that he said that and it's YOU and HIM that are lying!

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  40. Oh and we're mosrim too, is there anything we are not? Do you guys even know why we oppose the building of the shul there? Did you ever try to sit down and go thru it with one of the "Nazis" who oppose it or do you do Helberg style where we make minced meat out of them without ever trying to have dialogue but then when the Helbergs see they are losing suddenly they want to talk to the "Nazis who are also Mizerah amalek"

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  41. Now we're Nazis, mosrim, mushchasim, and probably some other nice names I missed. All this why? Because we dared to have an opinion other than the Helberg clan and the interesting thing is the Helbergs were never willing to discuss the issue and don't yell back that they went to rabbanim because that was only after they were stopped the first time in the township and after months of them refusing to talk or even go to rabbanim. The din torah was one big joke for many reasons, one being that there was never even a time that the 3 rabbanim sat together and listened to both sides of the story and not all the rabbanim even knew that they were part of this 3 man "Bais Din". After the whole din torah the Helbergs changed the plans and then when we went back to the rabbanim we got yelled at that it's none of our business why they are sticking to their psak without even considering that major changes were made etc. I don't know about you but in my book that is not a din torah, it's called "Lakewood style din torah aka dictatorship".

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    1. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 2, 2016 at 8:13 AM

      He was referring to himself as the "Nazi" ym"s since that is how they were coined by the Anon`s.
      Please first read and then shoot .
      Otherwise nobody will value your opinion

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    2. The din Torah was a joke but the Westgate elections that was all above board.

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    3. Dictatorship? Got screamed at, terrible? Your totally meshuga. You go to a beis din you don't listen and you want kovod for it noch de tzu.

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  42. That is total sheker! Rabbi Zimbal promised a letter showing his support for Helberg's shul, which has yet to materialize. Rabbi Helberg and his choshuve brother rev pinchos went out of their way to work this out b'shalom, but were shot down by the Maffia every chance they had. The Maffia went behind the Helberg's back and lied, twisted and destroyed any chance of shalom.

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    1. The westgate mobsters belittle their own Rav, In the words of one of the big Mobsters of ropshitz "Rabbi Zimball is our employee he works for us just like our Janitor" This from the mouth of an executive director of a mossad.

      Not only are the ropshitz maffia mosrim but now borderline apikorsim with total diregard to dinei torah and psak din. You can be a chosuv Daf Yomi Maggid shiur or a Rav with a long beard, but when your kinah and negius overtake you you sink to the lowest of the low. Your actions of 12 years of redifos have been exposed for the world to see. The olam in Lakewood has a very clear picture of the hashchasa and rishus thats been perpetrated by the westgate vaad maffia and bullies. YOur attempts to distort and lie will fool no one. Rav Helberg offered many olive branches to accommodate all concerns but the poers in ropshitz decided not to because they want him and his kehilla to be destroyed. Pitty the olam in Prospect park who will want to expand their shul soon what will their concerned Rav say?? The Toras Menachem dinner is coming up very nice to build one mosad while helping stop another one. You are Mosrim apikorsom and Rashaim for what you have caused and continue to do. How can the Bais Havvad employ someone who fought against a shul???

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  43. They went out of their way to do this bshalom? Really? Like when they send people to terrorize others (at midnight) that dared to have an opinion other than theirs or not willing to talk to the others, is that what you call Shalom? I wasn't aware that preemptively calling others who have a different opinion than you is called going out of your way to keep shalom.
    And btw those low lives who went to terrorize people at their homes at midnight also went to Rabbi Zimbal and were yelling at him like chayos.

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  44. Come on, that's all we are? Just Mosrim, apikorsim and reshaim? Can't you think of anything else? Don't be easy on us please, let it all out!

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  45. ABE might as well call yourself Baghdad Bob, You can try to spin the truths or lie straight up, it wont work. Finally people stood up to the rishus and redifos by the wetgate mob against the BM of Kelmwoods and its mispalelim. Its a hard fact for you to face since the mafia was never stood up to. Years of protektzia through the westgate mayor, and other askanim to Mayor Miller, township officials and big honchos at BMG are unraveling very fast. This is typical of a Rodef when he is caught and confronted to try to portray oneself as a nirdaf and victim. Sorry, but that wont fly. Your dismal attempts at trying to point to technicalities with the psak din or that uve been called names will not turn away the attention or hide the honest naked truth. You have been fighting against BM of Kelmwoods from day 1. That is a cold hard fact. all your nonsense you can save and bring up after 120 to defend your actions.

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  46. Looks like ABE annon went annon. I Don't think there can be 2 people so deranged and illusional.

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  47. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 2, 2016 at 9:25 AM

    No problemo .
    Think what you want .
    Oink Oink Oink

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    1. yes myself and the rest of anyone who knows whats going on (and does not have a specific interest here) think what we want. That is the realization to what depths people who claim to be bnei torah can fall to.
      We look at you and your ilk, and can only wonder how you act at home to your wife, children, chaverim, employers, employees..nebech on all those that have anything to do with you.

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  48. Well it's very easy to debunk your comment because I like many others who have since left was a supporter and mispallel of BM Of Kelmwoods for many years until I saw the truth about you guys so nice try.

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  49. And right back to you.many mispallelim left ropshitz after getting sick of these controlling power seeking chazerim.

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  50. Well if you guys have room for people leaving Ropshitz like you claim why do you need a 14,000 square foot building??? The few times I have walked in to BM of KW recently there was more than enough room. If you're so concerned about a lack of shul space in Westgate which there is no doubt that it's a problem in Ropshitz why don't you go advocate for Westgate to open up more shuls especially the ones that are already built and they must be saving for the einom yehudim that they started renting to lately.

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    1. But somehow you are still petrified of the traffic. You are from the priveleged that can have it both ways.

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  51. What's "the truth about you guys"? What truth? Who's doing what, that you don't like? It's not fair to leave cryptic clues!

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    1. Anon June 2 9:28, you still haven't explained your cryptic remarks about "I saw the truth about you guys". It's unfair to expect people to change their behavior if you don't clearly explain what said behavior is. Come on, don't be afraid! You're anonymous anyways!

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    2. Btw what time is Am mekadshei sheveii this week? You guys need your rov to tell you to learn? On ropshitz we don't have seder whoever is big enough to come learn comes to learn.

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    3. How low can you stoop? Why are you making fun of am mekadshei shvii? Making fun of the shuls programs show that a) you feel threatened by the shul because it's not under your control, and b) you're fighting is totally not l'shaim shomayim. If it would be l'shaim shomayim you wouldn't be going around bashmutzing Rabbi Helberg or Reb Pinchos. The only reason rabbi Zimbal's name came up is because he promised a letter showing his support for the proposed shul and it never materialized. Being that rabbi Zimbal is known as a tzaddik and a man of word, one can only assume that the powers that be threatened to terminate his job or harm him in some other way if he dared produce such a letter. Nebbach! Another example of kavod harabonim.

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  52. google hissiger lakewood, 4th result

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  53. No one said we have room for the people who left ropschitz! It was simply pointed out that people left ropschitz because they didn't like the control seeking people there. The person wasn't a coward, and stated clearly what behaviors in ropschitz people don't like! None of the opposers to Rav Helberg's shul have been man enough to clearly state what behaviors are bothering them in Beis medrash D'Kelm wpoods

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  54. we do not have room, but they are willing to squeeze in with us, as long as not to have to suffer with the sickos. we take them in like all good countries do under the refugee law.

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  55. The bottom line is you guys lost but it seems like you can't handle the loss. You guys are acting like a child who gets punished and walks away kicking and screaming calling everyone every name in the books. Get over it and move on.

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  56. Actually you lost in Beis din but you couldn't handle it so you opposed it in court. There is nothing you won't stop at it seems.

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    1. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 2, 2016 at 5:44 PM

      again this is your version of the story
      But please explain to us why in your version u won in Beis din and lost in court? Does Beis din have a right to zone properties?
      Please fill me in on the missing link
      Much appreciated

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    2. It's impossible to fill you in on the missing link because your brain is so full of kinah, sinah and gaavah that it won't support anything else.

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    3. Beis Havard (greenspan) issued an ikul on alumni after zoning cleared it. Why don't you ask him/them if beis din can paskened on these issues.

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    4. Ikul was on Avreichim goog going, Bais Havaad, issue a IKUL on a shul because a big askan pressures you. Now you know why everyone is running away from Lakewood botei din

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    5. Well in this case the Ropshitzes requested beis din. So they weren't running away. The. When they lose they say corruption. As was mentioned some people can have it both ways. They don't see that everyone who sees what's going on despises them.
      I am starting to think that you were right for thinking of yourselves as amalek.

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    6. Who lost in court? This is just starting. Keep and doing what your doing and your kids will not get shidduchim.

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    7. I'll repeat myself for those who didn't get it the first time. You lost and can't build your building and the irony of is the reason you can't build has nothing to do with our opposition but because it's illegal so stop blaming us!!!

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    8. No please I'm scared. What can I do now for you to take back that threat?

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  57. Let's look at your "win" There is a reason velamalshinim is said 3 times a day. You seem to be proud of your Mesira.
    Children stay home and can't come to shul because of your "win".
    A machlokes that Lakewood has not seen because of your "win"
    Preventing a makom Torah utefilla because of your "win"
    Preventing souls from being built in Jackson, Toms River and elsewhere because of your "win"
    Ignoring A psak from Bais din making a mockery of the Torah because of your "win"
    This will be a stain on you and your family forever.
    You can wear it as a badge of honor for stopping and fighting a shul.
    You earned yourselves a special place in Gehenom because of Your "win".
    Congratulations!

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    1. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 3, 2016 at 6:51 AM

      That is your personal view of what a moiser is.
      I happen to disagree .
      Now, how can we learn to live together?


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    2. Now lets look at your win!
      We created a machlokes that's never been seen in Lakewood???
      Again who is calling who reshaim, mosrim, mushchasim, apikorsim, and even Nazis???
      Preventing a makom torah utefilla???
      That's one of the biggest lies you guys spread, we have no problem with you building a shul. What we do have a problem with is building a 14,000 square foot building at that location and right next door to a mikva.
      And I will remind you that from day one it was us that was not only willing to talk/negotiate but we tried reaching out to your "Rov" to talk but HE refused because we were mizera amalek so I can't blame him for not talking to us. We didn't ignore any psak din, everyone knows very clearly that the psak din did NOT say that we can't make our voices heard at the township hearing.
      Last but not least stop blaming toms river and Jackson on us as you know what stupidity that is.

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  58. You did ignore a psak din, sorry you can not white wash that one. Rabbi Forsheimer had to go and leave a message for the whole westagte reiterrating the psak becuase the reshaim denied it.

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  59. "we have no problem with you building a shul. What we do have a problem with is building a 14,000 square foot building at that location and right next door to a mikva."

    Can you say that with a straight face? the mikva was dealt with by Chaim Mordechai Mandel on behalf of the westgat shul and vaad so thats out. as far as building the BD agreed on it can be built, Can Mordy Weiss say this with a straight face? what right so all those who live in Jule have to come oppose the shul?? why did they show up at the township against the psak of rabbi Forcheimer??

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    1. Absolutely I can say it with a straight face. Do you want me to repeat myself?
      Again going to the Township was NOT against any psak from rabbi Forcheimer despite you guys spreading that lie.

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    2. you have a great poker face. everyone heard Rabbi Forcheimers message.

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    3. Wow a Nazi with a poker face, nice!

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    4. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 3, 2016 at 9:02 AM

      Noch ahn Ingreshe turned Yeshivish
      Mistama you think Rav Shach also called people Nazi.
      Nebbach oif unzereh dor

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    5. no this one is yeky actually.

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  60. re mekadshei shevii. At least our rov is being mekadesh shem shomayim by being marbeh torah. as oppose to some rabbonim wh are just hired to be puppets and cower in the corner and are held hostage by their mispallelim.

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    1. He's being marbeh torah? He's also being marbeh machlokes!!! Rabbi Zimbal is a tzadik as everyone knows, you guys are the only people in the world that can dislike someone like Rabbi Zimbal. The very fact that you guys write and talk the way you do about Rabbi Zimbla says a lot about you.

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    2. I'm wondering if Rabbi Helberg got a heter from R Matisyahu to use the internet and blogs to bashmutz people on a level that's never been seen before and this is of course by "BNEI TORAH who's ROV is MARBEH KVOD SHAMAYIM"

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    3. Rabbi Zimbal is a tzadik and hes petrified of his job as he was thretened bu his own mispalelim from the Ropshitz mob. He said the BM of kelmwoods should be built he even promised to write a letter in support (which has yet to come. On the other hand Rav Helberg spoke numerous times about not fanning any flames of machlokes. Never before have frum people opposed a shul in this manner when there is no place for them to daven. Its hard to face the fact but the entire town of lakewood has now been informed and now knows what the westgate mofia has been doing all these years. Stopping all shuls not under their control even if it means that fathers and children must daven at home!!!Years of redifos against-
      Rabbi Oelbaum
      Rabbi Flamm
      Rabbi Walkin
      Rabbis Helberg
      Lutzk members moving to westgate
      Mispaleli Kelm woods
      And even Rav Vercheleiser a yid whose not well and needed a late minyan in his own home due to health reasons was forced to daven early because it dosent pass that there should chas veshalom be a 9 o'clock minyan shabbos morning under the Rpschitz rule. Mesira, chilul hashem is ok. Having ladies get late mikve appointments because they are not members of Ropshitz is ok. But chas veshalom a 9am minyan shabbos morning!!! Tzvuim!

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    4. It's actually your ROV Hagaon Hatzadik Rabbi Helberg that wouldn't even talk to Rabbi Verchleiser when he needed a favor from him when building his shul. You guys are amazing what how you turn the tables. Can you please backup your claims of redifos against all the people you mentioned because it's absolutely blatantly false and there is no evidence of that. Besides that the opposition to the building of your 14,000 square foot building has nothing to do with what you call redifos against Rabbi Helberg and his people all the years, despite you trying to tie the 2 together it has nothing to do with what you call "the ALTE MACHLOKES" and proof to that is the fact that people who never opposed the shul in the past and even people who supported it oppose this building. Maybe if you would stop yelling Nazi you would hear what other people are saying but it's easier to play the underdog card and yell how unfair it is that you're nebuch victims of Mamash Nazis in 2016.

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    5. Patently false, they did indeed find 1 or 2 new nochzoggers, but the main koach was people who have been making noise for years and years.

      It is not my style to say names, but if you push me I might just.

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    6. Anon 8:24
      Since when is Avi V the askan a Rabbi, after years of trying to stop BM of Kelmwoods reaching out to Danny Rottenberg and others in power to stop the shul i wouldn't call that Rabbi? Do you know the facts of what happened? Rav Helberg as i understand said he first has to get his approvals before he can talk to others about the property. so now im sure everyone is happy because now no one can build. Unless he will use his connections on the newly appointed master-plan committee and change rules like always, there are 2 sets of rules.

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  61. The biggest misnaged to BM of kelmwoods the executive director of a mossad has often said about his own rav "Rabbi Zimbal is our worker he's hired just like our janitor"
    why dont you take it up with him first about kavod for rabbonim.

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  62. I'm not here to defend a comment made by someone else which I don't believe he said but that doesn't justify what you guys are doing.
    I can say one thing with all the tragedies that have befallen Westgate over the years the name calling and the personal insults coming from your side is nothing less than shocking and despicable and it's not possible to live in peace with such people.

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    1. Did you speak up all the years when Rav Helberg and his brother were constantly bashmutzed by the westgate vaad mob? caling them Avi & Pinny and their BM a church? did you make a machha about the name calling emanating from Kletzk shtteble? NO You were silent!!! because you got away with it and nobody knew, Welcome to the new reality the playing field has changed.

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    2. I never heard anyone calling Rabbi Helberg Avi, I never heard anyone call BM of KW a church and I never heard any other name calling. Pinny is not name calling it's how you say his name fondly.

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    3. I gues just like someone would call your rov yossi I guess.

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    4. Just like you would say Yossi fondly.

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    5. You never called reb pinchos pinny before this and you obviously aren't too fond of him so stop saying that calling him pinny is out of fondness. You're more transparent than glass.

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  63. At anon June 3 7:45 AM
    WOW!! unbelievable achzariyus

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  64. seems some people are getting very uncomfortable here. for years and years they thought they had a free pass but they suddenly don't have it anymore. please go easy on them, they are not used to being taken to task.

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    1. Nobody is getting uncomfortable it's just hard to watch the way you guys behave. We're big boys we can handle it.

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    2. I get it, it totally does not bother you, you poshut feel bad for us. ye.

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  65. For all those that are really concerned about all the bashmutzing going on, time to realize that it will not stop until the court case is dropped. as simple as that.
    For those who thought you can do your damage, then go back into your corner and laugh about it with your buddies and regale in your "win" as you so eleloquently called it.
    No , you will be despised, and belittled, and your true colors will be shown, mefarsemin oisei averah. We put up with your hashcasah for long enough, no more, sorry. your day has come. If you think this is bad, you should only know what is being witheld, hopefully it will not come to that.

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    1. There is no court case to drop, it's not us stopping you it's the law! We can't drop anything, we can't tell the zoning board we are so afraid of what you guys are withholding that they should let you build illegally

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    2. Alumni Beis EliyahuJune 3, 2016 at 9:08 AM

      Why are the nebbach nerdafim scared of a court case?
      Can one of them please explain?
      I will help you out first say . Dear Nazi Moiser Ferd Kamtzan Litvak MeShucad Ganzlan Mushchis Mamzer MeZera Amamlek etc
      The reason why we feel that the court findings are unjust is because -now you do the rest--- signed the nirdafim haroitzim BeAnon shemom

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    3. abe annon - you finally came to the realization of your true essence and are proud to go by it. but it sounds better when the praise comes from other people.

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  66. so fogel=levy=ropchitz, did not hire the lawyer? hard to change history especially when it is on video and documented.

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  67. Please please Laman Hashalom and as a zechus for those injured in an accident last night in Lkwd can we stop all this fighting and negativity. Mods can you close it down. Thank you shabbos shalom.

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  68. What about also worrying about the people who are being injured by the opposers of the shul?!

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