Tuesday, April 5, 2016

Planning board agenda 4/5/16

 PUBLIC HEARING- updated: Westgate shul postponed
1. SP 2150 Wawa Lakewood, LLC
 Route 9 and Prospect Street Blocks 420; 420.01, Lots 16; 12, 14, & 23
Preliminary and Final Major Site Plan and Subdivision for a convenience store
and gas station
2. SP 2047 Congregation Olam Chesed Inc
 Hillside Boulevard Blocks 11.12, Lot 25
Preliminary and Final Major Site Plan for a proposed synagogue
3. SP 2163 The TTY Foundation
 Cross Street Block 439, Lot 20
Preliminary and Final Major Site Plan for an addition to the existing school and a new dormitory

4. SP 2164 Congregation Chateau Park
 Pine Boulevard Block 430, Lots 4 & 50
Preliminary and Final Major Site Plan for a synagogue
5. SP 2174AA Congregation Ohr Yisroel
 Neiman Road Block 251.02, Lot 28
Change of Use/Site Plan Exemption to convert existing home into a school 

41 comments:

  1. Why is westgate shul hearing postponed again?

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  2. just watch the antisemitic board in Ocean Twshp will approve a mako Torah faster than our planning board.
    The enemy from within is always harder to neutralize.

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  3. At least if it's goyim you can call it anti Semitic. What are you supposed to call it when it's frum yidden?

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  4. Its time for Mayor Menashe miller to forget about neighboring townships and write a letter about what is going on in Lakewood stopping shuls fighting against mosdos etc..f

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  5. members of the "Stop The Shul" campaign joined together with the "Westgate Strong" campaign, with the support of their Rabonim, are insisting on preventing this project from being approved.
    Although it was already paskened in Bais din, these wannabes guided by jealousy and kavod, feel that they know better.

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  6. The applicant requested it to be postponed, can't blame the "mafia" on this one.

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    1. applicant asked it be postponed because the opposition has so far not backed down from their mesirah, and didn't dismiss their lawyer.
      velamalshinim al tehI Tikvah

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    2. Well apparently their lawyer has a valid claim, from watching the video of the proceedings (and not really knowing what the claim is) it seems that that space was supposed to be open area and belong to the HOA, now Rottenberg wants to give it to his shvugger Helberg, why should that be allowed? If it's not legal you can't cry "mafia" or "mesira".

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    3. No one cares about open space thats were mesira comes in bringing up something thats questionable just to stop a shul. The Mushchasim who are fighting the shol were all exposed when they offered to stop the opposition if yechiel H... and others are placed on the board of Rav helbergs. shul. This has nothing to do with mikva or traffic or open space its all some sick individules who want control and are driven by kinah and sinah. For 12 years they have nothing to show except fighting others. Why is Lutzk exploding why are so many "non Lutzk" type of mispalelim going there? How about the nearby Carlbach minyan? Its sad that we live on this world once for a short time and all the energy is put to fight against a shul under false pretenses. The bluff was called when some good hearted people tried to negotiate all the truth came out. Its not the size of the blding either which the mushchasim faught when it was smaller. They have been fighting and creating machlokes for 12 years. Some of them even moved out to Jule, Cory acres and surrounding areas ,yet are very active in fighting the shul.

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    4. anon 3:19 am
      not sure what you are smoking.
      Helberg is Rottenburgs shvugger? Helberg is R' Malkiel and R' Mattisyahu's shvugger, and they are both Rottenburgs shvuggers thru a match made in dreamland...
      Get the facts straight. R' Helberg aquired this property fair and square in 2009, not from Rottenberg. Does not belong to home owners association. These things are public record.

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    5. so you agree that it's illegal, and you just don't care?

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    6. Its mesirah because the land use issue is not something that affects anyone. R' Helberg can legally fence in the whole 5 acres as his own backyard (except for a small portion that utilities have easements on).
      The township has in the past gotten rid of open space restrictions for reasons like benefiting a well connected developer, or to expand a supermarket (and the list goes on but I am not interested in exposing it all at this time). Without a lawyer's opposition the serious public need for this shul would definitely be within the township's character to grant the approval necessary. That is why it's mesirah.
      After 120 these individuals will need to answer why they poured money into fighting a shul while their neighbors had a hard time putting bread on the table.
      their excuse of less aim shamayim will be laughed at, since it was all paskened in Bais din. If this bais din were to paskened for them on end of life issues, hilchas niddah, or any other big decisions, they wouldn't second guess the psak. this is obviously a kinnah sinah kavod motivated cause.

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    7. Btw since when are Danny rottenberg and rabbi Helberg schvuggers?!

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    8. They collected money from residents outside westgate to fund the lawyer to fight the shul. There are hundreds of aniyim in westgate who cant cover the month, they cant pay rent, literaly cant put bread on the table but the maffia like the ones in North Korea care only about themselves, People starve but they will pool money to fund a campaign to fight a shul for their own kavod. Not to mention the fact of the legal fees forced and incurred on BM of Kelmwoods not a wealthy shul at all,as a result of the westgate mafia.

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  7. At least you're agreeing that there's a Maffia! Btw, why exactly do you think the applicant asked for a postponement? Because the mafias farfeering in many different ways, and the rabbonim are acting (or rather not acting) as they usually do!!

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  8. Aniyim in WG?? what are u smoking? there is bh enough to go around all you have to do is pay membership and you get financial help, among other perks. The Rav in PP spoke by Adopt A Kollel how we are better off than those living in Israel.

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  9. Jule, Cory, Gudz is all an extension of westgate. Those who live there daven in the westgate shul, obviously they have a right to membership even though they dont physicaly live in WG. The former Mayor of WG moved out but he is still the de facto Mayor and has the ear of Mayor Miller who has been surprisingly silent on this travesty in his own district. Mayor Miller was very vocal about Toms River, why would he stick his nose there.

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    1. Alumni Beis EliyahuApril 6, 2016 at 9:57 AM

      Let us all remember this Pesach to sit around the Yom Tov table and belittle rabbonim and other yidden who don`t think likewise. It`s a special chelek of chinuch habonim , oneg Yom Tov and for the very lucky among us even a cheliek of their mesora

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    2. We will also have a new kavana when we say Vehi Sheamdah sh'bchol do Vidor omdim aleinu lechaloiseinu. Those that fight against shuls those that threaten ppl who don't tow the mafia line. Those that keep hundreds in Basement Shuls in sub human conditions just to feel superior over others. Those who talk bad about a rav and his entire kehilla painting them as perverts. Those who deny a place for children from davening with their father..those who hide behind nameless rabbonim..
      The list is long but than we won't make afikoman by chatzos

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    3. Alumni Beis EliyahuApril 6, 2016 at 4:53 PM

      I knew you were going to say that . You`re so predictable .
      Your kids are so lucky to have you as a mechanech . Apparently photography is only your side job

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    4. WELCOME BACK A.B.E hope all is well we missed you here seems like your controllers let you loose again, glad that your back .

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    5. Agent Cogent to the rescue, resolving conflicts between Tatty #1 and Tatty #2, with the wisdom of Shlomo Hamelech.

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    6. Maybe it's time for ABE to just grow up already and get the help he needs for all his complexes and insecurities. They've obviously festered over time and are all consuming! If anyone has extra money after contributing towards the lawyer fees, please put it in alumni Beis Eliyohus locker to help him pay for help. Tizku lemitzvos and don't kaaag - remember it's all leshaim shomayim!!!

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    7. Alumni Beis EliyahuApril 7, 2016 at 8:27 AM

      Let me see times ABE ever insulted a rav or talmid chochom on this blog = Zero.
      Times done by the Anons= too many to count.
      But as I am still waiting for Anon 4:01 (whose life has been enhanced as he now knows the meaning of the word cogent a feat that his HS teacher could not accomplish) to give me Hatzala`s feedback - But he probably holds they are nisht fuhn unzereh anyway (many people do until they have a heart attack & then they have charata for about a week)
      I would assume that Anon 5:35 knows what the Alter of Kelm says on the Chazal paraphrased by Rashi Devarim 12:25 Gezel VeAryos Nafsham Shel Odom MeChamdason. How people are innately born with a tayva for this sin. Perhaps you are holding on the darga of Rav Acha in Kesuvos 17a but most of us have not . Therefore if a member of the kehilla who did go and photograph Nashim in order to intimidate them is called to task you should thank me not scorn unless you are of his mindset . If past posts are any indicator you care as much about tzniyus as you do about safety.
      But again what would a sheine yiddishe seder and YT table look like without trash talking other bnei bris who think differently than me ?
      Please don`t forget that the Mishkenos Yakov says the minhag Lita , was not be makpid on Chatzos so you can be mehader during VeHee SheOmda .

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    8. Alumni Beis EliyahuApril 7, 2016 at 8:30 AM

      If Anon 4:01 learned the word Cogent because of this blog- Dayenu !

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  10. helberg got the property for free, why do you think that is

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    1. good shoppers know how to get things for free....
      when you buy a tax lean from the township and all they are asking for is back taxes, you got yourself a good deal. and if you want to resell it at that price, you are welcome to do it is well.
      do you feel bad that you missed out on the deal of the century?

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  11. So people could be jealous! Why else?

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  12. Breaking announcement from the WG Mafia. It reads as follows:

    סניטטשעס שווימען מיט די פישעס.

    מערב טויער טאַג לעבן

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  13. Alumnai Baja Eliyohu glad your back at the Otzar after missing much of last week. It makes no difference if you post on a blog or not What you are doing is a chilul hashem fighting a shul and bashing ranbonim.Your attempts to come across as clean and ehrlich don't fly and will fool no one. and btw can you name one Ray that backs you up.

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  14. Alumni Beis EliyahuApril 7, 2016 at 5:57 PM

    We are trying to use seichel hayoshor .
    Please stick to substance

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    1. who is "we"? everyone sticks to what they consider substance
      if I were to stick to your substance, it would be called substance abuse.

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    2. Excellent point!! Lol!

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  15. ABE where's your seichel and where's your yashrus?! Who's your Rov and publish your real name! Stop hiding.

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    1. Exactly! Who is the anonymous Rov that you're hiding behind? Rav Helberg's people have total transparency - everyone knows who the Bais din is, who wrote letters, letters were posted for all to see. The other side??? Mythical, nameless rabbonim who supposedly said this, that and the other! One can't help wondering what exactly the other side has to hide if it's all being done in the name of safety and tznius, especially as it's all being done leshaim shomayim!!

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    2. Btw ABE, you keep on touting that you've never bashed any rabbonim. If you read the posts, nor have other people! But, just by constantly bashing what kelm woods shul is trying to do, and by fighting against it, you're automatically bashing a Rov! Just some food for thought to add to your substance (abuse)!

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  16. What does Levy from L&R landscaping have to do with Vogel who officially hired the Lawyer to fight against Kelmwoods shul.

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  17. If these are the rabbonim, why don't they write a signed letter stating their position in all this? If there's more anonymous rabbonim why aren't they writing a letter? Or is it for the same reason that the Lubavitcher rebbe only gets an Aliyah but never gets hagba?!

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  18. Reb Gavriel Finkel said he has nothing to do with this, Rav Forcheimer wrote very clearly not to fight the shul, the others though are pretty vocal about their positions but would never put it in writing.

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    1. Many of us were looking forward to bringing a Korban pesach this year. Unfortunately for now that has been shelved due to traffic , safety, and tznius concerns affecting the old city's status quo of peace and tranquility

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  19. What does Meir Levy have to do with this is he related to the famous shadchan

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