Monday, January 25, 2016

Was the speech to harsh?

Following the speech by Reb Shlomo yehuda Rechnitz many in the tzibbur feel the speech was way too harsh. Perhaps he was mislead or misinformed but it was said in a condescending tone that many question if it should have been said publicly broadcast on the web or said at all. To lump all youingeleit as having these ani maamins and portraying them as arrogant with a holier than though attitude is hurtful. Did Rabbi Shlomo Chaim kanarek approve of this message? many are wondering. For now perhaps there will be a retraction or a clarification.

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  1. Al long as he gave the big check ,then no approval was needed or requested .

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  2. I dont believe many other Mosdos would have allowed such a Hotzoas Shem Ra on the whole town with a bunch of Sheker , just to get a few dollars .

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  3. No it was too kind. If someone felt it was too harsh that is because the truth hurts.

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  4. Donald Trump doesnt retract or clarify . If the purpose of a speech is to make noise and get people to talk about you ,then you dont retract anything .

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  5. If anything he was too nice. How ironic that Lakewood comes schnoring from him and then can't handle the truth being told to them.

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  6. is this something new for the ihr hatorah, that a layman(baal habos) comes and gives mussar and advice for the community, while the roshei yeshiva are silent.

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    1. B'makom sheh ayn ish..

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  7. It can't be Hotzaas Shem Ra since everyone knows it's true. Secondly,it was L'toeles harabbim to prevent you from continuing to be nichshol in your kefira and gaiva.
    Hopefully you can rectify your ways by listening to the speech again.

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    1. The part about parents calling up and telling Roshei Mosdos not accept other kids or else, seemed a little off. I am sure it happens, but is that really a widespread problem?

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    2. yes a widespread problem. get your head out of the sand

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    3. You are trying to absolve the Roshei Mosdos from this crisis and place the blame on a mysterious group of parents who are constantly threatening Mosdos that they will pull their kids from a school.

      I am sure there have been cases where it happens, but the vast majority of the time Mosdos reject people, it is not because of threats from parents.

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  8. I have personaly benefiited from Reb Shlomo Yehudas philanthropy and so have many of our mosdos may he continue to support and care for tzorchei amcha. That said, I felt humiliated listening to the speech to be labled with what was said about our town hur me alot. Call me naive or out of touch Ive never once asked when applying to schools to see who else is there nor did i ever call a school not to accept anyone. On the contrary I have called and advocated for others to help them get in. I did not even get in to the first choice schools i would have liked. Again Im not in RSY shoes perhaps he sees a different picture as he claims that parents call him daily from Lakewood to get their kids in. I cant speak for him and not sure what is his frame of mind on this but I feel many were hurt and insulted to painted with a broadbrush. hashem should give him koach to continue his avodas hakodesh.

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  9. I hope he never retracts a word. This was his true opinion which is shared by the majority of the bnei toirah. I spoke to many yungerleit and they were unanimously in favor and many were mamash besimcha that finally we have an is emes who is not afraid to point out the hypocrisy of the current system and shifichas damim that is done every year.

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  10. Most Mosdos in Lakewood havent gotten a penny from him. So dont say Lakewood schnorrs from him. Its a few well known and loud Mosdos that get the money.Dont blame and badhmytz the whole town because of a few

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  11. Sorry you felt humiliated but did you feel your chaverims humiliation when they were totally embarrassed by not getting their kids into school?

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    1. If this practice dose exist or not is not the topic or issue of discussion it was what was say how it was said and to whom it was said. You would think every youngerman ib Lakewood is a koifer with 5 ani maamins of kefira. That was the message, take an issue and accuse everyone of having it.

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    2. I would be willing to have those accusations hurled at me if this accomplishes something. Small price to pay. My ego is nig enough to survive the hit.

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  12. Every word was thought out... When comparing the Lakewood matziv to that in Brooklyn, Monsey or in fact every other Yiddisha kehila the grade is sub-par.
    Many have wanted to say this but were afraid of the backlash whick Lakewood has been known to use effectively. Mr Rechnitz without fear said what had to be said.
    Now lets see iff there were any real listeners.

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  13. The man is a tzaddik who is giving you guidance on what you need to fix. Instead of criticizing his words take them to heart and improve yourself. If you were really cared about anyone other then your own daled amos you would have no problem with his speech.

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  14. I hope gives more speeches on this topic. Some people posting here clearly did not get the message.

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  15. Probably some Roshei Mosdos are posting here since they can't deal with the message and the fact that 99 percent of the tzibbur agrees with him.

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  16. With out getting involved in the actual topic SYR spoke about, his point may have some validity. I was just wondering if he did not have a few $$$ would anyone care less what he thought. I think if he would want to rectify the situation and acomplish he should first try to speak to the Heads of the mosdos individually on a one to one basis. He would probably get further that way. The way he did it was wild & not level headed. Money can not by the wisdom that age brings.

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    1. You think he hasen't spoken to the Rosh Mosdos numerous times. Your great wisdom should tell you better.

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  17. He prefaced the speech by saying that he wasn't the one that should be giving it, and he is correct. however, no one else has come forward, so he was also right in taking the reigns.

    He did lose me a little bit when he absolved the Roshei Mosdos, then blamed parents for calling them and threatening to pull their kids of he accepted certain people. Most schools turn down hundreds of applicants a year, how many of them are because parents called up and made threats?

    I believe he was fed that excuse by the Roshei mosdos as a way of absolving themselves of any wrong doing.

    Going forward, I don't see how this speech will help anything, as well intentioned as it was. Paying schools for slots, will have a relatively small impact.

    What I see as a solution, would be to setup schools for certain geographic locations. Acceptance will be dependent on the geographic location only. Hire the best Rabbeim and most professional staff while giving them free tuition to help seed the schools. Get the neighborhood Rabbonim and Rosh Yeshivos to support this new "neighborhood schooling".

    This will permanently solve the entire acceptance issue. If you can get a critical mass of donors and rabonnim to support this initiative, it will work.

    This would have tremendous benefits. Children in the same neighborhood, can have chavrusos in their own neighborhoods, no acceptance crisis, it will also recreate and strengthen the sense of community in neighborhoods.

    With donors on board, the existing schools will eventually have a choice, align with a neighborhood, or wither out.

    Just my 2 cents.



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    1. Why make it so complicated . So Rechnitz claims we should leave the funding to him ,there is a simple solution . Let him fund a girls high school and elementary school and one boys high school . Let him announce that everybody who lives in Lakewood and is Shomer Shabbos will be accepted . Let him hire the best teachers and principals . At that point no parent can have any excuse or complaint that their child has no school . His schools will have the best teachers money can buy . Problem solved . This could be done tomorrow if he really wanted to

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    2. Because the elitist system needs to be broken.

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    3. nobody would send therir kids

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  18. No retraction needed or required. He spoke truth!!
    I would say for Hashems sake the owners and administrators of schools should heed his words.

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    1. You are making a mistake . There are numerous people waiting to make schools that will accept anybody who is frum .They cant get funding and they cant get parents who are willing to send to them . So its the parents fault .

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  19. Dear Rabbi Kanarek,
    I was quite dismayed when I learned that you were being honored for “30 years of achrayus” in chinuch! Then I realized that you were being honored by your own mosdos, i.e. YOURSELF, so it all made sense to me.
    I’m sure you don’t remember me, even after I give you some more details to jog your memory. I say this with confidence because I know there are dozens of “me”, perhaps hundreds. Years ago when I was an innocent, frum, sensitive eighth grade girl you decided to treat me, and others, like stray animals: you refused to accept us into high school until school had already begun. You played the game well, probably because you had practiced it so many times: never taking my parents’ calls, ignoring my elementary school principals, giving evasive answers when askanim called on my behalf. One of your principals actually had the audacity to tell my mother that this was a good lesson in humility.
    When I finally was permitted entry into your school, it was frankly too late. My eighth grade graduation was ruined, as other girls danced with happiness. The other girls my age had been accepted in a timely manner, purchased and tailored their uniforms, attended orientation, had a bus stop, received books and lockers. I was not even on the teachers’ class lists. I stood in the hallway (in regular clothing) crying as my mother discussed tuition payments with the office. The happy ninth graders skipping to their new classes looked at me with curiosity. (Then my mother spent a day at the board of ed getting me a bus stop).
    You will answer me as follows: at least I, the holy Shlomo Chaim Kanarek, took you into my school! What about the other high schools? My answer is this: there is no reason why I was not accepted to any school, other than that I was a pawn in some sick power-hungry cattle-trading game which you guys play. (Is it really all that fun?) I was a good student, tznius, from a nice family. And woe to those girls who cannot say those things about themselves. Woe to the girls who are not accepted to any school in Lakewood, ever. They are discarded on the street like yesterday’s garbage.
    You and your cronies perform this disgusting charade together, interdependently, and so you must ALL bear the collective guilt. Not one of you has the guts to actually BE A FRUM MAN (not just dress like one and walk with your hands clasped behind your back in a gesture of self-importance) and call a halt to the mistreatment of 14-year-old girls. Your deeds will not go away, they will not erase themselves.
    Rabbi Kanarek, I have moved on in my life and I hardly think about the animosity I had for you and your family for so many years. Your dinner advertisements jolted me back to those horrible days. You mock those of us whom you mistreated. ANSWER ME THIS: what would have been so difficult if you had accepted me in time to get a uniform that fits, a precious bus stop, books, a locker, orientation???? To save me and my family from months of tears and utter humiliation?
    You cleverly duped Shlomo Yehuda Rechnitz into thinking you are one of the good guys......................
    Sincerely,
    A former student

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    1. Oy es iz gut!!!!
      Someone pleaeeease forward this to 323 ASAP!

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    2. Well said! Your pain and the pain of so many other girls is an accusation against the entire city of Lakewood. It took an outsider to say the truth -it is OUR YIDDISHKEIT that is corrupt. What we think is protecting our children and ensuring them good chinuch among "good friends" is not what Hashem wants!!! He wants us to stop being judgmental. Rav Ahron Leib Shteinman said it well- our school policies are GAAVA GAAVA and GAAVA. We should all be ashamed bt it is the Roshei Mosdos that are responsible for all of the harm done. If they can not accept frum kids on a first come first serve basis they should ask RSYR for $ or they should CLOSE DOWN and stop killing people.

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  20. Great speech , however lf SY Rechnitz is not going to Park himself in Lakewood and fix issues right now instead of waiting till school opens up then it's just waste of energy. Also all schools who do not receive money from Rechnitz are going to say to go to schools that get money. Like Rechnitz said last night "it's always about the MONEY "!

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  21. Dear Former Student,
    Thank you for your heartfelt letter.
    Now I feel vindicated. This is why I send my girls out of town for high school. My girls are not cattle or some kind of property to be decided where they are put by some vaad or something. I was there when they popped out, I brought them up, I cried with them, I laughed with them all the way up to this point. Do you think I'm going to fill out 4 applications and get on my hands and knees to hope and plead that my daughter gets into the school that somebody else will decide where she is going? NO WAY. I'll do research and choose a school that has the values and haahkafah that I feel is most appropriate for my precious daughter so she grow into a mature young lady and a happy confident mother that she deserves to be. Unfortunately, this once great town once had that ability, but not anymore.

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  22. I know somebody who will run a school or schools both boys and girls that will accept everybody. He is very capable ,and will hire the best teachers and staff . All he needs is somebody to take responsibility for the finances .He will work for a fair salary . What is the next step.

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    1. Yes, many schools have started with people advetising anonymously on blogs.

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  23. Its not new or uncommon to have the Donald Trumps of the frum community lecturing their daas torah to the benei hayeshiva on how to live and what the true derech hatorah is, before flying out to the football game.
    Im ashamed to say Im not surprised the the rabanim and rosh mosdos sit quietly and give them a big kiss after he mocks their talmidim.

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    1. So you think all is well and Lakewood and the Mosdos are being run Al pi daas Torah?

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    2. Who said Rechnitz was flying to a football game?

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    3. You must be pretty sure of your olam habah if you feel so free to criticize someone who has helped so many with both his time and money.

      But you will claim that it is just money, "he is no better then me". The fact is he was zocheh to be in a position to help others for a reason, and he has used his resources to benefit thousands.

      Aside for his own zechusim, the amount of Torah and Mitzvohs that he has enabled others to do is quite formidable.

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  24. How low has "Lakewood Ir HaTorah" fallen when the Roshei Yeshiva and Rabbonim are silent on important issues and instead millionaires with nothing to lose are the ones speaking the truth everyone refuses to hear?

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  25. This is not new.
    Rich Roberts did the same thing by the tent event a couple years back.
    Noone said boo.

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    1. Hershel HerskowitzJanuary 25, 2016 at 7:19 PM

      No he belittled Koller yungeleit and I for one thought he should have been given back his money. Not out of anger. But simply his hashkofos were obviously not those of BMG. By taking the money, many of us felt that BMG lost all credibility. I am not saying I do not in some ways agree with Mr. ROBERTS. But I do not believe that those beliefs should have been discussed at a Kollel event. What rechnitz said was not questionable. He was right. Where he was wrong was believing that Kanarek is part of the solution, when in reality he started the problem and remains a big part of it.

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  26. There is some validity to it but it was the wrong venue. It should have been said to the roshei mosdos who are the ones playing this game. Blame should not have been put on the bnei yeshiva.

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    1. You think this hasen't been said to Roshei Mosdos privately. It has been, over and over. It was time to up the game.

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  27. The rechnitz ani maamins about lakewood youngeleit

    1. I believe that “I am better than you.”

    2. I believe that I have to show all my chumros, so everyone can see how frum I am.

    3. I believe that “your children are not good enough for my children.”

    4. I believe that the Torah was given to perfect children and perfect families.

    5. I believe there is no room for individuality; we must all fit into the same perfect model.

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  28. Shameful speech should not have been said publicly especially to a crowd of rebbeim and kolell guys. I heard roshei yeshiva are very upset about what happened

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    1. You're joking, right?

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  29. Was Rabbi Yair Hoffman also the speech writer? hmmm....

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    1. Had the same thought, is sounded like his typical drivel

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    2. Come to think of it HaRav Yair Hoffman writes for 5 Town Jewish Times/Matzav/Yeshiva world. Maybe hes on the Rechnitz payroll and wrote the infamous 323 piece.

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    3. 323 was written by one of the askanim of SCK

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  30. Lets go SY get the ball rolling. Open a few more schools in Lakewood and the problem is for the most part resolved. The Oilam would appreciate that.

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  31. It's Jan 25 so the meter is running till school opens in Ellul. Let's see if this speech works cause bottom line is situation can't get worse .
    I wonder what rest of world thinks of Lakewood Today?

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  32. משמועסט אז אפאר מנהלי מוסדות האבן ארויס געוואקט אינמיטן זיין ספיטש
    אינקלאדינג איינער א מנהל פאזען וואס האט באקומען פון אים א מיליון דולר

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    1. ליטוואק פון בודאפעסטJanuary 26, 2016 at 9:35 AM

      איך האב באקומען אין אישי אין ק"ש אז אפאר אירע האבען ארויסגעוואקט, אבער נאך נישט באשטעטיגט.

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  33. The what he said from YWN
    This is our Ani Maamin #1. Don’t tell me, you love me and you hate some of my children.it means you do not love me. Do not tell Hashem, I love you but I dislike some of your children.

    Ani maamin #2. We believe that Torah is based on humility, on genuine relationships and dedication.. But if a yid is arrogant and elitist, Hashem runs away from him. It is time to realize how our elitism has destroyed our ruchniyus.

    Ani maamin #3. We believe that every child is priceless, his or her value is infinite. For every child we need mesiras nefesh. The Midrash says, if one of the 3 million Jews were not by Sinai, the Torah could not be given. Everyone had to be there. How we can say, that some of our children do not belong in our schools? If we would have said that at Har Sinai, we would have never had a Torah!

    Ani maamin #4. I believe that we all struggle. Torah was not given to perfect people. It was given to people who struggle with life and who have ups and downs. We all need each other and must learn from each other. The Gemarah says in Shabbos, that Torah could not be given to angels; only to people who fall and stumble. Yet we.. invented that Torah is only for angels!

    Ani maamin #5. I believe that not everybody has to be, or even can be, the same. The Mishnah says in Sanhedrin that Hashem created every person different. Why? Because he wants us to be different. Let us respect differences. Let us respect individual journeys. Let us respect Neshamos not only robots. Let us respect hearts not only machines. Let us not crush every kid into a particular box even if he is sticking out. Let us be a little more confident and secure, and tolerate different types of people

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  34. Maybe we should rip out tachanun from the siddir because it accuses everyone of sinning. stealing.sheker etc...
    Bottom line. Dont kill the messenger!
    What was said had to be said by someone who is not afraid to speak out.

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  35. I listened to SY Rechnitz's speech and felt my Neshama burning inside me. How on target SY Rechnitzs was!

    From someone who has countless relationships teenagers, Bochurim etc I can tell you that there is an undercurrent that is not being addressed that I believe is connected with what SY Rechnitz stated in his speech last night.

    There is an overwhelming frustration amongst many teenagers and bm bochurim in regards to the expectation to become one who studies Gemara/Torah all day and learn as in depth and as long as required, while at the same time one's emotional growth and personal development somehow suddenly seem to take a back seat and fall to the wayside.

    That is, that somehow we can assume that in todays generation the majority of young boys/men are a complete Keli  (specifically emotionally) who will be able to reap the benefits of being fully engrossed with learning Torah all day.

    Sure it's easy to give a boy a Gemara, a shtender and maar mekomos to prepare for a shuir, and at the same time constantly hammer home the importance of learning Torah but how much do we cater to the emotional needs and development of our youth and bochurim?

    Somehow we assume that when a boy enters Bais Medrash (or high school) he is fully mature and capable to take on the same rigorous hourly schedule and curriculum as those which men far older than them struggle to abide by.

    But these boys are still just that. Growing, developing boys/young men.

    They still have emotional needs, they still have individual interests, talents, and self esteem to develop and nurture. They still need guidance and a loving Rebbi who they can confide in with the knowledge and total confidence that they will not be judgmental or think down of them if they reveal that they are struggling in areas of Avodas Hashem, Keduasha, or a lack of interest/enjoyment in learning.

    Somehow, it seems that we (adults and bochurim alike) became focused on image management.

    That despite one's individuality, despite a boy's personal strengths and weaknesses, as long as one is doing what he is told is the ideal in life, and hence is what looks good in the eyes of  one's rebbeim, peers and society in general, then a bochur simply must do it because that is what is expected of him, despite his personal temperament and emotional needs and development not being catered to.

    I hope that RY Rechnitzs speech will be a catalyst for change. Sure there will be detractors and naysayers who scream "who does Rechnitz think he is/how dare he" and those who pull the "Daas Torah" card without even knowing what Daas Torah really holds by or stands for. But Emes is Emes and those who are in touch with their Neshama, who are able to dig past the layers upon layers of gayva bad middos and elitism, were able to hear and feel the Emes that permeated from SY Rechnitz's speech.

    Yasher Koach SY Rechnitz! Chazak V'ematz

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    1. You have misrepresented the speech. That may be your gripe, but that is not the issue here. Open your own blog, or better still, open a Yeshiva.

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  36. Rumor has it that the ones who were behind the rechnitz speech was non other then the bmg roshey yeshiva . They were simply afraid to say it the way rechnitz said it because they fear the big thugs in town. Rechnitz couldnt give two hoots because no one can threaten him. hes an outsider and he knows the sad truth.

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  37. So glad someone finally said something! It's not as much the ppl in lkwd then the ppl running schools. Kanareks schools r impossible to get into...they just send rejection letters..How many times did I have to fight to get my 4 yr olds into a school ????? Only to be cast away with stupid excuses... Damage that can never be repaired!

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  38. This speech was the best ever. Maybe just maybe, the town will be more sensitive to the annual shefichas damim that occurs around high school acceptance for girls.

    And frankly, whether he was too harsh or he is not the one who should be saying this is a non-issue for me. When girls are being emotionally slaughtered year after year, as far as I'm concerned all else is just noise.

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    1. Until you make another few high schools everything will stay the same. If you are too stingy to spend money on making schools then its your fault. Why is there no oribkem with high school boys ? Because there are more mesivtas than students. So you see if thete were more schooks the problem would be solved.

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  39. Tere are many reasons and factors why kids dont get into schools not here to justify them but Rechnitz blew it by plaming it ALL on one issue which is not across the board. He bashmutzed an entire city and everyone sat there silently. Shame shame shame.

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    1. Get your head out of the sand

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  40. Who wrote the speech??

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    1. a baal gaaiveh wrote it and i dont think it was SYR

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    2. probably he did.

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  41. Everyone has gripes but nobody wants to do anything . Why dont the complainers just open up new schools that accept everybody . That will solve the problem once and for all . Oh I forgot that means they actually have to shvitz and do something instead of sitting comfortably and blogging .

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  42. Let rechnitz spend a few days in Lakewood and speak to the kolell guys who couldn't get their own kids into schools. He is fed misinformation by askanim and yes men looking to please him so they get a return.

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  43. Matzav exclusive Rechnitz donates 1.5 million to Lakewood mosdos.. which mosdos? only kanareks?

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  44. Yes Only kanareks After all they are the only Mosdos that accept every child

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  45. The facts are that you will not find more than a handful of kids who really could not get into ANY school . 99 per cent of the kollel guys you refer to ,want to get their kids into the older established schools and wont accept the newer schools . Well guess what . We are adding close 20 2000 kids a year and if you are not a siobling ,chances are you are going to go to a newer school .In 3 years that newer school will be full and you wont even be able to get in there

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  46. 20 youngeleit walked out in middle of the speech.

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