Thursday, January 21, 2016

TR torah center wins approval Plans for Route 9 Wawa, West Gate shul also being reviewed.

The planning board approved the Toms River Torah center to build an addition on the home it now occupies on Seminole drive. Kelmwoods shul in Westgate according to  APP.com "is proposed for an undeveloped, nearly five-acre lot on the east side of Hillside Boulevard, between Kelm Woods Avenue and Kingsfield Drive. The congregation has outgrown its current worship space in a residence on Kelm Woods." The hearing was postponed since it was running behind schedule and the board will hear it on Feb 2nd. read more at APP.com

36 comments:

  1. There is no seating shortage at all. there are not many men or husbands in west gate. They are thrown out with restraining orders after the rav gives the wives a heter not to go to the mikva. Yes the very same mikva the ropshitzers are soo concerned about. the mikva they all walk by on Friday night, the mikva that they stand in front of and shmooze on the way back from shul. These men were forced out of westgate and had their children taken away from them. The amount of gerushos and single mothers in WG is on the rise. Many of these cases were easily preventable but inexperience, incompetence and other factors led to the current situation. So all problems are solved. there are no men around so plenty of seating and no concerns about the mikva since the women who are married get a heter not to go and all the others are divorced seperated etc..

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    1. Brilliant solution killing two birds with one stone. It will also eliminate the waiting time for an appointment especially for those who do not have the perk to call 3 days in advance.

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  2. Who is Toms River Torah center is there a yeshiva there?

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  3. Why is RH keep on spining and spreading misinformation. They are claiming the bais din did not see the updated plans. The BD in fact DID see the new plans and signed off on it. Following the din torah BM of Kelmwoods had to make some changes which made them add more parking spaces thus adding more footage to the proposed building. NH and RH went running to Rav malkiel on Erev Shabbos that they changed the plans in an attempt to stop the hearing. Rav Malkiel said go back to the BD they BD was shown the current plans and they said go ahead there are no problems. NOt only that but the size of the building was never an issue at all. despite a clear psak and heter to proceed wit the planing board the unraitzers and mafia hired an attorney (Who backed out as soon as he saw there is nothing to fight)and they sent 10 ladies to the hearing to oppose the shul.

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    1. 1 clarification is necessary. All of the Rabbonim involved were shown the plans BEFORE they were submitted to the township. All of the rabbonim involved signed on the plans that they saw the plans and the plans conform to the psak. I don't know why Rav Malkiel said they should look at them again, perhaps he was led to believe that additional changes were made. In any case the plans were then shown to the rabbonim again and the once again upheld their original psak.

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  4. Dont you need a shalom bayis beis din to tell a woman not to go to the mikva? how can a single Rav issue such a psak when he only hears one side of the story. I know this is common in Lakewood, just asking

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  5. I lived in WG for years and recently moved out. I lived close to the main shul and davend there quite often. Its not nice to say but im glad i left. The non stop huddles of clicks and secrets back n forth in the hallways the non stop obsession with the other shuls, helberg, traffic, and other non sense was quite nauseating. I never got involved or had any interest in all this neither do many other guys who moved in after all the politics. Do yourselves a favor please keep it all out of the shul the new younger olam has absolutely no interest in all this its only turning us off and away.

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  6. Olam Hafuch Ropschitz shul is Litvish and Brisk shteble is Chasidim and the kellemers are in between. The pressburgers daven nusach Carlebach and the chutzniks daven in Lutzk.

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    1. You forgot about the Kletzkers and the raddiners...so much for achdus in the shchunah

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  7. If this wouldn't be taking place in real life, it would be hillarious.

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  8. It's not hilarious at all. It is so sick it's unbelievable! In 1933 a megalomaniac came to power and stopped shuls being built! Is this Chas vesholom history repeating itself?!

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  9. @ 9:34 am 2art..
    well said. As a current long time WE resident it's time to put an end to this whole group mafia whatever you want to call it. The shul I used to daven in was forcefully shut down yes in the basement..and a race was behind it. These mafia tactics have to stop. Enough of the threatening anonymous phone calls, enough of hurling objects through people's windows, enough of the bullying of other residents, of other rabbonim who did not conform to you. I cam go on and on about the election fraud that went on with the vast now is not the time. It's pointless. Look back what have you accomplished since we were a small kehilla. Do we have anything to show for it? (Yes we have a beautiful otzar hasforim building, mikva) Why are we still playing the same dirty games. It's time to either clean up your act and cut it out and let the younger blood take on responsibilities without any old grudges. It pains me that all over Lakewood there are nice shuls that everyone enjoys and feels part of it.To each his own we are still stuck with all this machlokes and redifos of others. its time to move on and leave the garbage behind.
    Thank you

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  10. There is no achdus when one can sit in the corner of the basement shul and continue spreading hate and machlokes midei shabbos beshabatoi non stop. Rabble rousing at every opportunity. Worse that that is the olam stands around applauding the divrei chochma that come out. In a shul named after the Rosh Yeshiva no less who was an ish hashalom what an embarrassment to his name. This is not the zikaron he would have wanted in a shul. And nebach on the olam that are petrified of the bullie. It's amazing what one yochid can do to a entire tzibbur because he has a loud bark and keeps on fanning the flames of hate to cement his standing and find favor in everyone's eyes.

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    1. He's doing it leshem shomayim for the kavod of the Rav that's what he claims .it's ironic how the rav tells people he has no control over the mafia and these bullies. He would be better if they all moved away.

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    2. Some moved away but not out others moved out but come back to retain their power.

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    3. I'll get him a similar deal intern tish elsewhere. Every one will be happier.

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  11. As commented earlier, megalomania is extremely scary! Hashem yishmor oleinu.

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  12. The chazzan better pick a farshlepteh niggun for lecha dodi i hear they are printing up all these posts in distributing it in shul

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  13. why do the comments seem so one sided is the moderator slanting it one way?

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    1. They are busy rolling out the red carpet for Rechnitz perhaps Monday morning the comments will balance out.

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  14. No. But it definitely seems like one or 2 people are writing the same type of comments

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  15. Enough rabbosei lets put an end to all of this. There are many bar mitzvas kiddushim this week in shaar hamaaravi lets focus on the positive on building not negative and destroying.

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  16. When you are reading this remember to stand up and turn around for Boiee Beshalom

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    Chutzpa who gave them permission to make a bigger shul???!!!

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  18. Aha! Now the truth's coming out! If you taynah it's a "chutzpah", then I guess it shows it's a total kovod issue - not l'shaim shomayim at all! When are people going to learn how to fargin???!!!!!

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  19. These comments are extremely entertaining, please continue. My Westgate Soap Opera is writing itself. Peace.

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  20. Stop the cycle!
    The real problem is the "mayor" is able to present an outside illusion of control/delivering the WG voting bloc which gives him 'contacts'...
    "We The People" should end this farce!!

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  21. There is no mayor in a development. Stop the nonsense

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    1. hes unofficially the mayor and he has Aaron Kolers ear as well as that of many other township officials in various departments and boards. Not knowing the real goings on in WG they are given a false sense of reality of the current situation. If only they did a little homework and challenged themselves a bit to find out the truth. He moved out of WG but that does not disqualify from being the unofficial mayor.

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  22. Nonsense. There is no mayor official or unofficial

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    1. Ask anyone who is the mayor, they will answer you.

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  23. So fari git no answer. Nobody knows what a mayor of wg is.

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    1. The mayors sister in law showed up at the hearing to oppose the shul.

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    2. It must have been a super important item on her agenda if she could give up a whole evening the week of her bar mitzvah. What a tzaddekes!!!

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  24. Where's Chaim mordche mandel in all this? After all the main issue appears to be with the Mikveh! How come he's staying so quiet and letting his meshorsim do his dirty work? Or is it that he feels he's above everyone and is therefore not mechuyav to answer to them?

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  25. Where is the kingsfield askan on all this why is he so quiet about the mikvah issue. Didnt ladies complain about a shul so close to the mikva where the entrance is? why are they fighting building a shul on hillside when they are just a few houses away.

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