Saturday, January 30, 2016

The conversation begins

 After all the controversy surrounding 'the speech' it is already having an impact. It was the conversation that drew passionate responses and opinions but all agree that the system has to be fixed. No longer do parents have to fight their way to get their kid into school.
One particular school took notice and made a change. Previously they would send a list of parents who were accepted to others that were applying for the same class. They have decided to stop this practice as the focus should not be on who the other parents are.

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  1. All agree that the Rosh Mosdos that give the few available slots to the "highest bidder" should stop doing that. Children s neshamos should not be treated as cattle.
    The shakers in the community have been turning a blind eye to this terrible minhag. Its time to stand up for those that cant "afford" shmaltz money

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    1. Why is it wrong for a school owner who has limited slots to at least make money off those slots?
      Of course each child is precious, but if your gonna take one child over the other at least let it be the child with money...

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    2. The main criteria should be that the school and the child are compatible. If there are less slots than compatible children then there should be a goral (I think Baruch Manis used to do that).
      MONEY SHOULD NOT BE A FACTOR!
      Thats fech!

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    3. the rishus is that all the children will eventually get in so why drag it out until after school starts? Why can't they figure out where everyone is going a week after the deadline? Are the Rosh hamosdos able to squeeze more $ from the parents while they schect the kids?

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    4. There is a real smoking gun regarding the amount of tuition and donations received and the amount of spending the schools have. Basic mathematical calculation will tell you1 most schools should have a large surplus.
      Its amazing how the sheep in Lakewood will take whatever the school owners feed them.

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  2. Harav Uren Reich spoke nicely and made a machaah.

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    1. made a machaa against the speech or against the system?

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    2. Spoke about the chashivus of a Ben torah

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  3. There is just a lack of room. That is the source of the issue.

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    1. Actually he is right. There aremany boys mesivtas and plenty of place .parents of boys who baically dont know how to,open a gemorah and are mediocre in theyirad shomayim dept report that they get calls from multiple mesivtas to,please uave their sons give the mesivta a chance. So its quite obvious that when there is plenty of space,then everybody has a school. If there wete the same amount of girls schools like mesivtas ,even themost problematic girl would be begged to come to some school. But the people funding the mesivtas dont eant to fund girls high schools so its not going to happen.

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  4. Is there a recording of R' Reich's speech?

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  5. Our taxes in Lakewood have gone up 7%, 3 times more than the 2% most towns charge. We're turning our Prized ratable, the industrial park into one huge tax free school zone.More houses being built only INCREASE taxes, not lower them...

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    1. Exactly.Almost Every problem that was an issue this past week,the lack of services, traffic, school problems, and of course the corruption that allows all of this to happen, is a direct result of building without any long term plan. More housing brings in ratables that pale in comparison to the long term costs. Our community is growing, but this is not natural growth. This is growth created by developers , investors, and Realtors. They profited at the expense of taxpayers, and even the people they convinced to move here. Many Jewish families do not move here because they fear they will not get their children into school. Do we scream that it's unfair? People want to move here? No. But we make the excuse for builders that people need a place to live. I see that the veil of this ridiculous system is being lifted and people now realize the truth. The more you build, the higher taxes go up. It's a fact.

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  6. Why do houses being built " INCREASE our taxes"?????

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  7. You didn't report that the Bais Horaah was once again evicted for illegal use of their building. Another avla is a town that has a Self established Bais Horaah that feels it's OK to steal from fellow Jews. All in the name of Torah? Money? Greed?

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    1. They didnt steal from anyone. get off it already. your the only one thats obsessed with them. no one cares. please stop making stuff up

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    2. You have no idea how much business was stolen from the downtown. How many people gave up on going to Bagel Nosh since it opened? If you don't know the facts, don't comment. Unless you are one of the few that benefit from this gezeila. As for the building. Every new development built that brings new people into town needs services such as busing, more police, fire, public services,new schools, shuls, and other tax free buildings and the largest cost, special needs education. A development of 100 homes can easily cost an extra 2 million dollars a year. Proof of this fact is the exponential rise in taxes since our committeemen got into office, changed the master plan and allowed building without any idea how we would pay for it. Before they were in office a 2 percent increase was considered high. Since they are in office many of us have seen our taxes triple. A home paying 5 thousand in 2000 is today paying 15 or more. All the years before that taxes kept pace with inflation. Went up slightly due to some of the population increase. The correlation between building and taxes increasing exponentially is undeniable and easily proven. Just do the simple math.

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    3. He's not making stuff up. You're afraid of facts.

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    4. I stopped going to bagel nosh bec there's no parking.@Anonymous 8:48pm, why don't you go ask Dov Kaufman of bagel nosh yourself? go ask other store owners how this has hurt them///

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  8. While i don't usually comment i must say that I stand in admiration of Mr. Rechnitz after his speech last week. The reality in Lakewood is unfortunately as he says it is and it is something we in Lakewood should be embarressed of. I myself had trouble getting a daughter into school but after i was told by that a donation to the school would secure a place for my daughter i recieved a call from the Rosh Hamossad you may remember him from the exxon station and we worked out a deal. I had to give tens of thousands of dollars and my daughter was immediately accepted. Everyone in town knows that there are shakedowns as well as an elitist mentality where only chosheva can be accepted. Not one leader has stood up to this not one! Kudos to Mr. Rechnitz for telling it the way it is for everyone to hear.

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  9. herring, you obviously don't pay taxes, if you do ,check your last few years of taxes, up up and UP. Did anyone in Lakewood pay less taxes than previous years

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  10. http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2016/01/blog-post_29.html

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  11. AviG:
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    I want to beg something of all of you. I know a lot of you enjoy drinking, it's a fun activity, you do it to be social. But- it's something you need to be responsible about, not just for yourself, but for whoever's doing it with you. I want to tell you about a boy I know. He went to his friends for shabbos, and Friday night they headed over to the house of a gevir who's known to have an open bar, fully stocked, as much as you want. This boy drank- nothing crazy, not too much. He went downstairs pretty early to go to sleep. His friends saw him later that night, flat on his back, snoring away. They left him alone, and a little while on, woke up again to see that something was seriously wrong. I don't  know exactly what- was he gagging? Choking? Throwing up? I don't know. They called Hatzalah, but by the time they came it was too late- this 26-year-old guy, single, his whole life ahead of him, was dead. Because he choked to death on his back. Tonight, his family is sobbing their eyes out. They're brokenhearted. His 7 brothers, his 3 sisters, they can't believe it's true and they're just beginning to grasp the fact that they'll never be a whole family again. And his mother- she's practically collapsing. She can't understand how this is happening. Why his friends let this happen. How they left him alone when one little thing would have saved him.
    How do I know this story? Because it's my brother. Ari Levin. I'm the one watching my brothers fall apart as they try to grasp that they're never going to hug Ari again. They're crying about how they regret they didn't get to say goodbye, they're wishing they could tell him how much they love him, they're sobbing it to each other and holding on to each other desperately.
    I know my dear brother Ari died for a reason, even if I don't know what that reason was. I know it was Hashem's plan and that if it happened, this is what He meant to happen. But- I also know that right now, his friends are feeling overwhelming guilt. They're feeling that if they had just watched over him a little better, turned him on his side, he wouldn't have died this way. They wouldn't have to face my parents at the levaya tomorrow, knowing that they could have done something about his death. And my parents are wishing they'd known about Ari's plans for the night, they would have begged him not to go. Go know that you could drink the same amount you always do but this time it's going to go wrong.
    So I'm begging you guys, as a brokenhearted sister, as a future wife and mother- if you're going to drink, please be more responsible. Know your limits, but know your friends' as well. Watch over them and try to make sure they're as safe as possible. Know what's safe and what's not. Please. The life you save could be your own.

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  12. Everyone wonders "if in the end all of the girls get in to high school why can't the schools cooperate to accept them all in April?" The answer has to do with a few people who feel that they benefit from this system. I hear thet there is some change coming to girls HS that would be an oppurtunity to start cooperation.

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  13. Because in April the parents who could go to newer schools are still not willing to go. There are always parents that nly apply to one or 2 schools and will keep their kids home and wont listen to peopke who tell them to apply to the newer schools that have room. The problem then becomes that even if eventually they grudgingly decide 4 mobths later to go yo the newer school ,at that point the school says its too late we are full now where were you 4 months ago when everybody else applied. You cant blame those schools hecause these 0arents ho around calling the newer schools tertible names to justify yo their friends why they are not applying. So at sone point the school is fedup with them being bashmutzed and says we are nit interested anymore. This happens every year with anumber of parents.

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    1. The rishus is that some kids were not accepted to any schools period. So instead of placing them in April you shect them for 6 months until a month after school starts and then grudgingly accept them. Why can't this be done in April??? If a child was accepted to a school and the parent doesn't want to send to that school, then the parent is on their own. But to not have any school to accept the child and then drag them in the mud is sfichas damim

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  14. Lets try it one year. Every parent should be required to agree to apply to the smaller schools,if they dont get in to the bigger schools. Im willing to bet that such an experiment will fix 99 per cent of the problem .

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  15. Rav Belsky levaya in EY live stream
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm_dp2NkcfU

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  16. There isno question that if all parents agreed that every high school is a possibility fir their daughters ,then mostly everybody would be placed right away.

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  17. The Rosh Yeshivas should tell every parent that they will not he mishtadel for them if they are not willing to apply to every school.

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  18. Hey I too had to pay my way it cost me 50,000 to get my kid into school. I paid it straight to the rosh hamossad. Every child should be allowed to choose the school they want. We will have to give Din vechsbon how we allowed the school owners to enrich themselves and play the devil himself.

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  19. That is the most ridiculous thing to say that every school should have to take any child regardless of space. So every school has to spend whatever it takes to build and add classes even though there are schools that have room for you. It is attitudes like that that creates this problem

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  20. Talk about strange parents. They the claim that the rodh hamosad is a bad person,the principal is an achzor and they still want to send their kids to such bad schooks run by bad people even though there sre other schools willing to ake them. If it was my child i would go to the school that wants me not the one run by horrible people.

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  21. According to you then who decides which school the child can go to? Who will make the selections?

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    1. According to your logic,why should there even be an application process to any school .A parent should just notify the school thst he is excersizing his right to send his child and that is it. Why bother applying.

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  22. Every older in demand school is full with 80 to 90 per cent just siblings. For you to say that you have the unconditional right to force that school to take an unlimited amount of kids without regards to space and money ,while there are newer schools that have room for you , is so ludicrous.

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  23. If you are part of a chasidus where all the chasidim give all their tzedokoh money to the Rebbe and his mosdos then you are guaranteed a slot in the Rebbes Mosdos .In Lakewood most tzedokoh money goes to out of town Mosdos so yoy have to go where there is room.

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  24. How in the worldcan somebody he so krum to think that he has the right to tell a private person that he has to spend whatever is necessary to take anybody that wants to come while there is room in newer schools

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  25. Unless a school belongs to yhe tzibur and the tzibur is taxed to provide unlimited funding for the school ,it is allowed to decide how big it wants to grow. Once it is full ,it is up to others to make more schools.if there are 200 applicants for 20 slots then the school decides who to accept. In any event there will be 180 disappointed people no matter who they take. If they take you ,it just means dpmebody else wont be taken.

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  26. Very simple solution. There needs to be a community school that is open and accepting to all children just like the original Cheder was. Period. Every child is entitled to be in a school and to be loved, cared for, and treated with respect as a yiddishe neshama.

    The privately owned schools can gladly cater to anyone who feels that the community school is not for them. End of discussion.

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  27. Every school is in essence a kllal school because evry school
    Is partially through local and federal taxes and grants. Besides all the local shnorring from the towns people. So yes we do have a right to a daya.

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  28. Nonsense. Most schools ,especially girls schools do not get money from stam people. They only get from acquaintances of the rosh mosad and from parents and grandparents and people affiliated with patents and grandparents who generally want the school to be a certain way.the vast majority of schools in lakewood have not seen a penny from rechnitz.

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  29. People have offered to make community schools. They are patiently waiting for the community to come up with the funding. It has not happened yet

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    1. The first few years you need loans and backers. After that the tuition covers everything, and then some. You can pay back the loans with the extra.
      Every Rosh mosad knows this. They might not admit it.

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    2. So let the community undertake the loans and do what it takes. You make it sound so easy.

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    3. I have heard that the tuition overcovers the budget. I cant see how it cant. But It isnt easy the first few years. you gotta beg people to come. you gotta get the loans etc. People also start hating you. Just ask around.

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  30. Well that needs to be the focus because the solution is simply to have a community school open to everyone where every child is accepted graciously and lovingly. This is the project that should be worked on to resolve the horrible school issues that currently exist.

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  31. Agreed that we need a community school. Let Rechnitz tell all the schools he gives large sums to that they need to be community schools. For your information there are a number of girls elementary and a couple of girls high schools that are newer and have very few siblings. While not real community schools ,they are nevertheless not very picky and pretty welcoming. Most of the parents who called Rechnitz crying in pain that they have no schools ,could have gone to these schools but chose not to. Rechnitz was not informed about that and thought they really had no school to go to. Even if we make a community school, we will need to educate Rechnitz and others about making sure parents go there and not be allowed to say they have no school when the community school is available to them

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  32. The blogs are also at fault. They come out with sensationalist posts that there are x amount of girls sitting home and out of school. While the truth is that almost all could have gone to the smaller warm and welcoming schools

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  33. Its really intetesting how selfish some parents are. Everybody knows that its not great for schools ,especially high schools ,to have more than 3 or 4 parallel classes. After that the kids just become numbers because the principals cant deal with so many. So parents want every school to keep expanding to accomodate their kids ,regardless of the fact that this expansion hurts all the other kids in the school. These parents must be told that they have no right to firce themselves into the full schools, when there are smaller schools waiting to take them.

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  34. Can you please list these smaller, welcoming schools. Ty.

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    1. TCS AT BB BP MBY TGHS YBY
      There are probably more

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  35. The stupidly about the new girls high schools is amazing , there is ONE new girls high school which opened 2 years ago ,in its second year the OTHER high schools buried it by adding more classes and stuffing more kids into their ex classes to the point where the school opened with 3 kids in 9 th grade ! When it comes to elementary and mesivta the schools do not have the ability or interest to do that .Therefore if the girls high schools are scared of the competition they have to make sure EVERY girl is accepted into a normal school by April 1 if not the blood is on their hands and we all know how much blood is spilled needlessly every year just to satisfy a few sick individuals .

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  36. There are uduslky 100 or more new kids
    every year going into high school. That is 3 or 4 or sometimes 5 new classes needed. I haven't heard of any new school being opened up this year. If some of the existing schools won't open up new classes, where exactly do you want those 100 or more children to go. ? When there wont be enough space ,you will be the one writing the posts about how these terrible people have blood on their hands by not opening up more classes.

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    1. Correct they can not have it both ways if they
      Cause other schools NOT to open then they have to take in all the kids by April 1

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  37. its very simple-we have to hire a PAID organization that deals with this a whole year and not some askanim doing it when they have time

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  38. If you have money to have a PAID organization ,why dont you just use that money to make a commun ity school that will accept everybody . Then you wont need ant askanim or organization . While you are at it ,you can charge much less tuition than everybody else because you are leshem shomayim and dont need to make money like the other schools . So you will kill 2 birds with one stone .have an accepting community school and have low tuitions . Please start right away for this coming school year .

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  39. Great idea. I heard that a very capable mechanech who successfully started 2 mosdos of chesed for choilei yisroel ,might open up a high school next year. No question that if he does ,it will have a huge registration the first year.

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  40. Agreed. I heard that most of the existing schools will not be adding classes as they are awaiting this particular mechanech to open a new school this year. With his stellar record of opening up these 2 Mosdos for choilim , his new school will definitely have enough applicants to solve the space problem.

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