Sunday, January 17, 2016

A call by Rabbonim to show support for Bais Medrash Kelmwoods in Westgate at planning board


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  1. What about those of us that live there? That corner is already a mess. Cars are constantly running the stop sign. Cars stop in middle of the street without regard for the others on the road. Please stop the craziness.

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  2. Can someone explain why this shul specifically needs a letter from the rabbis? Is there opposition? What's their side of the story?

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    1. I had the same question you would think its only In neighboring towns that there would be opposition to a shul. You wouldn't expect it in unzere shtut were not even talking about a new shul this is an existing shul over 10 years that is in a basement and has outgrown itself.

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    2. There is a nashim mikva next door.

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    3. There was a din torah with the mikva the peak was the shul can build they agreed on some changes.

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    4. And remember the shul was there before the mikvah and were warned before they built that this will be an issue. They promised not to make any problems.Now they decided the shul has to pay for their lack of planning no parking lot etc. What's the logic? None
      It's called blackmail. Rosh Hamosad
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  3. Westgate is the fastest growing and largest development in lkwd. There is not enough room or seats in the shuls. All of the shuls are bursting at the seams. The olam walks outside Westgate to daven. Hopefully the expansion will alleviate the burden and fathers can have seats for their kids.

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    1. Thats the wrong approach. building shuls in basemnts and adding on to residential units is not the way to alleviate. the builder should be banned from all further construction untill there is ample shul space for all current and future residents, children, and basements.

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    2. "the builder should be banned from all further construction untill...."
      Keep dreaming!!!! Your talking about Lakewood pal. Here the dollar rules. Everything else is sheep. And not just plain sheep, but sheep to roast, eat and enjoy by those that rule.

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  4. Unfortunately the majority of the Westgate tzibur, ...... have been forced to daven in basements. Politics , driven by a fear of loss of power, and justified by bogus claims of L'shaim shamaim, have delayed this project for years.

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  5. Here is a link for the minutes of the mmeeting by the planning board it starts page 24 read pg 27-28
    minutes of the meeting for this shul two years ago
    Its unbelievable the delaying tactics how a entire tzibbur is kept waiting for their shul while it gets dragged on, it has been by the planing board once before and all changes and modifications were done.


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  6. here is plenty of room in fact, it's just that the builder refuses to give over the empty room that is just sitting there, all the while he continues to build and people continue to stand in the hallways (on shabbos) due to lack of seats

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    1. That has nothing to do with this shul. You have a few hundred mishpachos who daven at Kelmwoods and they are packed they deserve a new building. Is it fair that the single girls and ladies can not go to shul because there is no room for an ezras nashim? is it fair that parents cant daven with their children? Is it fais that there is no room and people have to walk far to a shul. Its not a lack of space there is a huge empty lot for the proposed shul hopefully this time around after a long wait the fun unzere wont shter the hearing.

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    2. You would be shocked but a Rosh Mosad actually fought the shul by sending others to do the dirty work for him.

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    3. No Im not shocked and I dont think anyone else is. as you said its a "rosh mosad". Makes total sense and totally fits the profile.

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  7. when fully built there is supposed to be ka'h 900 mishpachos thats over 2500 people davening in shul on average. Thats not including the basements, Jule, Cory, even if ropshitz is full there is still a need for another 2,000 seats!!! why are they shtering especialy after the rabonim signed off.

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    1. Jule & cory are not part of WG

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    2. But since jule and cory are almost all former west gate residents, and they have no shul of their own, they daven in the overcrowded west gate shuls.

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    3. But the mayor of Westgate moved to Jule so it's still considered part of westgate. The mayor works behind the scenes apparently using his connections to reach out to planning members. He also has some jobs in yeshiva.

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  8. Everyone
    Right across west gate is a beautiful minyan
    Rabbi blumenfeld on white rd
    It's a beautiful shul/ yeshiva
    Plenty of room for men and women
    Yeshivas minyan
    Come join us , you'll love not being squished

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    1. I appreciate your invite but I'm happy at my shul with my Rav and mispalelim. If the mafia will let us build it won't be squishy.

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  9. Is it legal to reach out to a board member before a case?

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  10. Jackson, Howell, Toms River residents must be delighted watching this case. When they dont want us we scream anti semitisim but here fun unzereh are trying to stop a shul not a new one but an existing shul from expanding.

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  11. There is a nearby basement shul that causes lots of traffic, school buses have a hard time getting through, but not a single complaint from the mafia because the shul is under their auspices everything is good. Because a askan is well connected. The redifos will happen to anyone who dosent listen to what they say.

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    1. Dont they have a Rav guiding them? do they listen to him? does he have control or does he support what is going on?

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    2. Rabbi Zimbal is a real Tzaddik, and has no opposition to the shul at all. In his own words, "Westgate needs many more shuls, and if you are concerned about traffic, you shouldn't be living in Westgate".

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  12. What is the opposition about. Why doesn't the Oilam fargin Rabbi Helberg. There is a need for another non basement Shul. What is Rabbi Zimbel's position here?

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  13. Come and show your support for rabbi Helberg tomorrow night. He's the most anivosdik person you may ever meet.

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  14. Holy Brothers, all are welcomed to the West Gate Carlbach Minyan on Pressburg we have room for everyone our Kabbolas shabbos is the highest of the high..the deepest of the deep

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    1. I go to Lutzk its chilled with a kiddush after davening

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    2. Reb Shloimeleh

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    3. I thou1ght Reb Shloimele is the Rav on caranetta

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  15. Ive read through the minutes of the meeting about the Mikva who is officially on the board besides greenspan is this Mikva open for all

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    1. Mikvah is open to all, as all Westgate residents were required to pay for it. However, those who pay membership to the ruling class shul, have privileged access to priority appointments. They can reserve the most preferred slots a day earlier than the lower class citizens.

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    2. If that's the case it is not considered a community mikva when there are privileges and perks.More so why are people not told of the option to get early appointments

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    3. " those who pay membership to the ruling class shul, have privileged access to priority appointments" is completely FALSE, rather those who pay a special membership to the MIKVAH enjoy those privileges, It's a way for the mikvah to make more money, it has nothing to do with the shul.

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    4. When I was prompted for membership for Ropchitz NH told me it comes together with upgraded Mikvah membership.

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    5. First, they pitch the mikva privilege when they collect membership so it IS part of the shul membership. Second, the yearly auction had ladies donating large sums of money over the years why we're they not offered this perk. Third, if it's open to all not just wesgate residents than it is not a local community mikva.

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  16. http://www.godaven.com/detail.asp?Id=19270&Name=lakewood

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  17. The intersection at R' Helbergs shul is already congested especially during pickup / drop off times. A new shul there will make it so so much worse, I'm not saying that's a reason to not have the shul, but it deff. should be taken into consideration. Furthemore the Shul is in a very dense residential area (it's now a house), to go and make a bug shul there is not in keeping with the "neighborhood" and will adversely affect the nearby residents, if they want it then great, but if they don't then why are Rosh Yeshivas telling them that they have to agree to it in their backyard?

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    1. It's not a new shul there is already a shul there. That part of WE is fully developed no reason for more people other than the natural growth of the existing families.

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    2. Because we are religious Jews, that means we can not drive to shul on Shabbos, kids come to shul etc. that is why Lakewood Township allows Synagouges to be built in residential neighborhoods.
      And this Shul is for people in this neighborhood. Where exactly should they build it?
      Is the Shul on Ropscitz not on a congested street. Are the shuls in Kingsfield not in a congested area?
      I respect your concern, would be a great idea for you to move to Howell, Jackson or Toms River, you will not have these issues there.

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    3. No residential units on that whole block. They are putting in a parking lot with 45 spaces, which doesn't include parking along the whole length of the unpopulated street. Congestion during pickup and drop off times will actually decrease if we can spread the traffic evenly around Westgate, by building more shuls.

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    4. The shul spend thousands on traffic studies and engineers. The shul is not on the corner but further back.If you really worry about traffic why don't you voice your concern with all other shuls in Westgate. Do you see the traffic at ropshitz and the shopping center? Can you drive through Kingsfield during davening? As Rav zimbal says if you don't like traffic Westgate is not for you. I would add neither is lakewood.

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    5. The entire Westgate is a "dense residential area" maybe there shouldn't be any "big Shul's" in Westgate??? In fact the place where the shul is being built is in the least residential area of Westgate. There are no houses on the entire block and across the street is a park. The nearest houses are around the corner and most of the people on that block daven in this shul and are actively supporting the new building. As one of the people who lives on that block, I find it disingenuos that people who live on the other side of westgate are complaining about "not in keeping with the "neighborhood""and raise traffic concerns,but the people living in close proximity to the shul are working to have it built. There is something really wrong with this picture.

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    6. Well Said. That is the elephant in the room here. Hopefully the board will realize this sham. The planning board is not a place to vent your fury at others for your baseless complaints that are not related to the issue at hand.

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  18. And who gets to use it Shabbos morning?

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    1. Is it even open shabbos morning?

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  19. For board members.

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    1. EW! Sounds like one sick dude.

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    2. Don't judge nobody. If that's how he get his kicks....

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  20. Who made the decision to allow a bus stop for the L-Bus, and the Brooklyn-Lakewood busses at the entrance to the shopping center? Certainly nobody cared about safety then. Buses obstruct the view for any car exiting the plaza, and at night the glare of their headlights are right in your eyes.

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  21. So... What happened at the meeting tonight?

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    1. What meeting? The meeting is tomorrow night Tuesday January 19 approximately 7 pm. Please come out and show your support. Don't allow a few power hungry individuals hold a community hostage. Every shul that is not under the control of the Ropschitz gang has met with fierce opposition. Currently there close to 1000 families living in Westgate. If we estimate an average of 2 boys per family that adds up to 3000 seats. Westgate needs more shuls! If we allow these individuals to control what can or cannot be built the entire Westgate community loses. Please come out and support the ability for each father to be able to take is son(s) to shul.

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  22. Its tomorrow night at 7pm on 4th street

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    1. The hearing is on 3rd Street in the courtroom of the municipal building. The parking lot entrance is on 4th Street

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  23. A strong showing may help but some yechidim have reached out previously to members to do their work for them

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