Sunday, December 6, 2015

Menorah removed from townsquare

Guest post by HH.
Sunday afternoon I received a phone call from a very concerned person who passed by the town square on Clifton Avenue and noticed that our usual small menorah that had always been placed in there opposite the humongous Christmas tree was now missing. I joked that perhaps they have decided to either repair the menorah or replace it with one of an adequate size considering the enormous Jewish population in Lakewood. Imagine my shock when I found out from one of our committee men who was quite upset that the other committee men had told him that they want the Menorah removed because a single person had complained that it is a question of separation of church and state and demanded that the menorah be removed from the town square. I was shocked beyond belief that our town which has allowed Jews for Jesus to convene in the town square on a regular basis using township electricity paid for by taxpayers which is an absolute illegal use and a definite problem when it comes to church and state, was now demanding that a menorah which has a legal precedent from the Supreme Court in 2002 that it is a legitimate symbol of the holidays and it is not a religious object per se and not a problem with the separation of church and state, be removed.
How disgusting that a township committee with our people on it that don't seem to care when they allow irresponsible growth, abuse of public funds, favoritism, nepotism, pay to play politics, and all other sorts of corruption to thrive in Lakewood. Yet when it comes time to defend a symbol of pride that previous generations have died to stand up for, cower and run for the hills. I have never been so ashamed of my Township Committee. And I never, ever want to hear again that they are standing up for torah. They are standing up for money. Plain and simple. Money.

24 comments:

  1. Not that I feel Town Square is an appropriate place for a Menorah. Why is it worse than the White House where s menorah is lit each year? And if a menorah is a violation a X-mas tree should be no different.

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  2. no one cares if there is a menorah there or not. get a life.

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    1. I care is that not good enough? This could be a national story!!

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  3. Listen Mr. TROLLOWITZ, FRIEDMAN. Or whatever you choose to call yourself. I have a life, and it doesn't revolve around me waiting for Harold Herskowitz to put up a post so I can anonymously argue with him. This is not an issue of the importance of a Lakewood Menorah. It's a symbol of how some committee members operate. The same people that Gave into a purely anti Semitic request to have it removed, have no problem openly renting out two illegal basement apartments in their home, visibly for all to see on a main street. A little more Parsumei Nissa and a little less chillul hashem is a good thing. Now back in your cave Igor.

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    1. do you know whar pirsuei nisah is? you can't just make up halacha you know. there is no halachic source anywhere that says putting any menorah downtown is pirsumei nisah, much less an electric one.

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    2. omg relax mr anonymous. y missed the point. this is not about thte menora

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  4. Most Gedoley Torah were of the opinion that we should not have Menorahs on public property in Golus.

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    1. What about having 4 frum committee men is that also like a public menorah. What does daas to rah say about that.

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    2. exactly. daas torah was just as against that. again, this post is not about the menorah, its about how the township committee is ran

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  5. Why not remove all the trees if it's a separation of church and state.

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  6. Herschel,
    Enough kvetching already. People are getting bored of it; by now you should be embarrassed already.
    And no, I'm NOT signing my name. My family doesn't have to suffer because of my principles.

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    1. Who's bored of it? I see Harold as a concerned citizen representing a large percentage of the town and frum community. He is debateably representing a majority of the town. Keep your negativity out of this . Thanks

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    2. Your not bored, you're jealous. You can take a hike. We're not bored or jealous of HH. We love him.

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  7. How disgusting that a township citizen, one of our people, cares only about irresponsible growth, unproven abuse of public funds, unproven favoritism, unproven nepotism, unproven pay to play politics, and all other unproven sorts of corruption in Lakewood. Yet when it comes time to realize we are still in galus he chooses to make a huge chilul hashem putting yidden in danger, ignoring daas torah of today and of previous generations all to defend a symbol that has absolutely nothing to do with our community. This is a classic example of daas balaboos hepech daas torah. Its time he opens a gemara and learn some history of what happens when yiden are misgueh ba'umaos.

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    1. Please keep daas torah out of the conversation your not more convincing by hiding behind those magic words. Stop spining the issue, spin the dreidel instead. The silent majority and yes Rabbonim are with hershel and others. the point here is not about a menorah in public display especially it was always here and placed by the local government not any Jewish org.

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    2. open up your eyes and stop drinking the koolaid try driving through this town and read the zoning board minutes. Variances are being granted left and right even though neighboring landowners oppose, WHY?? for what purpose and to the same people again and again. At best we have elected a bunch of incompetent people at worse .... I will leave that to your imagination.

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    3. Believe me, I totally understand you. Why would you or HH care about daas torah now if you never did.
      And please name one Rav who with him. He doesn't even have a silent minority let alone a silent majority

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  8. Herschel we love you keep up the good work !!!

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  9. I just drove by town square and I see that there is a menorah in front of Townsquare

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  10. No one cares about the menorah Hershel. To be honest no one cares about the downtown that ur so obsessed with.
    Get a life or find something people care about to kvetch about.

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    1. Anyone with half a brain knows that the township either just breaks even or loses money on residential properties and the only way to keep out tax bill in check is via commercial properties aka downtown ect so we should all be caring about the downtown

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    2. They make a lot more money from the industrial park. The land used their for residential properties and schools far exceeds the taxes of the entire downtown.

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  11. And I find it absolutely hilarious that when it comes to a menorah in town square a person can say that we shouldn't be making a scene about it yet when it comes to putting up 100 apartments on route 9 and causing an eyesore and a traffic problem for all surrounding areas we say hey it's our town we can do what we want? stop the stupidity.

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  12. Out of 20 comments. Half from the same troll telling others to get a life. Mr..... you are the only person who cares to fight against anything I say or do. The removal of the menorah was a despicable act. And the attitude of our frum committee members excluding the mayor of course, was inexcusable. They keep quiet because they are simply afraid that their corruption will be brought up if they speak out. We don't need representatives like these. And the only reason you care is because you don't want your complicity with their corruption revealed as well. Now you can continue to put up 10 more posts pretend that you're different people and not Mr.

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