Monday, December 7, 2015

Menorah lit in Town square

A Menorah has been lit at the town square.

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  1. Shame on those that invested their Kochos in this... focus on the reak issues facjng us

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  2. Funny I drove, by the car is a Toys for Thought car Hershel must be going lubab..

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  3. We are still working on getting a 12 foot tall Menorah in town square. If not this year. Next year there will be a 12 foot tall Menorah in town square and another by the lake. Thank you to the lady that has no idea about what constitutional law is. A menorah is no more a religious symbol than a tree. Thank you for bringing awareness to how badly decorated our town was in regards to reflecting who the main community is. We will also be getting mogen Davids on every other street lamp. Donated of course. Thank you again.

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  4. You are wrong. A menorah serves no purpose other than doing the mitzvoh of lighting as decreed by chazal. That is a religious article. This is what bnei Torah believe. We have no,need to be part of the spirit of the season. There is nothing in their religion lehavdil about trees.

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    1. No. I am sorry but you are wrong. A menorah has no Kedusha as a cheftza shell mitzva. The wicks, the left over oil and the cup that holds the oil does. A menorah can be made out of bottle caps, nuts and bolts or pipes. It has absolutely no holiness whatsoever. Please Don't pasken shailos. A menorah as it is shown publicly is simply a historical symbol. Less religious in form than a xhristmas tree. If you insist I will look up all the different Mareh mekoimos for you to study.. I can assure you. If you are desperate for extra cash,you can melt down your silver menorah to sell for scrap metal. Just make sure you don't throw the wicks and cups directly into the garbage.

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    2. Yes Harold I insist. Find me the marah mekoimas for A menorah as it is shown publicly is simply a historical symbol

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    3. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-11-30/news/0211300206_1_fountain-square-supreme-court-menorah

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    4. http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/18954/supreme-court-rules-on-public-chanukiot/

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    5. So there you have it. A Menorah is not an actual holy object like a sefer torah or siddur. It has been held up in the Supreme Court that it is not only ok to have a menorah but preferable to only having a tree on display, since that looks like the town is promoting one religion over another. Yet Meir Lichtenstein and Menashe Miller refuse to put back the Menorah. But Menashe and Meir have no problem allowing illegal buildings to cause a hefsed to local businesses, in the name of Torah. No problem causing massive chillul hashem giving builders zoning changes, subdivide g lots, causing our taxes to go up in the name of profit for themselves and their bosses. Menashe and Meir answer to the builders that are their bosses. They don't answer to God. And I just wish everyone would stop pretending that they do. I didn't have time to go get a 9ngoot tall Menorah on such short notice. But I can assure you next year there will be a 14 foot tall Menorah being lit in town square. I might even let menashe and meir light the shamas

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    6. I don't see any Torah Mareh Mokomos in either article. The supreme court does not have the ability to reduce a menorah to a historical symbol.

      Yes I know a menorah has no inherit kedusah but to refer to it as a historic rather then a religious symbol sound like Haskalah or worse.

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  5. Any yungerman in yeshivah woyld say that a menorah is a cheftza to di a mitzva in. A mitzva is religion. Its not just a symbol. Would you put up a mezuza case in Town Hall? Would you put up an esrog pushka ? Would you put upan Oron Kodesh or Talus Beitel ? Most people would say thide are teligioys articles even though technically the mitzva is done with something else. Exactly like a menorah.

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    1. Again you miss the point and obviously your not such a lamdan if you cant differentiate the nekudos here. The case at hand is not if a menorah is a religious cheftza shel mitzva or not. the issue is the wimpiness of our committee men who are scared to state the obvious because they are scared of their own shadow. The Township placed the menorah there not the residents or frum anyone their intent is to add what they feel to the holidays season as is donr across the country. The supreme court ruled on it and there is no violation of church and state.

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  6. You are making no sense. A menora is a religious article regardless of what some freye yiden convinced the Supreme court. We bnei Torah have no need for it.

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    1. "We bnei torah" please don't include us in your Web trolling perhaps go back to the BM you need to sharpen yourself up your just not chapping the sugya here.If you find someone on the Darga of Rav preidah maybe you'll get it after 400 times

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    2. It wasn't a 'frie yid' who argued that case by the supreme court. It was the reisha rav'son, qho is shomer shabbat, has smicha, often represents 'agudah, and several rebbes.

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  7. Are you willing to state under oath to a Judge that a menorah is not a religious object ? You have no answer so you use fancy words like trolling and sharp,language that we dont chap the sugya. But bottom,line if you testified that a menorah is not a religious object ,you would be lying. Just as if you said a mezuza case ir talis beitel is not a religious object. You will still not answer to the facts but will call me names and use sharfe words.

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    1. A menorah is not a religious object like a mezuzah or talis etc... it's a religious symbol. Is there kedusha on a menorah? Or is it used as an object to accomplish a mitzvah? The same is for an esrog box or lulav holder.

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    2. Correct and religious symbols are not permitted on public property

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  8. Anon, for starters you have made a delicious cholent of tashmishei kedusha, tashmishei mitzvah and you even threw in a tashmish d'tashmish d'kedusha and a tashmish d'tashmish d'mitzvah. I suggest clarifying those various catagories as each one is dealt with differently in halacha. Once you have that klur, I would love to hear your chaburah regarding what a menorah actually is.

    BTW, that is all beside the point that for purposes of constitutional law SCOTUS has long held that a menorah is NOT a religous symbol and as such can be displayed in public areas.

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